Maud , you seriously think that the most egregious example of the white suburban bubble is people not understanding where Ireland is, when we have posters who have said they won't go to Newark, New Jersey? When we have posters saying it is dangerous to ride public buses in Milwaukee? When we have posters whose children of color have been treated shamefully and horrifically before even reaching elementary school age?
No, as I stated in my previous post, it's part of the continuum that the vacuous American suburban women on this board insist on functioning on. You think Chicago is too dangerous for your precious little angels unless you stick to navy pier and the Cheesecake Factory, you think piercing a baby's ears is culturally inappropriate but circumcising your baby boys is just a lifestyle choice and, AS PART OF THAT CONTINUUM you think it's no big fucking deal to say that Ireland, a country that suffered centuries of oppression, is part of the U.K., its fucking oppressor. I get that I am digging in now and being obtuse but, fuck, the lack of cultural and racial sensitivity here is astounding.
Okay...except white people oppressing white people because of religion is in no way the same thing as the race issues being discussed here. I mean, they are clearly a big deal to you, being Irish...but they aren't a big deal to the women here, in particular the WOC, who are just sort of a bit tired of being told that white issues are as significant as theirs...which is sort of what you did. You drew a parallel from your white issue, to their race issue, which means you think they are the same. But they aren't.
I'm appalled that someone had the gall to bring up STEREOTYPING THE IRISH in a thread where several people have expressed that they worry about their children's safety simply because of the color of their skin. It doesn't get any more classless than that. For fuck's sake, grow a brain.
Well since you're so appalled tell me how I as a POC should feel? I just don't see the point in this leprechaun and lucky charm commentary. It feeds into this posters ridiculous point of view.
lol. You're still learning something in here? Still think there's a point to the madness? No shade, I'm impressed.
Maud , you seriously think that the most egregious example of the white suburban bubble is people not understanding where Ireland is, when we have posters who have said they won't go to Newark, New Jersey? When we have posters saying it is dangerous to ride public buses in Milwaukee? When we have posters whose children of color have been treated shamefully and horrifically before even reaching elementary school age?
No, as I stated in my previous post, it's part of the continuum that the vacuous American suburban women on this board insist on functioning on. You think Chicago is too dangerous for your precious little angels unless you stick to navy pier and the Cheesecake Factory, you think piercing a baby's ears is culturally inappropriate but circumcising your baby boys is just a lifestyle choice and, AS PART OF THAT CONTINUUM you think it's no big fucking deal to say that Ireland, a country that suffered centuries of oppression, is part of the U.K., its fucking oppressor. I get that I am digging in now and being obtuse but, fuck, the lack of cultural and racial sensitivity here is astounding.
IRELAND IS NOT A FUCKING RACE. STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPSaveSave
My family is Irish and my mom lived there until pretty recently. The Irish are not generally known for being beacons of racial tolerance, definitely not in this country, so it's bizarre and insulting to be fighting the Irish good fight in THIS thread, right NOW.
Well since you're so appalled tell me how I as a POC should feel? I just don't see the point in this leprechaun and lucky charm commentary. It feeds into this posters ridiculous point of view.
lol. You're still learning something in here? Still think there's a point to the madness? No shade, I'm impressed.
I'm not going to lie, I am getting more and more frustrated. I just can't feed into people's bs views such as maud.
No, as I stated in my previous post, it's part of the continuum that the vacuous American suburban women on this board insist on functioning on. You think Chicago is too dangerous for your precious little angels unless you stick to navy pier and the Cheesecake Factory, you think piercing a baby's ears is culturally inappropriate but circumcising your baby boys is just a lifestyle choice and, AS PART OF THAT CONTINUUM you think it's no big fucking deal to say that Ireland, a country that suffered centuries of oppression, is part of the U.K., its fucking oppressor. I get that I am digging in now and being obtuse but, fuck, the lack of cultural and racial sensitivity here is astounding.
Okay...except white people oppressing white people because of religion is in no way the same thing as the race issues being discussed here. I mean, they are clearly a big deal to you, being Irish...but they aren't a big deal to the women here, in particular the WOC, who are just sort of a bit tired of being told that white issues are as significant as theirs...which is sort of what you did. You drew a parallel from your white issue, to their race issue, which means you think they are the same. But they aren't.
edited for a horrible grammatical error.
Stop arguing with her. She is dim and just needs to shut her stupid self-absorbed pie hole.SaveSave
So, is this when we move on to discuss the oppression of the Bretons in France? Or how they should be known for something besides crepes? For the edification of the American people, of course.
Maud you are gonna love me, I a very proud hispnirish That's half Hispanic half irish and I really think my two very irish grandmothers would not be happy with you. I just don't think you get it, at all. Don't test me on my irish history either, we are a large and happy crew and I still have kin there and my Gaelic is rusty and sparse but my mom's isn't and she sprinkles hers with Spanish.
I fell asleep reading this thread last night. Literally. I read until the wee hours (hey, I'm Irish, gtfo with that oppression bullshit because it's not the same thing as we're talking about here *at all* - the "O" in BPO is O'irishastheycomelastname - and my paternal grandmother immigrated from Italy so don't go there with the "we've been oppressed" bullshit either) and had to come back this evening to finish...to find it yet another 18 pages of idiocy and bullshit and ignorance, with some nuggets of gold thrown in.
Someone in another thread commented that they were thrown by TamiTaylor 's tone in her post, thought about it and realized it was because she was a white woman posting on racism and calling people out. Too many of us are tra-la-la dancing around the issue, "reading and learning" and going right back to the same commentary and behavior and bullshit. Too many times the WOC have educated us, and it's not their job. I thank them from the bottom of my heart for doing so, but now that we're a board of (educated and smart) women who have been educated by people who have experienced oppression and racism in a manner in which we will never understand it is *our* job to educate ourselves, our families and others. It's our job to talk about white fragility, unconscious bias, racism, police brutality, oppression... because while they LIVE it, we are the ones DOING it. So we educate.
Too many times people have done the "I'm listening and learning" to turn around to pat the WOC on the head to placate them and then dance on our merry way. Too many times we've ignored what they've been saying because "angry black woman" or "they're complaining again. We experience oppression too. What about...?" IT TOOK A WHITE WOMAN POSTING ABOUT RACISM AND TELLING PEOPLE TO GET THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASSES AND READ ABOUT HOW WE ARE HURTING THE WOC ON OUR BOARDS...TIME AND TIME AGAIN...to get a reaction other than a roll of the eyes and a pat on the head. And you know what that reaction was? You were PISSED OFF and you were ANNOYED that someone broke into the sanctity of sanguine posting of food, babies and interior decorating to say "Hey, you're still pulling your shit and you're still hurting friends."
Instead of getting butthurt that it was brought up, and by whom, GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND LEARN SOME SHIT THAT WILL IMPROVE THE LIVES OF YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR FAMILIES. It's hard, but it's necessary. Maybe someday we'll have that Star Trek utopia where Uhura is in charge of the Enterprise, but we're not going to get there while you're patting yourselves on the back for being "enlightened."
(Note: I'm racist as phuque and I admit it. I fight everyday to overcome my "education" and how I was raised. I've been schooled, I've been educated, I've read, and I hope that I've listened to these women, and dammit, I'm willing to learn this shit. Not only because I hate the thought that I've obliviously hurt my friends, and total strangers, but because I'm not an ass. And if my half-century ass can learn and change, you *kids* can do some learning too.)
ETA: Just wanting to add that damn, I admire Tami for doing what she did. I wish I had her balls...er, vagina. And if I could come back as eclaires in another life, I will be a happy camper.
Well, you got me. I hate the Irish...mostly just those of the Notre Dame variety, though.
Plus, I'm ignorant and I thought the original screen name meant she got married at the Basilica in South Bend, IN. I didn't even know there was a country called Ireland! Let alone one that wasn't part of the UK. That is some CRAZY shit.
I am not a Mom, so I do not go to this board, but I am glad this was XP because it sheds light on this community as a whole. I am guilty of not posting in other threads. It's not about having the perfect thing to say. Its about not tolerating this shit.
but my mom's isn't and she sprinkles hers with Spanish.
I bet this is fun. (no sarcasm, I bet it's awesome)
Honey come to a family reunion, it's awesome. Gonna start some shit now, you're invited to the next one, it's in Camden nj, you feel lucky? My sisters and I have so much fun just watching and listening to my mom and aunts...hysterical.
That was last week. Please keep up. I believe next on the lineup are the Scots.
I hope that's not tonight. I'm a little drunk and about to go to bed, so I don't really have the energy to play the martyr. Suffice to say I have freckles on my lips. My life is so hard.
Maud, you seriously think that the most egregious example of the white suburban bubble is people not understanding where Ireland is, when we have posters who have said they won't go to Newark, New Jersey? When we have posters saying it is dangerous to ride public buses in Milwaukee? When we have posters whose children of color have been treated shamefully and horrifically before even reaching elementary school age?
No, as I stated in my previous post, it's part of the continuum that the vacuous American suburban women on this board insist on functioning on. You think Chicago is too dangerous for your precious little angels unless you stick to navy pier and the Cheesecake Factory, you think piercing a baby's ears is culturally inappropriate but circumcising your baby boys is just a lifestyle choice and, AS PART OF THAT CONTINUUM you think it's no big fucking deal to say that Ireland, a country that suffered centuries of oppression, is part of the U.K., its fucking oppressor. I get that I am digging in now and being obtuse but, fuck, the lack of cultural and racial sensitivity here is astounding.
No. I am well aware that Ireland is not part of the U.K. BUT it's not important to this thread. STOP acting like it is.