When it's time to say goodbye.

[underwaterrhymes]

Jan 31, 2016 8:58:08 GMT -5 @natariru said:

Jan 31, 2016 8:33:02 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

toledo and Lucy Honeychurch have both been vocal opponents to racism. If their posts are disappearing, I'm guessing a mod deleted for them.

I would be absolutely shocked if either had any role in (or, for that matter, knowledge of) sending offensive materials in the mail to Smo.

I'm not saying they are racists or sent the package to Smo. BUT, they were vocally supportive of booby in those threads and have definitely engaged in different pile ons that booby started. So to me, deleting posts looks like trying to wipe away the "it's just booby being booby" chorus.

I absolutely get that. And I think there are undoubtedly people who are embarrassed by their support and want to erase that from their post history. I also think that even though this was a racially-motivated attack, it's not the first time that board life has crossed over to real life in gross and scary ways and, recognizing that, people may be deleting.

I've been outspoken about racism and microagressions, both in that thread and in others, but I didn't want anyone misconstruing these two posters' particular deletions as indications of guilt.

[mx27]

Jan 31, 2016 9:12:02 GMT -5 y4m said:

If people are continuing to find ways to delete it will be captured in our log.

can you elaborate? Does your log have copies of everything everyone has ever posted?

[ohiowan]

Jan 31, 2016 9:12:02 GMT -5 y4m said:

If people are continuing to find ways to delete it will be captured in our log.

I don't usually post on cep, and I haven't posted much in general lately, but I went to my oldest post and chose delete. It only asks you to type in the word "delete" and it's gone.

[Bernadine]

Jan 31, 2016 9:12:02 GMT -5 y4m said:

If people are continuing to find ways to delete it will be captured in our log.

Then why try to disable deletions anyway? Just curious. I would imagine everything we post on this site is captured...somewhere, even after deletion.

[heyjude]

Jan 31, 2016 9:21:33 GMT -5 tators said:

Jan 31, 2016 9:17:50 GMT -5 @cranapple said:

I'm so sorry. I had my own experience IRL and it is nothing more than a bully playing games. Stand up for yourself. Don't be emotionally manipulated into a person allowing someone else who wants to scare you.

I am sending you lots of hugs.

umm. Wtf.

Seriously.

:/

[atlas]

Smo, I'm so sorry these people are vile cunts and did this to you. Crossing over into real life is just plain creepy and violating

Toledo deleted her posts a while ago. I read the big threads on Friday and her posts were already gone.

[y4m]

I'm sure you guys can appreciate that right this second is not the time to talk about what we log and where and how in specifics.

[gpw]

Jan 31, 2016 8:58:08 GMT -5 @natariru said:

Jan 31, 2016 8:33:02 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

toledo and Lucy Honeychurch have both been vocal opponents to racism. If their posts are disappearing, I'm guessing a mod deleted for them.

I would be absolutely shocked if either had any role in (or, for that matter, knowledge of) sending offensive materials in the mail to Smo.

I'm not saying they are racists or sent the package to Smo. BUT, they were vocally supportive of booby in those threads and have definitely engaged in different pile ons that booby started. So to me, deleting posts looks like trying to wipe away the "it's just booby being booby" chorus.

This and in the GFM thread with SM.  It's alright, though.  People see you.  And sure, they can delete what is shown on the board, but it's all still there for the administrators, I expect.  Nothing dies.  

[gpw]

Jan 31, 2016 9:12:02 GMT -5 y4m said:

If people are continuing to find ways to delete it will be captured in our log.

There aren't enough like buttons for this post. 

[bronxgirl]

Jan 31, 2016 9:17:50 GMT -5 @cranapple said:

I'm so sorry. I had my own experience IRL and it is nothing more than a bully playing games. Stand up for yourself. Don't be emotionally manipulated into a person allowing someone else who wants to scare you.

I am sending you lots of hugs.

NO. Did you not read anything in this thread?

[NewOrleans]

@gpw I just read the thing on squirrellymom. That was some of the cruelest shit that ever did take place here.

And I'm not just talking about booby. Elsa was especially extra in there. Shame on you. Shame on so many of you.

[bugandbibs]

Jan 31, 2016 9:50:50 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

@gpw I just read the thing on squirrellymom. That was some of the cruelest shit that ever did take place here.

And I'm not just talking about booby. Elsa was especially extra in there. Shame on you. Shame on so many of you.

Elsa has shown her ass many times. She is already on the spreadsheet.

[gpw]

Jan 31, 2016 9:17:50 GMT -5 @cranapple said:

I'm so sorry. I had my own experience IRL and it is nothing more than a bully playing games. Stand up for yourself. Don't be emotionally manipulated into a person allowing someone else who wants to scare you.

I am sending you lots of hugs.

No.  You need to evaluate the situation a little more closely if you think this is just a bully playing games.  Catch up. 

[NewOrleans]

Jan 31, 2016 9:17:50 GMT -5 @cranapple said:

I'm so sorry. I had my own experience IRL and it is nothing more than a bully playing games. Stand up for yourself. Don't be emotionally manipulated into a person allowing someone else who wants to scare you.

I am sending you lots of hugs.

I have a few seats over here that you can have.  Please, take them all.

AND PLEASE BE FUCKING JOINED BY EVERYONE ASKING Y4M QUESTIONS AND SPECULATING ON OR POSTING ABOUT DELETION. FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK

[Deleted]

Jan 31, 2016 8:09:39 GMT -5 karinothing said:

Didn't they turn off deletions?

Toledo's posts starting disappearing yesterday before deletions were turned off. We all noticed it. 

[Lucy Honeychurch]

Jan 31, 2016 7:59:12 GMT -5 teflepi said:

And now LHC too? This does sound very.....off.

To clarify:
I've been having my posts deleted periodically for some months now, just because there is so much information out there. I requested y4m to delete my posts on October 16, and again on January 25, before these monster threads happened. My posts are still there throughout this incident and I stand by them.
I never once defended booby's words, and in fact stated emphatically that I thought kirkette had every right to be upset.
My only stance other than that has been to state that I am uneasy when threats of off-board retaliation happen, and I take them seriously. I've seen it happen many times on these boards, and it scares the shit out of me.
I am neither condoning nor defending anything booby has said. In fact, booby and I have tangled many times over the years.
I am incredibly sorry for what happened to smo, and I had absolutely no part in it, nor do I have any knowledge whatsoever about this incident.
These boards have been a part of my life for a decade, and I value the discussions we have here. I've learned a great deal from them, and continue to do so.
If my part in any of this has caused anyone to think I am racist, or a racist sympathizer, please know that I am sorry for that, and while it was never my intent, I understand that intent does not always matter.
Anyone taking action in this matter is free to investigate my past posts. Google cache is available and I am sure proboards logs them. I absolutely hope they catch whomever was responsible for harassing smo in such a hateful way. I would never, ever engage in behavior like that.
Thanks for reading.

[pixy0stix]

Man, I'm disappointed in LCH and toledo. Not like they care, but wtf?

[Deleted]

Jan 31, 2016 9:12:29 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Jan 31, 2016 8:58:08 GMT -5 @natariru said:

I'm not saying they are racists or sent the package to Smo. BUT, they were vocally supportive of booby in those threads and have definitely engaged in different pile ons that booby started. So to me, deleting posts looks like trying to wipe away the "it's just booby being booby" chorus.

I absolutely get that. And I think there are undoubtedly people who are embarrassed by their support and want to erase that from their post history. I also think that even though this was a racially-motivated attack, it's not the first time that board life has crossed over to real life in gross and scary ways and, recognizing that, people may be deleting.

I've been outspoken about racism and microagressions, both in that thread and in others, but I didn't want anyone misconstruing these two posters' particular deletions as indications of guilt.

I'm just curious, why? 

You know I like you, but why do you care if people think they are guilty?

They aren't brand new to these parts and I'm sure know that people are going to notice that they are deleting posts. They can come here and talk for themselves if they want.

Everyone is always asking for some damn receipts, we do have some, but now some aren't so public anymore. 

Obviously none of us know if they are guilty of being involved in sending the package, but it is shady and toledo for one definitely wasn't positively supportive in any of these threads lately.

[underwaterrhymes]

Jan 31, 2016 10:05:45 GMT -5 @wandering said:

Jan 31, 2016 9:12:29 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I absolutely get that. And I think there are undoubtedly people who are embarrassed by their support and want to erase that from their post history. I also think that even though this was a racially-motivated attack, it's not the first time that board life has crossed over to real life in gross and scary ways and, recognizing that, people may be deleting.

I've been outspoken about racism and microagressions, both in that thread and in others, but I didn't want anyone misconstruing these two posters' particular deletions as indications of guilt.

I'm just curious, why? 

You know I like you, but why do you care if people think they are guilty?

They aren't brand new to these parts and I'm sure know that people are going to notice that they are deleting posts. They can come here and talk for themselves if they want.

Everyone is always asking for some damn receipts, we do have some, but now some aren't so public anymore. 

Obviously none of us know if they are guilty of being involved in sending the package, but it is shady and toledo for one definitely wasn't positively supportive in any of these threads lately.

That's fair.

I'm not going to say anything more on the issue because I think it deflects from what is important. I have my own thoughts on who is behind this, but it's all obviously speculation.

[Beeps (WOT?*)]

Uh, @cranapple I think you're taking your personal experience and very incorrectly inserting it here. I'm' sure you mean well and all that but please step back and read the thread, read the thread KOKO started, read the 16 pages on ML about the MMM thread, read the 16 pages on MMM (well, you can start on about page 6 with that one to save yourself some reading), read the thread on MM (dammit I still haven't gone back to that one - I forgot all about it in the crush of the others) and in particular read the discussions of the women of color in all those posts plus multiple others on CE&P dating as far back as Trayvon Marton and before discussing racism in all its varied forms - overt and covert.

Once you understand what's going on, then come back and discuss. Until then, you are way off base here.

[iammalcolmx]

Jan 31, 2016 9:17:50 GMT -5 @cranapple said:

I'm so sorry. I had my own experience IRL and it is nothing more than a bully playing games. Stand up for yourself. Don't be emotionally manipulated into a person allowing someone else who wants to scare you.

I am sending you lots of hugs.

They gon get you!!!

[heyjude]

Jan 31, 2016 10:21:14 GMT -5 Beeps (WOT?*) said:

Uh, @cranapple I think you're taking your personal experience and very incorrectly inserting it here. I'm' sure you mean well and all that but please step back and read the thread, read the thread KOKO started, read the 16 pages on ML about the MMM thread, read the 16 pages on MMM (well, you can start on about page 6 with that one to save yourself some reading), read the thread on MM (dammit I still haven't gone back to that one - I forgot all about it in the crush of the others) and in particular read the discussions of the women of color in all those posts plus multiple others on CE&P dating as far back as Trayvon Marton and before discussing racism in all its varied forms - overt and covert.

Once you understand what's going on, then come back and discuss. Until then, you are way off base here.

I'm going to assume she read the first post and nothing more. Otherwise.... Um.... Yeah.

[gpw]

Jan 31, 2016 10:31:48 GMT -5 tators said:

Jan 31, 2016 10:29:30 GMT -5 iammalcolmx said:

They gon get you!!!

and wtf to this too.

to what?  cranapple's post or iammalcolmx's?  

[Beeps (WOT?*)]

Martin.
It won't let me edit but damn if the one word I didn't catch the typo on was one of the most important. Get the name right dammit. He is a victim and deserves to be remembered properly.

[pixy0stix]

Jan 31, 2016 10:41:58 GMT -5 tators said:

Jan 31, 2016 10:35:02 GMT -5 gpw said:

to what?  cranapple's post or iammalcolmx 's?  

the wording got me. Not the idea that people were going to say that post is rediculous.

[Michelle]

Jan 31, 2016 10:00:43 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Jan 31, 2016 7:59:12 GMT -5 teflepi said:

And now LHC too? This does sound very.....off.

To clarify:
I've been having my posts deleted periodically for some months now, just because there is so much information out there. I requested y4m to delete my posts on October 16, and again on January 25, before these monster threads happened. My posts are still there throughout this incident and I stand by them.
I never once defended booby's words, and in fact stated emphatically that I thought kirkette had every right to be upset.
My only stance other than that has been to state that I am uneasy when threats of off-board retaliation happen, and I take them seriously. I've seen it happen many times on these boards, and it scares the shit out of me.
I am neither condoning nor defending anything booby has said. In fact, booby and I have tangled many times over the years.
I am incredibly sorry for what happened to smo, and I had absolutely no part in it, nor do I have any knowledge whatsoever about this incident.
These boards have been a part of my life for a decade, and I value the discussions we have here. I've learned a great deal from them, and continue to do so.
If my part in any of this has caused anyone to think I am racist, or a racist sympathizer, please know that I am sorry for that, and while it was never my intent, I understand that intent does not always matter.
Anyone taking action in this matter is free to investigate my past posts. Google cache is available and I am sure proboards logs them. I absolutely hope they catch whomever was responsible for harassing smo in such a hateful way. I would never, ever engage in behavior like that.
Thanks for reading.

To date I have really liked you and most of your posts. So maybe because of that i was shocked as shit to see you joining early on in the pile on that makes Kirkette out to be a crazy person when she was so obviously at her wits end, being bullied into an emotionally reactive place, and mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. Kirkette's MO is by default to try to understand where someone is coming from, to give people a chance to explain if taken the wrong way. She deserves that same consideration from those who see her posts regularly. Since you are active on the same boards as her you should have known that and had her back, or at least refrained from the pile on. Booby, DickMove and others clearly were being manipulative and pushing her buttons. And you sided with them. And stand by those comments.

[redheadbaker]

Jan 31, 2016 10:41:58 GMT -5 tators said:

Jan 31, 2016 10:35:02 GMT -5 gpw said:

to what?  cranapple's post or iammalcolmx's?  

the wording got me. Not the idea that people were going to say that post is rediculous.

Iammalcolmx says that all the time. It's like her catchphrase (said lovingly).

[NewOrleans]

Jan 31, 2016 10:41:58 GMT -5 tators said:

Jan 31, 2016 10:35:02 GMT -5 gpw said:

to what?  cranapple's post or iammalcolmx 's?  

the wording got me. Not the idea that people were going to say that post is rediculous.

get out

[Lucy Honeychurch]

Jan 31, 2016 10:44:58 GMT -5 Michelle said:

Jan 31, 2016 10:00:43 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

To clarify:
I've been having my posts deleted periodically for some months now, just because there is so much information out there. I requested y4m to delete my posts on October 16, and again on January 25, before these monster threads happened. My posts are still there throughout this incident and I stand by them.
I never once defended booby's words, and in fact stated emphatically that I thought kirkette had every right to be upset.
My only stance other than that has been to state that I am uneasy when threats of off-board retaliation happen, and I take them seriously. I've seen it happen many times on these boards, and it scares the shit out of me.
I am neither condoning nor defending anything booby has said. In fact, booby and I have tangled many times over the years.
I am incredibly sorry for what happened to smo, and I had absolutely no part in it, nor do I have any knowledge whatsoever about this incident.
These boards have been a part of my life for a decade, and I value the discussions we have here. I've learned a great deal from them, and continue to do so.
If my part in any of this has caused anyone to think I am racist, or a racist sympathizer, please know that I am sorry for that, and while it was never my intent, I understand that intent does not always matter.
Anyone taking action in this matter is free to investigate my past posts. Google cache is available and I am sure proboards logs them. I absolutely hope they catch whomever was responsible for harassing smo in such a hateful way. I would never, ever engage in behavior like that.
Thanks for reading.

To date I have really liked you and most of your posts. So maybe because of that i was shocked as shit to see you joining early on in the pile on that makes Kirkette out to be a crazy person when she was so obviously at her wits end, being bullied into an emotionally reactive place, and mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. Kirkette's MO is by default to try to understand where someone is coming from, to give people a chance to explain if taken the wrong way. She deserves that same consideration from those who see her posts regularly. Since you are active on the same boards as her you should have known that and had her back, or at least refrained from the pile on. Booby, DickMove and others clearly were being manipulative and pushing her buttons. And you sided with them. And stand by those comments.

If they were, I was not aware of any particularly racist or nefarious intent. I think in that thread I disagreed with the use of philanthropist, because I didn't think it was the right word to use? I certainly never called kirkette crazy. I do think her posts have been more intense lately, and obviously now I realize there was a pointed reason for that. In that respect, I absolutely apologize for not seeing any kind of pattern, and I put that down to my own cultural blindness.
Regardless, I'm dropping this now, because this incident is not about me. I just wanted to clarify that I in no way, shape or form condone retaliation off board, and that that had been my position since these discussions began; and that there was nothing nefarious about my post deletion.

[NewOrleans]

Jan 31, 2016 10:51:18 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Jan 31, 2016 10:44:58 GMT -5 Michelle said:

If they were, I was not aware of any particularly racist or nefarious intent. 

Except that kirkette was making you aware of racist and nefarious intent. And you chose not to listen.