I just want to say my husband used to watch Vikings and there were a lot of folks with braided hair. Obviously this means the Vikings own this trend, and I won't accept any other sources.*
*ha!!! But seriously I always feel like AW's arguments are about as logical and well sourced as the above and she's always so sure of her "facts" too. She rejects everything but her own sources. It's frustrating but hysterical to me.
This thread has gotten so weird. Of course people across cultures have braided, twisted, pinned, and fastened their hair in both practical and elaborate fashions since the dawn of time. But it's odd to suggest certain styles didn't originate in one place or another.
No one "owns" braids but to pretend as if there isn't a current trend of fetishizing and admiring traditionally black styles and physical attributes but only when worn or seen on white women is akin to pretending you've been living under a rock. Which is just silly because we all know there ain't no internet under a rock!
All I have to add to this conversation is that I always coveted the beautiful beads and braids my friends had in elementary school. I wanted to have my hair done like that so so badly, and remember begging my mama to let me get my hair done in corn rows. It would probably have looked awful and lasted all of a week in my hair, but 6 year old omgzombies did not care. I wanted the braids, and the beads (oh the beads)!!! So I will always have a soft spot for them and think they look beautiful, even if I can't pull them off.
She was recently accused of accepting the murder and abuse of children in the name of homeschooling, but this is what's GBCN-worthy??
I guess it's like my grandmother would say sometimes, "Her soul was just weary," lol. I've seen her engaged in some epic battles. Most back and forths usually lose my interest around page 5 or so, but I've seen her going for the long haul. Who would have thought that a 3 page cornrow thread would have been her undoing? *pours some braid oil out for the homeschoolers who aren't here*. So, I guess everyone who bet on me is living pretty good right now. TKO!
I just want to say my husband used to watch Vikings and there were a lot of folks with braided hair. Obviously this means the Vikings own this trend, and I won't accept any other sources.*
*ha!!! But seriously I always feel like AW's arguments are about as logical and well sourced as the above and she's always so sure of her "facts" too. She rejects everything but her own sources. It's frustrating but hysterical to me.
All the people who are on Vikings are beautiful. The end.
Didn't she deactivate because someone said " Jesus Christ"? So this doesn't surprise me. I will say, you guys were killing it in this thread. Did we ever establish when the Greeks and Romans invented cornrows cause if this was during Ottoman times, imme be salty!!!
Oh, come on guys, I'm sure she only deactivated so she could run to the library to educate herself on the history of hair braiding. You know she has a thirst for knowledge.
Didn't she deactivate because someone said " Jesus Christ"? So this doesn't surprise me. I will say, you guys were killing it in this thread. Did we ever establish when the Greeks and Romans invented cornrows cause if this was during Ottoman times, imme be salty!!!
It was in the bible and you know only Europeans were in the bible.
Using a bible as an factual source while decrying government education is ....interesting.
But some of Turkey is in Europe but yeah they are Muslims so.......
Post by imobviouslystaying on Nov 4, 2015 19:39:27 GMT -5
IF Greeks and Romans were wearing cornrows, who bets good money they learned how to do it while they were taking over Egypt and putting some white folks on the Egyptian throne?
And since it wasn't stated clearly and you know that ding ding is still lurking, let's be Obama clear. Cornrows are braids but most braids and not cornrows. I'm sure Celts, Goths, Vedics, Rus, Tatars, Incas, and such were all wearing braids. Every last damned one of them. But cornrows have African roots.
IF Greeks and Romans were wearing cornrows, who bets good money they learned how to do it while they were taking over Egypt and putting some white folks on the Egyptian throne?
And since it wasn't stated clearly and you know that ding ding is still lurking, let's be Obama clear. Cornrows are braids but most braids and not cornrows. I'm sure Celts, Goths, Vedics, Rus, Tatars, Incas, and such were all wearing braids. Every last damned one of them. But cornrows have African roots.
Oh, come on guys, I'm sure she only deactivated so she could run to the library to educate herself on the history of hair braiding. You know she has a thirst for knowledge.
A government library probably would sell her lies so I doubt it.
I'm sure she will be back when she feels the need to climb up on the cross again.
It helps not that as a member of the black Baptist church choir all I hear now is the song "He would not come down from the cross." Imma post the song when I get home.
]At the same time, I wouldn't think corn rows for me would be professional. I am trying to think of professional Black women who wear corn rows at my office and cannot say that I have seen it. I have only seen service employees in corn rows at work. More and more Black women are going natural and that is completely acceptable. And then there are the majority who either flat iron, straighten or wear wigs. But I haven't seen the corn rows and it would be interesting to see whether it would be questioned or not, and how my peers would want to handle it. Note - our organization is 67% non-white and 75% female.
But the point that you don't see them being worn outside of the "service employees" really goes to the point that NitaX made earlier in the thread. It may be worth considering not just that the look is considered unprofessional, but why? What is inherently unprofessional about neatly braided hair? Why is a bun or a ponytail acceptable but not cornrows?
No, I actually do see that. That is why I said it would be interesting to see whether it was questioned or not. People were afraid to go natural about 10 years ago in the same company but many are wearing their hair naturally now with no issue.
But I like that NitaX came back with her picture because I have to correct myself, there are a couple of nursing directors with small corn rows like that styled into a low pony or bun and it's considered appropriate and professional. It is the chunkier corn rows like this that I don't see exempt-level and management employees wearing:
This is common (but large dangling earrings are expressly forbidden from our dress code)
This style, yes very acceptable
I like this discussion and appreciate the push back because we are going to update our dress code and I want to be more inclusive about various hair styles even in our uber conservative environment. Our dress code shows pictures of what is acceptable and what is not. Corn rows are not addressed in written form or photos. I don't intend to put it in written form but including photos that go beyond the traditional flat ironed and straightened hair for everyone would be a good change.
Additional consideration: We may also not have many people in leadership with corn rows or braids in general because the women keep their hair shorter after about age 40.
IF Greeks and Romans were wearing cornrows, who bets good money they learned how to do it while they were taking over Egypt and putting some white folks on the Egyptian throne?
And since it wasn't stated clearly and you know that ding ding is still lurking, let's be Obama clear. Cornrows are braids but most braids and not cornrows. I'm sure Celts, Goths, Vedics, Rus, Tatars, Incas, and such were all wearing braids. Every last damned one of them. But cornrows have African roots.
Stop with your government-school Wikipedia entries!!
Well I learned about the Hellenistic Period from my nifty ass Western Civilization homeschool book. SO THERE! But my hair won't gross past my shoulders so . . .
But the point that you don't see them being worn outside of the "service employees" really goes to the point that NitaX made earlier in the thread. It may be worth considering not just that the look is considered unprofessional, but why? What is inherently unprofessional about neatly braided hair? Why is a bun or a ponytail acceptable but not cornrows?
This is what I can't understand. Braids look tidy and keep hair off the face. The only reason cornrows seem to be seen as "unprofessional" is because black women wear them.
I braid my own hair, usually in two pigtail braids, or one loose side braid, and I have never in my life been told that I looked unprofessional or untidy or anything of the sort. But I'm white, so it's "okay" or whatever. Fucking ridiculous because there's no other difference, none.
FWIW at my company two pigtail braids would not be considered professional.
If it were, I'd be wearing double french braids all summer.
This hair is almost as thick as mine and looks to be of a similar texture.