Post by CheeringCharm on Oct 16, 2017 9:20:50 GMT -5
Woody Allen is worried this Weinstein thing is going to start a "witch hunt" atmosphere. I bet he doesn't like the "me too" campaign that is trending on social media.
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."
Woody Allen is worried this Weinstein thing is going to start a "witch hunt" atmosphere. I bet he doesn't like the "me too" campaign that is trending on social media.
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."
Woody Allen is worried this Weinstein thing is going to start a "witch hunt" atmosphere. I bet he doesn't like the "me too" campaign that is trending on social media.
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."
Serious side eye to any celebrity who defends him or works with him.
Isn't it pretty well-known that Woody Allen is also a creep? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.
Yes. His daughter has consistently accused him of molesting her for years (and something about the situation as serious enough to warrant a judge only giving him supervised visitation rights) but people who want to work with him look the other way.
Woody Allen is worried this Weinstein thing is going to start a "witch hunt" atmosphere. I bet he doesn't like the "me too" campaign that is trending on social media.
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."
Isn't it pretty well-known that Woody Allen is also a creep? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.
Yes. His daughter has consistently accused him of molesting her for years (and something about the situation as serious enough to warrant a judge only giving him supervised visitation rights) but people who want to work with him look the other way.
And he married a woman that he helped raise like a daughter for years.
What do we think of men joining the #metoo posts with their own #metoos?
Like men who have been sexually assaulted and harassed? I'm glad they feel comfortable speaking up. The culture of silence around sexual assault and harassment is toxic. Now, if these are men "speaking up" about one time a woman said "nice shirt," they can fuck right off.
Post by rondonalddo on Oct 16, 2017 11:19:40 GMT -5
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."
OMG. Look, if we ever get to the point where we've overcorrected on sexual harrassment and assault, we can deal with it then. All of history tells us it won't get to that point...and if it did, the woman who was winked at would get blamed, not the man who winked at her.
ALSO, these old pricks who are worried about THEMSELVES in this situation can fuck right off.
What do we think of men joining the #metoo posts with their own #metoos?
Like men who have been sexually assaulted and harassed? I'm glad they feel comfortable speaking up. The culture of silence around sexual assault and harassment is toxic. Now, if these are men "speaking up" about one time a woman said "nice shirt," they can fuck right off.
What do we think of men joining the #metoo posts with their own #metoos?
I'll say that I may be in the minority, but I don't really see the point in this campaign for women, nonetheless men. Anyone who doesn't know that pretty much every woman has been a victim of, at minimum, sexual harrassment, is not going to pay any attention to this. I will say I think it's tone deaf for men to chime in and seems very #alllivesmatter to me. Sure they do and we can discuss your separate issue another time (and I do think the topic of sexual harassment/assault of men is a worthy topic of conversation)
On the other hand I have a man in my newsfeed recounting a time in college when he thinks he made a woman feel uncomfortable by getting too close to her at a party. His post ends with an appology.
What do we think of men joining the #metoo posts with their own #metoos?
This is currently being discussed on a friend's FB page and this was my response there: ------ I guess it depends on what the conversation is. Is it about men specifically trying to keep women in their place a la Weinstein and Trump? Or men using their position of power against any gender? Any sexual harassment/assault perpetrated by anyone toward anyone? Because men absolutely deserve to be a part of some of those conversations. ------- I thought the whole thing started because of the former. And if so, it's a little #alllivesmatter to me. But if it's the latter then that's a different story.
Woody Allen is worried this Weinstein thing is going to start a "witch hunt" atmosphere. I bet he doesn't like the "me too" campaign that is trending on social media.
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."
What do we think of men joining the #metoo posts with their own #metoos?
I'll say that I may be in the minority, but I don't really see the point in this campaign for women, nonetheless men. Anyone who doesn't know that pretty much every woman has been a victim of, at minimum, sexual harrassment, is not going to pay any attention to this. I will say I think it's tone deaf for men to chime in and seems very #alllivesmatter to me. Sure they do and we can discuss your separate issue another time (and I do think the topic of sexual harassment/assault of men is a worthy topic of conversation)
I'm not sure I'd agree.
I mean, I've heard the stats, and know I've had to deal with a few situations myself, and even had discussions with women about assault/harassment... But even then, I hadn't really connected the dots. It's a whole other level of eye-opening to see so many of my female friends posting it. Some share stories about what the assaults were (few had only a single story if they shared details). Some simply posted "Me Too". But, friends I admire, and think are so dang strong and capable and all-around together have posted it. And that hits at a different level, somehow. I'm hoping that maybe, just maybe, it might hit some guys the same way.
I ended up with a bit of a conversation on my post. One friend was discounting the whole thing, and several other friends shared perspectives that helped change her mind.
I have two male friends that have posted "me too". I have no doubts that both are talking about sexual assault. I have no problems with men joining in.
Like men who have been sexually assaulted and harassed? I'm glad they feel comfortable speaking up. The culture of silence around sexual assault and harassment is toxic. Now, if these are men "speaking up" about one time a woman said "nice shirt," they can fuck right off.
Yes like your former situation.
m The only instance of this I’ve seen is a man who was molested by his stepfather (but this also isn’t the first time he’s talked about it). Well, technically he said that he doesn’t want to veer into “me too” territory, but he talks about how the way our society responds to abuse victims just confirms a victim’s fears. I’m not doing his words justice, but I don’t want to copy and paste them here. Suffice to say that I find his post very supportive of women.
But he’s also one of the few guys I know who is a true feminist ally, who seems to listen to women and to get it (as best he can) when we talk about our experiences, who doesn’t mansplain. I don’t think most men could pull this off as well.
What do we think of men joining the #metoo posts with their own #metoos?
I'll say that I may be in the minority, but I don't really see the point in this campaign for women, nonetheless men. Anyone who doesn't know that pretty much every woman has been a victim of, at minimum, sexual harrassment, is not going to pay any attention to this. I will say I think it's tone deaf for men to chime in and seems very #alllivesmatter to me. Sure they do and we can discuss your separate issue another time (and I do think the topic of sexual harassment/assault of men is a worthy topic of conversation)
Fwiw I haven't participated in sharing my story on FB just because I have a lot of family on there and I don't want to get into it with them. But I did participate on another board and seeing the "me toos" have made me feel better about what I experienced, which I internalized and somehow felt was my fault. I was too ashamed to tell anyone and haven't for years until now. As an adult looking back now, I can see that it clearly was not my fault and I (slightly) feel better about it.
Post by 5kcandlesinthewind on Oct 16, 2017 11:48:58 GMT -5
The Belle Jar Facebook page has a post asking men to comment with one tangible thing they're going to do in light of their newfound (or "newfound") knowledge to prevent rape culture. Because all the "me too"s in the world mean nothing if it that's where it ends, regardless of who posts it.
(Edited to add: I don't mean to diminish the impact, so I'm sorry if that came across as flippant. But like a whole lot of other "awareness" things, all of these women -and men - ripping open their wounds publicly means nothing if people don't take something from it and actually work to change their behavior.)
I see both sides: some men are sexually assaulted too and it needs more attention and awareness. But this started as a campaign to show that virtually ALL women experience some form of sexual harassment or assault in response to the heinous actions of Weinstein. Can't women just have a moment?
I have another male friend posting that all the #metoos are a reminder how much male privilege exists.
I see both sides: some men are sexually assaulted too and it needs more attention and awareness. But this started as a campaign to show that virtually ALL women experience some form of sexual harassment or assault in response to the heinous actions of Weinstein. Can't women just have a moment?
I have another male friend posting that all the #metoos are a reminder how much male privilege exists.
I'm having trouble with several like this... they aren't "me too" but instead, let's think about raising our boys different type moms. The ones who see the conversation, but want to basically say, "not my boys."
I think it's safe to say that every woman you know has experienced some form of casual sexism, aggressive misogyny or unwanted sexual advances.
As a mother of boys, it has bothered me for a while that there is now so much institutionalized empowerment of girls to charge into traditionally male-dominated activities and careers - which, don't get me wrong, is a good thing - but we're not, on the same scale, encouraging our boys, in turn, to acknowledge and embrace what we would traditionally think of as female culture and activities and careers and, most importantly, emotional intelligence and self-awareness. How many times have I been told to "be thankful boys are so much easier, they don't get emotional like girls!" Do people really believe this?? It sickens me to know that boys learn to sublimate their (equally complex!) feelings at such a young age. Female empowerment will only go so far if we don't also work on the boys in helping them process their feelings in healthy ways and also embrace their feminine sides as equally wonderful and not demeaning.
Woody Allen is worried this Weinstein thing is going to start a "witch hunt" atmosphere. I bet he doesn't like the "me too" campaign that is trending on social media.
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."
Serious side eye to any celebrity who defends him or works with him.
The statement from Allen needs to also be viewed through the lens that Ronan Farrow, who was essentially his stepson and brother to Allen's victim, was the one who really exposed the Weinstein story.
Woody Allen is worried this Weinstein thing is going to start a "witch hunt" atmosphere. I bet he doesn't like the "me too" campaign that is trending on social media.
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."
Serious side eye to any celebrity who defends him or works with him.
The statement from Allen needs to also be viewed through the lens that Ronan Farrow, who was essentially his stepson and brother to Allen's victim, was the one who really exposed the Weinstein story.
There is one #metoo from a man (a friend of a friend) that I shared. He posted about a time he was a perpetrator and not a victim, and how he felt shamed and never did it again. He was 12 and he and a "friend" formed a club whose goal it was to pinch girls butts any time they had a chance. He lasted one day he pinched the butt of a popular girl he had a crush on, she turned around, looked at him with disdain and walked back to her seat, shaming him. He started listening and seeing it happen over and over, including to his mother who came back from trying to get a loan to expand a business and was turned away because she "wouldn't play the game."
I thought it was a welcome addition and different from the standard "Hey, my wife/girlfriend/mom/sister/daughter... and we need to stop this" posts.
Post by Jalapeñomel on Oct 16, 2017 14:53:50 GMT -5
"You don’t want it to lead to a witch-hunt atmosphere, a Salem atmosphere, where every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either."