MU guru gossip - Tati & Jeffree Star

[Pippin]

Apparently Jeffree just posted a video about his racist videos in the past. I don't want to give him the views since I doubt he's mentioning any of the radical shit he's doing right now.

[pixy0stix]

Summary from Reddit: www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/6ife06/jeffrees_new_video_addressing_racism_is_up/

It's been a long road from Myspace to Youtube
I am a hot topic, I look different, I am outspoken, I look different, so I expect negative, and it can be very dark and ugly.
whenever I get into drama, people bring up things from 12 years ago.
I see those videos and it makes me sick. I see those videos and I hate them and I don't even know who that person was.
that person was full of rage and hatred. That person felt like they didn't fit into the world. That person felt like they needed to seek attention.
I fought anger with anger. Does that make it okay - absolutely not.
I want to look everyone in your eyes and say that the content of those videos is nasty and wrong and terrible and embarrassing. What I was saying is not what I represent.
I'm about self-expression, self-worth, and self-love.
I've talked about this and addressed this on many other platforms but that's not enough. I owe you an apology.
I am so sorry for my words. I am so sorry for everything that I've said in my past. I can never turn back time and take those moments away. I own up to them.
I have lived with this for a long time. Every time this stuff gets dragged up, it makes me sad, because I don't know who that person was.
Growing up, I was always a guy who wore makeup. I started in 10th grade. Ten years ago, there were no guys in the public sphere that wore makeup. I felt alone. I come from a family of chaos, alcoholism and abuse.
Makeup was my happy place - it was my way to escape my shitty life. When I left my house, they would spit on me, scream at me, call me a faggot. I fought rage with rage. I was emotionally abused and screamed at publicly - people would scream at me from their cars.
Fighting back with anger and rage is not the way. It's wrong. I want to set a better example for other people like me.
I am one little person trying to get through every day. I am nowhere near perfect.
The intent behind my words back then was not about race. Racism does not live inside me. I was trying to hurt them, harm them, and shock them. I was fighting back. I was saying if you say mean things to me I'm going to say them back. (no mention so far about the fact that the 12 year old video is of women minding their own business on the street not even saying anything to him)
I thank my fans - my life is such a huge blessing and your support is amazing.
Recently when people were saying things about me or trying to get a reaction, I did give in. I am weak, I am selfish, I have anger problems sometimes. I lash out at people who lash out at me. (speaking about current situation)
I am the first one to lash back. I call people stupid, I call people rats, I call people annoying - I've called people every name in the book because it's hard not to react sometimes. The bullying and extreme hate that comes my way every day is hard to process. People say horrible shit about me (references horrible shit and it's HORRIBLE) and I have to process those things every day, and I need to learn to find a better way. (expressing regret about the current situation)
I need to find a way not to respond to people.
Back to the 12 year old video - People have heard rumors or they saw a clip but didn't see the full spectrum - I'm so sorry you have to see me like that. It makes me want to erase myself. I can't believe how unhappy I was.
I'm so sorry for ever saying those things. That does not represent who I am. I apologize to the core of my being for those things. That is not who I am.
That person does not exist anymore. I'm all about trying to bring awareness to self-expression and love, and I want you guys to learn from my mistakes. If you take one thing away from this video, don't make the same mistakes I made.
I know I'm not the only person who is judged for who they are or what they look like.
We've come really far with regard to human rights but we still have a long way to go before everyone feels accepted even if they are different.
I want to be a better person. I want to be a better person that I was last week. I don't want to deal with drama or anger or rage anymore. It's unhealthy and I am tired of feeding into that. I know I have been feeding into it.
When you are being bullied or attacked or harassed, it's okay to respond, but be careful HOW you respond. Because how I handled things was not okay, and you never know how you're going to affect another person. (Referencing current situation and things he said in the last few days)
Hurting someone else back will never make you feel any better.
Dealing with this drama online is unhealthy, and I'm going to stop.
I'm not going to feed hate with hate anymore. It has to stop.
I'm happier now than I've ever been in my life, and I don't want outsiders to affect that.
Thanks for listening. It's okay for you to be done with me, but if you still listened, thank you.

[pixy0stix]

So really, he still doesn't address the recent things he's done. He keeps being racist and starting drama.

[wawa]

You know what...not knowing his whole backstory I might be willing to listen to that bullshit, except that 1. a quick perusal of his social media shows that he's all about starting shit even when the people saying "horrible" things about him aren't really saying shit that bad at all. Like...you don't see him starting a war with somebody who says vile shit, you see him throwing down because somebody points out when he's fucked up. That's bullshit.

and 2. "Ten years ago, there were no guys in the public sphere that wore makeup."

Ten years ago was 2007. What the fuck is he smoking? There were likely no guys wearing makeup in his high school or town, sure. But public sphere? Uhhhh...no. sorry. 2007 was peak guy-liner. and that doesn't even touch the drag world, which was getting more mainstream attention, or musicians like david bowie that had been wearing whateverthefuck they wanted since WAY THE FUCK LONG TIME AGO. let's not overstate your case as some sort of fucking one of a kind unicorn.

[pixy0stix]

Exactly, men have been wearing makeup for a while. Since at least the 70s.

[calico]

Jun 20, 2017 14:12:02 GMT -5 wawa said:

You know what...not knowing his whole backstory I might be willing to listen to that bullshit, except that 1. a quick perusal of his social media shows that he's all about starting shit even when the people saying "horrible" things about him aren't really saying shit that bad at all. Like...you don't see him starting a war with somebody who says vile shit, you see him throwing down because somebody points out when he's fucked up. That's bullshit.

and 2. "Ten years ago, there were no guys in the public sphere that wore makeup."

Ten years ago was 2007. What the fuck is he smoking? There were likely no guys wearing makeup in his high school or town, sure. But public sphere? Uhhhh...no. sorry. 2007 was peak guy-liner. and that doesn't even touch the drag world, which was getting more mainstream attention, or musicians like david bowie that had been wearing whateverthefuck they wanted since WAY THE FUCK LONG TIME AGO. let's not overstate your case as some sort of fucking one of a kind unicorn.

(heart) (heart)  YES! I can't heart this enough.  (heart) (heart)

[wawa]

I just read that pile of mess to the end. The way he intentionally conflates vile hate speech that I'm sure he gets regularly with the legit critigues of his peers is just...it's fucking scummy.

Yes, it's terrible that people scream/type slurs at you and probably say a whole pile of absolutely vile shit to you because you're LBGTQ+ . That's awful. People probably say a ton of other not so vile but still hurtful things about you just because they don't "get" non-conformance and feel the need to share that bullshit. THAT'S NOT THE SAME DAMN THING AS SOMEBODY EXPLAINING THAT THEY WON'T BUY YOUR MAKEUP BECAUSE YOU'VE SAID RACIST SHIT BEFORE. COME THE FUCK ON. Stop talking about those two things in one breath, as if they're the same and the reaction that I'd understand for one is somehow deserved for the other. You're not fooling me with that shit.

[kittycatlove]

Jun 20, 2017 11:12:10 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 20, 2017 10:38:49 GMT -5 stephm0188 said:

BeautyGuruChatter

Oooooooh... I like this.

Stephanie Nicole weighed in. She's hated JS from the start. I love her videos, but they're so dang long.

Am I remembering correctly that she called him out before for his crap? I think that's when I started watching her. 

[pixy0stix]

Jun 20, 2017 15:49:18 GMT -5 kittycatlove said:

Jun 20, 2017 11:12:10 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Oooooooh... I like this.

Stephanie Nicole weighed in. She's hated JS from the start. I love her videos, but they're so dang long.

Am I remembering correctly that she called him out before for his crap? I think that's when I started watching her. 

She addressed it when he first started hitting the scene. It was when his lipstick was hitting peak "OMG GOTTA HAVE IT" and right as he was starting his youtube channel. She reviewed a few of his lipsticks and some of her viewers clued her in, and she went digging.

[Champagne Supernova]

KISS, Bowie, Marilyn Manson....big hair bands with the eyeliners and such.

I mean, they didn't do any contouring or whatever but come on now, JS.

[sju]

Jun 20, 2017 11:09:52 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

While she was being blasted she was posting on snapchat for people to go defend her. Bitch, the people blasting you were the ones that supported you to get to where you are. I don't know why I'm so angry at this.

By posting flowers. ugh  Yeah, she asked her supporters to drown those comments she perceived as negative.  So incredibly disrespectful and unprofessional.  

[pixy0stix]

I just got an instagram ad featuring her and a sunscreen.

[Pippin]

Jun 20, 2017 19:15:21 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I just got an instagram ad featuring her and a sunscreen.

I did too. I reported it lol.

[lyssbobiss, Command, B613]

He's such a fucking bully. And for him to pull this shit of "that was a different person..." really boo? You went after Jackie Aina the day before! He also attacked a kid for tweeting at him about the quality of the palette he received. He has been consistently selfish and shitty. The fact that Tati made a video wth this asshole is insane. And to act like she didn't expect the drama - the last time she talked about JS after getting lip color from him, everyone dragged her and she publicly responded then. She's not brand new.

One more point: I believe that another reason Tati is boycotting too faced is because they only gave Nikki $50k for the collab she did and she didn't get paid for a very long time, which is a shitty deal for TF to offer considering how much the company is worth.

[tacoflavoredkisses]

I get the vibe that Tati is trying really hard to stay hip, so she's hanging out with the "younger" crowd. I realize she's only a few years older than Jeffree, but he seems to be the older one in his little group. Anyway, it seems like she's trying real hard to fit in with the "cool kids" and it is a little odd.

I also feel like she's probably a bit salty that she's not had big brand collabs (I remember she made a bitter comment in a video about how she didn't know who the YTer even was who collaborated with smashbox on a lip product). So it doesn't surprise me that she's quick to latch on to boycotting TF. I'm sure when she does a Tati line with Jeffrees cosmetics line, it will be full of unique peach pink nude lip colors!

[bowies]

I did start noticing "the change" with Tati when she started doing that weekly style show thing. I imagine she thought it was her ticket to her own makeup line or a big collab or something and it fizzled out. Her schtick though is trying and reviewing a lot of products - not so much creative looks. And, Lord Jesus, the amount of stuff she puts on her face. I don't watch her tutorials because of that. I can't be the only one. I WFH and even I don't have time for all that.

Anyways, I unsubscribed and don't miss her 1,000th video reviewing a $200 highlighter. Bonus, I have a whole Jackie Aina archive to get through in addition to all the Korean beauty gurus I've recently discovered.

[wawa]

bowies said:

the Korean beauty gurus I've recently discovered.

Do share

[bowies]

Jun 21, 2017 8:30:18 GMT -5 wawa said:

bowies said:

the Korean beauty gurus I've recently discovered.

Do share

The Beauty Breakdown and Liah Yoo are where I'm spending my time right now. They're young so it can sometimes skew cheesy. Morgan (Beauty Breakdown) in particular has a series where she walks you around the shopping districts in Seoul, which I personally love. One of the stores even let her film in there before opening for the day.

[bowies]

Stephanie Nicole put up a long video addressing it, as well as the economics of the makeup industry/WOSBs/MOSBs. I didn't think it was possible to dislike Tati more.

youtu.be/mqpNm_7TEQE

ETA: One quibble with her numbers: she's using general population statistics when discussing black women but applying it to Sephora's retail base. Sephora is only marketing to women so the percentage of WOC in their target market are higher than she states.