Post by turnipthebeet on Jan 11, 2017 10:16:04 GMT -5
I have heard that diesel vehicles actually do need a little idle time before driving in extreme cold weather, although nothing like 10 minutes. I haven't looked into this.
I don't know if it's a law here but I cannot imagine leaving my car unattended with the keys in it. I guess there's a benefit to growing up in NYC where all your shit would be gone in the blink of an eye.
I don't know if it's a law here but I cannot imagine leaving my car unattended with the keys in it. I guess there's a benefit to growing up in NYC where all your shit would be gone in the blink of an eye.
Right? I am also baffled by people who leave their keys in the car at the gas station or MAC machine or whatever. OR OVERNIGHT IN THE DRIVEWAY!! Sometimes we get "alerts" about car theft and the cops say "Do not leave your keys in your car." Um, who does that??? Where I grew up your car would be gone before you got in your back door.
sure, but the law is that you have to be in the car if it's idling. not that you can't idle at all. i guess my point was more that if the law was intended to cut down on the environmental impact of idling, it's doing it wrong.
In this case, it's not about environmental impact. In many other cases, it is. You specifically asked what the difference was between you being inside vs. sitting in your car and how there is a difference to the environment in that situation. There's not. But it's completely unnecessary to idle your car at all, which was my primary point.
I don't really care why or how the law was written in any given county around the country. Idling your car harms the environment and isn't necessary.
It's like turning on your oven and leaving the door open. The oven is functioning but not to its purpose. It's a waste of resources.
If the Roseville Police Department is anything like mine, those cop cars are idling, unlocked and unattended a LOT. Thank wouldn't make a case about it unless one of them gave me a $128 ticket on my own property.
Then I'd make a huge flipping issue out of The double standard.
Post by RexManningDay on Jan 11, 2017 10:33:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm dumb. I never even considered this was an environmental impact rule. I guess I thought it was only about the theft implications and comparable to leaving your house unlocked while you're gone. Which I thought was stupid.
The drive thru ridiculousness brings up an interesting point though. When I do car line, I always turn my car off while I wait, mostly because I'm cheap and don't want to waste gas, but also because of the exhaust. Most people I see leave the car running. It's literally 30 minutes plus of waiting, and it's 50 cars deep, mostly minivans and SUVs. They really shouldn't allow that.
isabel, do you turn your car off in a drive thru? Or any time your car is idle?
Omg. I'm not suggesting I'm some environmental savior. I do little things here and there to avoid adding to pollution. I don't idle my car in the morning before work because it isn't necessary. I use reusable bags, but if I didn't bring in enough, I don't cry when they ask if I want a plastic one.
Idling is unnecessary as a means to warm your car. That's all I'm getting at.
It is illegal because the car is unlocked with the keys in the ignition.
"Many of the ordinances will allow you to use a remote start because the vehicle is locked." Remote start is not illegal because the vehicle is locked and the key is not in the ignition.
Before remote start, I would start my car, lock it and use my spare to unlock when it was time to leave. We do not have such ordinances where I live or every day I could be ticketed for starting DH car for him.
ETA: my remote start turns off after 7 minutes, so it isn't idling for ever. #remotestartforlife
Last Edit: Jan 11, 2017 10:44:54 GMT -5 by kris356
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Post by textbookcase on Jan 11, 2017 10:44:31 GMT -5
I understand the environmental issues w leaving your car idling, but in the summer time here it's necessary to start the car 5 mins before you go somewhere to cool it down a bit. When it's 120 degrees outside it's almost 200 degrees in the car and I'm not putting my kids in that. I do use reflective shades but when it's that hot out they do nothing for the temp in the car. I try not to go many places when it's that hot but sometimes can't avoid it.
Post by ladystardust on Jan 11, 2017 10:49:00 GMT -5
I'm going to assume those that say starting the car first is unnecessary don't deal with a fogged up window after scraping? A fogged windshield is undriveable, especially if heading towards the sun. If I need to, I start the car before scraping it and usually need to wait a few extra minutes afterwards before I can see. I don't leave it unattended but I know a lot of people do.
I'm going to assume those that say starting the car first is unnecessary don't deal with a fogged up window after scraping? A fogged windshield is undriveable, especially if heading towards the sun. If I need to, I start the car before scraping it and usually need to wait a few extra minutes afterwards before I can see. I don't leave it unattended but I know a lot of people do.
OMG.
People are not talking about this.
People are talking about the falsehood that you need to turn your car on, leave it for 5 plus minutes by going inside to let it "warm up"
Obviously if the windows are fogged and you need to turn on the defroster before driving off, then do that.
My entire town is a no idle zone. It's always awesome when a tourist idles outside the school or a park. Fucking pitchforks, man. People are ticketed all the time here, but I've never considered this to apply to my own driveway. There are times when they temperature requires at least 5-10 min of defrost before it's safe to even drive, therefore, idling in the driveway.
We had them when I worked at a dealership. Gets rid of the snow and doesn't scratch your paint like a broom. And they are have a telescoping handle for us shorties.
"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." - Unknown
I'm going to assume those that say starting the car first is unnecessary don't deal with a fogged up window after scraping? A fogged windshield is undriveable, especially if heading towards the sun. If I need to, I start the car before scraping it and usually need to wait a few extra minutes afterwards before I can see. I don't leave it unattended but I know a lot of people do.
Actually I drive no matter what, because environment. So what if I can't see? I just barrel down the road in my iced over windows.
Let's use some common sense here people. No one is saying that you need to just hop into your car and GO every single time. Obviously there are extenuating circumstances that require extra attention to make driving safe. That is why cars include features like defrost. It's just that "warming up" the car as part of your daily routine is not necessary and is actually harmful.
I wasn't meaning to be a jackass. I was seriously asking. When we bought a car last year, I asked about the auto turn off that a lot of cars have now - that DO turn off when idling. The dealer said that the EPA is pushing to mandate that as a requirement for new cars.
One of our cars automatically shuts off if not moving for more than like 30 seconds. So if you're driving a newer car, idling isn't necessary like it used to be for older cars.
Post by miniroller on Jan 11, 2017 10:56:00 GMT -5
Well look kris356 coming in to solve ERRYBODY's problems!!! 👍😉😜 Thanks- I'm totally ordering a SnoBrum for my parents for a late Christmas/ early Easter present! #garageparkingforlife
I'm going to assume those that say starting the car first is unnecessary don't deal with a fogged up window after scraping? A fogged windshield is undriveable, especially if heading towards the sun. If I need to, I start the car before scraping it and usually need to wait a few extra minutes afterwards before I can see. I don't leave it unattended but I know a lot of people do.
OMG.
People are not talking about this.
People are talking about the falsehood that you need to turn your car on, leave it for 5 plus minutes by going inside to let it "warm up"
Obviously if the windows are fogged and you need to turn on the defroster before driving off, then do that.
Some things are necessary, other things are not.
Oh I know that was the original topic. I'm just curious about people saying a car should never be idle. I agree excessive defrosting isn't a good thing.
Is this where I can complain that my H parks in the garage so my car is the freezing one in the morning?!
It was -1 the other morning and I started it early to make sure it would actually start. I did question leaving it running while I put the kids coats on inside.
I like to live on the edge
But really, it makes sense not to leave it running unaccompanied.
My entire town is a no idle zone. It's always awesome when a tourist idles outside the school or a park. Fucking pitchforks, man.
H sometimes leaves the truck running while he runs into a store and we're sitting in it. I always, ALWAYS turn it off because 1) idling drives me fucking insane, and 2) I'm afraid someone is going to knock on my window to give me shit, which would totally happen in my new town, lol.
I'm going to assume those that say starting the car first is unnecessary don't deal with a fogged up window after scraping? A fogged windshield is undriveable, especially if heading towards the sun. If I need to, I start the car before scraping it and usually need to wait a few extra minutes afterwards before I can see. I don't leave it unattended but I know a lot of people do.
People are talking about the falsehood that you need to turn your car on, leave it for 5 plus minutes by going inside to let it "warm up"
Obviously if the windows are fogged and you need to turn on the defroster before driving off, then do that.
Some things are necessary, other things are not.
Oh I know that was the original topic. I'm just curious about people saying a car should never be idle. I agree excessive defrosting isn't a good thing.
I don't think anyone meant that a car can never ever idle because that would essentially be impossible. Cars are not always moving.
Everyone means excessive idling. Excessive occurs when it's more than several minutes for no reason other than to make sure your ass doesn't get in to a chilly car. I do not think the police are going to give anyone a ticket for sitting in their car with fogged up windows and scraping off the ice, that is not excessive idling!