Royal watchers - Kate in a tiara (now with pics)

[winecat]

Oct 20, 2015 14:52:02 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Oct 20, 2015 14:45:58 GMT -5 genet313 said:

How will she get this? 

Whenever the Queen decides to give it to her. It's a personal gift at the monarch's discretion. 

The Duchess of York (aka Fergie) never received one. Princess Diana had one within a few years of her marriage, although this may have been a "token" gift since Diana was then the Princess of Wales and the future queen consort. 

Queen Elizabeth is notoriously stingy with these gifts. Although someone on my Twitter feed pointed out that the ladies in the family who have them (the queen's daughter, cousin, most of the wives of her male cousins, and her two current daughters-in-law) are all full-time working royals, whereas Kate and William are still considered part-time royals. 

Also, it's worth noting that the queen's blood granddaughters probably don't have the Royal Family Order (since only two of the four are royal and they aren't working royals in the first place), so I wonder if she thinks it's not right that a granddaughter-in-law would get it but a blood granddaughter would not. 

Kate will likely get one from Charles once he becomes king, and will definitely get one from William and (assuming she outlives William) from Prince George. 

This might be a super simple question, but how can blood related grandchildren not be "royals"?

[MrsDarcy]

I love read this stuff. Thanks for sharing!

[mbcdefg]

Oct 21, 2015 0:52:41 GMT -5 winecat said:

Oct 20, 2015 14:52:02 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Whenever the Queen decides to give it to her. It's a personal gift at the monarch's discretion. 

The Duchess of York (aka Fergie) never received one. Princess Diana had one within a few years of her marriage, although this may have been a "token" gift since Diana was then the Princess of Wales and the future queen consort. 

Queen Elizabeth is notoriously stingy with these gifts. Although someone on my Twitter feed pointed out that the ladies in the family who have them (the queen's daughter, cousin, most of the wives of her male cousins, and her two current daughters-in-law) are all full-time working royals, whereas Kate and William are still considered part-time royals. 

Also, it's worth noting that the queen's blood granddaughters probably don't have the Royal Family Order (since only two of the four are royal and they aren't working royals in the first place), so I wonder if she thinks it's not right that a granddaughter-in-law would get it but a blood granddaughter would not. 

Kate will likely get one from Charles once he becomes king, and will definitely get one from William and (assuming she outlives William) from Prince George. 

This might be a super simple question, but how can blood related grandchildren not be "royals"?

Royals are the monarch's children, and the male-line grandchildren (her sons' kids). So Princess Anne's two kids aren't Royal. But of course they are members of the family just the same, and participate in some of the big events.  

The Queen's son Prince Edward is an exception because he specifically asked that his two kids not get the prince/princess title, to relieve some stress on them. So they are known as Lady Louise (one of Kate's bridesmaids) and James, Viscount Severn.

This goes back to the Letters Patent of 1917, designed to slim down the royal family and also distance themselves from extended German relatives during WWI.

ETA: And, technically, Charlotte shouldn't be a Princess, because the Letters Patent specify that the "His/Her Royal Highness Prince(ss) XXX" style and title only goes to the monarch's children, male-line grandchildren, and the "eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales" (which is George). But after William and Kate got married, QEII issued new Letters Patent that says that all of William's children, not just the firstborn son, will be known as "His/Her Royal Highness Prince(ss) XXX."

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Wow this thread is so interesting! I wish I knew all this or thought to research it before we saw The Crown Jewels on our London trip two years ago...

[mbcdefg]

Oct 21, 2015 7:06:42 GMT -5 ladybug said:

Wow this thread is so interesting! I wish I knew all this or thought to research it before we saw The Crown Jewels on our London trip two years ago...

Me too! I was in London in 2010 but I wasn't into all this stuff back then. 

Probably just as well, because I would've been running around the city like this the entire time:

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mbcdefg I totally fell down the rabbit hole of reading the Sartorial blog last night, waaaaay later than I should have stayed up. Fascinating! :::yawn::: coffee...

[mbcdefg]

Oct 21, 2015 7:47:24 GMT -5 @idaholakelady said:

mbcdefg I totally fell down the rabbit hole of reading the Sartorial blog last night, waaaaay later than I should have stayed up. Fascinating! :::yawn::: coffee...

I love the royals stuff, because even in other countries everything always connects back to each other if you go back far enough. Family lines, jewels, etc. 

[MNH2013]

I love this thread! I have a thing for Russian jewels. The museum in town had a Faberge exhibit and I was so excited I went by myself to view all the pretty things!

[mbcdefg]

Here's what Kate is doing today. 



Yeah. 

[dancingirl21]

This is so interesting - thanks for sharing your knowledge, all!

I have to say, I'm loving Kate in all the lace she is wearing lately.

[winecat]

mbcdefg- thank you! Very interesting!

[teengirlsquad]

I'm late to the party, but I LOVE Kate's look from the banquet! She looked amazing. And I really love her dress for today - what a beautiful color!
And the Queen's sapphire tiara!! Be still my heart.

[aurora]

I pretty much only pay attention to the royals when mbcdefg posts threads like this, but I love reading them. Thanks!

[mbcdefg]

And they met Jackie Chan, too:




dancingirl21, the dress is by Dolce & Gabbana. Popular with other royal ladies, apparently:

[drloretta]

That dress is apparently $3500. I can't imagine...

[mbcdefg]

Oct 21, 2015 13:58:37 GMT -5 @domerjen said:

I'm glad that I can't afford stuff that Kate wears. She always wins "who wore it best". At least I don't have to go head to head. LOL

Check out this Twitter account! They identify what clothes and jewelry Kate wears, and then they suggest lookalike pieces that are much more affordable for us common folk: twitter.com/katesclosetau 

www.katescloset.com.au/shop-kates-style.html

I'm glad this thread is still going ... I'm in the crankiest mood right now and chatting about royals makes me feel better Anyone else have questions I can answer, so that my head doesn't explode? 

[callalily]

Oct 21, 2015 14:11:08 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Oct 21, 2015 13:58:37 GMT -5 @domerjen said:

I'm glad that I can't afford stuff that Kate wears. She always wins "who wore it best". At least I don't have to go head to head. LOL

Check out this Twitter account! They identify what clothes and jewelry Kate wears, and then they suggest lookalike pieces that are much more affordable for us common folk: twitter.com/katesclosetau 

www.katescloset.com.au/shop-kates-style.html

I'm glad this thread is still going ... I'm in the crankiest mood right now and chatting about royals makes me feel better Anyone else have questions I can answer, so that my head doesn't explode? 

I am absolutely fascinated by all of this (jewels, orders etc) do you have any book/blog recommendations for a beginner? I'd love to learn about it. 

[Deleted]

mbcdefg It seems like a good number of royal tiaras have gone into private hands. For the privately held tiaras, is there a protocol for when they can be worn to an event?

Is there a similar history for the crowns worn by males? For example, where did the Russian royal crown go after the czar was assassinated?

[mbcdefg]

Oct 21, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5 callalily said:

Oct 21, 2015 14:11:08 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Check out this Twitter account! They identify what clothes and jewelry Kate wears, and then they suggest lookalike pieces that are much more affordable for us common folk: twitter.com/katesclosetau 

www.katescloset.com.au/shop-kates-style.html

I'm glad this thread is still going ... I'm in the crankiest mood right now and chatting about royals makes me feel better Anyone else have questions I can answer, so that my head doesn't explode? 

I am absolutely fascinated by all of this (jewels, orders etc) do you have any book/blog recommendations for a beginner? I'd love to learn about it. 

A lot of it, for me, has come from falling into the Wikipedia black hole, lol.

I mainly got into it after coming across this blog a little while after Kate and William's wedding: orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/ 

The blogger has a spinoff site dedicated to jewelry worn by the Queen, Camilla, and occasionally Kate: queensjewelvault.blogspot.com/ 

This one is good, too: www.thecourtjeweller.com/ 

I just lurk here but it's a good resource: www.theroyalforums.com/forums/ 

Kate's fashion: whatkatewore.com/ 

Knockoff Kate fashion: www.katescloset.com.au/ 

Hats! royalhats.wordpress.com/ 

Twitter accounts: 
twitter.com/BritishMonarchy 
twitter.com/Royal_talk
twitter.com/RoyalReporter 


Books I've read:
www.amazon.com/Illustrated-History-British-Monarchy-Histories/dp/0192893289 

www.amazon.com/gp/product/031256497X?keywords=the%20last%20princess%20the%20devoted%20life%20of%20queen%20victoria%27s%20youngest%20daughter&qid=1445455300&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1 

www.amazon.com/Elizabeth-Mary-Cousins-Rivals-Queens/dp/0375708200/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445455312&sr=8-1&keywords=elizabeth+and+mary+cousins+rivals+queens

www.amazon.com/Royal-Affairs-Through-Extramarital-Adventures-ebook/dp/B001AY2IJ6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1445455326&sr=8-4&keywords=royal+affairs 

Books I own but haven't got around to reading yet: 
www.amazon.com/Mrs-Queen-Takes-Train-Novel/dp/0062208292/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445455342&sr=8-1&keywords=mrs+queen+takes+the+train 

www.amazon.com/Royal-We-Heather-Cocks/dp/1455557102/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445455362&sr=8-1&keywords=the+royal+we 


DVDs I have: 
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007TBJD1K?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AZIRVI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 

YouTube videos I like:
Brief history of the British royals from William the Conqueror to present: youtu.be/jNgP6d9HraI?list=FLPy3GjZdZlif9PANd9hQKyg 

Explanation of how one becomes the British monarch: youtu.be/BUY6HGqYweQ?list=FLPy3GjZdZlif9PANd9hQKyg 

Part of a series (Windsor Castle: A Royal Year), where the palace staff prepares for a visit from the president of France. They explain the traditions, prepping the rooms, the history behind some of the china and furniture, and other behind-the-scenes stuff: www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_Y0LhC8JQ&index=107&list=FLPy3GjZdZlif9PANd9hQKyg 

[callalily]

Thank you SO SO SO much mbcdefg!! I'm so excited to read. LOL.

[mbcdefg]

Oct 21, 2015 14:27:57 GMT -5 @idaholakelady said:

mbcdefg It seems like a good number of royal tiaras have gone into private hands. For the privately held tiaras, is there a protocol for when they can be worn to an event?

Is there a similar history for the crowns worn by males? For example, where did the Russian royal crown go after the czar was assassinated?

I think tiaras are generally worn to white-tie evening events, meaning that ladies are in evening gowns and men are in tuxes with white tie and people wear whatever orders they have. You don't have to be royal to wear one - there were non-royal ladies at last night's state banquet wearing tiaras. 

I've also read that only married women are supposed to wear tiaras ... but that may be outdated or only followed by some countries. In Sweden, for example, the current young princesses (Crown Princess Victoria and Princess Madeleine) started wearing tiaras once they turned 18, and the unmarried Madeleine wore a tiara to Victoria's wedding. Also, Victoria and Madeleine and their brother were all married in the afternoon but their guests wore tiaras and orders - meanwhile William and Kate's male wedding guests were in morning dress or military uniforms and the ladies were in day dresses with hats.

So it's probably up to the people organizing the event. Here's a good rundown: orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2011/10/royal-splendor-101-tiara-rules.html 

A lot of the Russian royal jewels have been lost forever. Some were recovered by the government. Queen Mary of the UK purchased a few things, too. www.npr.org/2012/12/30/168219426/the-mysterious-disappearance-of-the-russian-crown-jewels 

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Aaaaand I just lost another hour of my day to reading about tiaras! Yeesh!

[hski2349]

All the royal orders and how to wear what is fascinating me.

[lilibet]

Going back to last night, I read that Kate's place at the table was a sign of respect (I guess that's what you'd call it) from the queen. Something about her being seated as the next ranking royal woman after the queen. Kind of cool and does make up for no order, although that makes so much more sense after it was pointed out not all the royal princesses have one.

I also adore Kate's dress today and love that William's tie coordinates. I also read they think Kate's office may have coordinated with the first lady of China's office as they coordinated a bit too.

And I totally recommend Mrs. Queen takes the train and the Royal We.

[mbcdefg]

Oct 21, 2015 19:19:29 GMT -5 lilibet said:

Going back to last night, I read that Kate's place at the table was a sign of respect (I guess that's what you'd call it) from the queen. Something about her being seated as the next ranking royal woman after the queen. Kind of cool and does make up for no order, although that makes so much more sense after it was pointed out not all the royal princesses have one.

I also adore Kate's dress today and love that William's tie coordinates. I also read they think Kate's office may have coordinated with the first lady of China's office as they coordinated a bit too.

And I totally recommend Mrs. Queen takes the train and the Royal We.

I wonder if this is why Charles skipped the banquet? Royals are seated according to their rank, and Charles ranks higher than William so Camilla would've been the highest-ranking lady besides the queen and therefore would've sat where Kate wound up sitting. Maybe Charles and Camilla didn't attend the banquet in order to let the Cambridges have the spotlight? (Makes sense, since Prince William had been the one who invited the President of China to visit.)

Glad to hear you enjoyed the books ... I'm wondering which one to start first! 

[genet313]

Oct 21, 2015 14:11:08 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Oct 21, 2015 13:58:37 GMT -5 @domerjen said:

I'm glad that I can't afford stuff that Kate wears. She always wins "who wore it best". At least I don't have to go head to head. LOL

Check out this Twitter account! They identify what clothes and jewelry Kate wears, and then they suggest lookalike pieces that are much more affordable for us common folk: twitter.com/katesclosetau 

www.katescloset.com.au/shop-kates-style.html

I'm glad this thread is still going ... I'm in the crankiest mood right now and chatting about royals makes me feel better Anyone else have questions I can answer, so that my head doesn't explode? 

You could also read what kate wore, which tells you retail price of clothes AND where to buy them yourself if you're so inclined.  


whatkatewore.com/

[jerseyjaybird]

Oct 22, 2015 7:34:59 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Oct 21, 2015 19:19:29 GMT -5 lilibet said:

Going back to last night, I read that Kate's place at the table was a sign of respect (I guess that's what you'd call it) from the queen. Something about her being seated as the next ranking royal woman after the queen. Kind of cool and does make up for no order, although that makes so much more sense after it was pointed out not all the royal princesses have one.

I also adore Kate's dress today and love that William's tie coordinates. I also read they think Kate's office may have coordinated with the first lady of China's office as they coordinated a bit too.

And I totally recommend Mrs. Queen takes the train and the Royal We.

I wonder if this is why Charles skipped the banquet? Royals are seated according to their rank, and Charles ranks higher than William so Camilla would've been the highest-ranking lady besides the queen and therefore would've sat where Kate wound up sitting. Maybe Charles and Camilla didn't attend the banquet in order to let the Cambridges have the spotlight? (Makes sense, since Prince William had been the one who invited the President of China to visit.)

Glad to hear you enjoyed the books ... I'm wondering which one to start first! 

Charles is a big supporter of HH the Dalai Lama, so there's some speculation that that's the reason (not "fatigue") that he skipped the banquet (while participating in the visit in other ways).

Kate's seating was a matter of protocol (with William attending, she was the highest-ranking royal woman after the queen . . . if William hadn't attended, that seat would have gone to the Princess Royal), but I think that the Queen's loan to Kate of personal jewelry that she wears regularly is a big sign of respect and affection.

[lilibet]

Oct 22, 2015 7:34:59 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Oct 21, 2015 19:19:29 GMT -5 lilibet said:

Going back to last night, I read that Kate's place at the table was a sign of respect (I guess that's what you'd call it) from the queen. Something about her being seated as the next ranking royal woman after the queen. Kind of cool and does make up for no order, although that makes so much more sense after it was pointed out not all the royal princesses have one.

I also adore Kate's dress today and love that William's tie coordinates. I also read they think Kate's office may have coordinated with the first lady of China's office as they coordinated a bit too.

And I totally recommend Mrs. Queen takes the train and the Royal We.

I wonder if this is why Charles skipped the banquet? Royals are seated according to their rank, and Charles ranks higher than William so Camilla would've been the highest-ranking lady besides the queen and therefore would've sat where Kate wound up sitting. Maybe Charles and Camilla didn't attend the banquet in order to let the Cambridges have the spotlight? (Makes sense, since Prince William had been the one who invited the President of China to visit.)

Glad to hear you enjoyed the books ... I'm wondering which one to start first! 

I bet it is, or at least a large part of why Charles didn't go. It would make sense, especially with everything William's been doing with the China visit, his conservation talks, etc.

I vote Mrs Queen Take the Train. I think you'll really like that one. Royal We is good but Queen is more of a look into already royal life.

[aurora]

Oct 21, 2015 14:11:08 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Oct 21, 2015 13:58:37 GMT -5 @domerjen said:

I'm glad that I can't afford stuff that Kate wears. She always wins "who wore it best". At least I don't have to go head to head. LOL

Check out this Twitter account! They identify what clothes and jewelry Kate wears, and then they suggest lookalike pieces that are much more affordable for us common folk: twitter.com/katesclosetau 

www.katescloset.com.au/shop-kates-style.html

I'm glad this thread is still going ... I'm in the crankiest mood right now and chatting about royals makes me feel better Anyone else have questions I can answer, so that my head doesn't explode? 

It's probably for the best that I didn't know about katescloset when I was shopping for a dress for weddings I attended this month. I just...wouldn't have compared to her glamour.

[mbcdefg]

Will and Kate have engagements in Scotland today.

"LOOK AT HOW G.D. MAJESTIC WE ARE."