That GOP pro-Trumpf clown, Mike Caputo, is on MSNBC is saying "Pap" never got paid, IQ45 doesn't know him, nothing to see folks. Keep on spinning, assholes. "No Collusion". Nope, nope, nope.
Question about papadoupolis (sorry for spelling lol).
Why was there such a push from him to set up a meeting between the Russian government and Trumps campaign if Manafort had all these Russian connections? If Putin wanted to meet trump, or talk to him, surely he could have gone through Manafort. Why were george P’s actions so.....weird and likely not necessary? If Putin was behind Manafort, what role did george Play?
Yeah, so are Manafort's contacts from lobbying mostly Russia-backed Ukrainians or anti-Russian Ukrainians. If they were mostly anti-Russia Ukrainians, then I could see Putin wanting another avenue to influence Trump that wasn't through Manafort, right?
Question about papadoupolis (sorry for spelling lol).
Why was there such a push from him to set up a meeting between the Russian government and Trumps campaign if Manafort had all these Russian connections? If Putin wanted to meet trump, or talk to him, surely he could have gone through Manafort. Why were george P’s actions so.....weird and likely not necessary? If Putin was behind Manafort, what role did george Play?
I'm guessing it was a loyalty test. It was never really about setting up a meeting with Trump. It was about the Russians recruiting people, testing the campaign, etc., and trying to get information about the campaign they could use to blackmail or further advance their own agenda.
Notice how the Russian government never delivered on any of these promises, either to Papadopolous or to Jr.
I wanna know who Papadopoulos met with from the campaign since June/July 2017 (?) when he may have been wearing a wire (i.e., cooperating with FBI).
Also, has any one pieced together who the professor is? Someone out of the UK? Or Seb Gorka?
I am so curious about this too. I hope the FBI worked with Papa to nail Kush/Don Jr and others. Alot of stuff on Russia was heating up over the summer and you'd think everyone would be careful but they are alllll so stupid and dumb so...........
This is off-topic, but I think we do look back on Watergate as a moment, not a shit-show that went on for months+. And Nixon had 24% approval rating when he resigned.
So thinking long-term, if collusion is proven w/Trump playing a role can they undo his executive orders or Supreme Court nominee? I assume no. Is there any recourse on his policy and work to date of dismantling the government?
We need some sort of retroactive constitutional amendment that would allow the removal of all officers, appointees, judges etc for any Russian puppet POTUS removed from office.
So thinking long-term, if collusion is proven w/Trump playing a role can they undo his executive orders or Supreme Court nominee? I assume no. Is there any recourse on his policy and work to date of dismantling the government?
We need some sort of retroactive constitutional amendment that would allow the removal of all officers, appointees, judges etc for any Russian puppet POTUS removed from office.
That was my thought. Not that we would redo the presidential election but folks put into governmental agencies and key roles that are there because of collusion with a foreign power frankly worries me.
Question about papadoupolis (sorry for spelling lol).
Why was there such a push from him to set up a meeting between the Russian government and Trumps campaign if Manafort had all these Russian connections? If Putin wanted to meet trump, or talk to him, surely he could have gone through Manafort. Why were george P’s actions so.....weird and likely not necessary? If Putin was behind Manafort, what role did george Play?
I suspect he was meant to be the fall guy if it came out and as the documents say be under the radar more then Manafort could be as campaign manager.
You guys, the lawyer says (paraphrasing) Manafort was only trying to solidify relations with the our friends overseas and further our democracy. The government has clearly pointed out that IQ45 et al are innocent of collusion.
to be fair, i don't know that anybody wins when this is all said and done. i have a feeling this is far more widespread than we might even want. i don't think this will only obliterate the right..
You are right. I just so badly want them to all go down.
This- the first quote. There is so much money in Washington coming from places that are either illegal like Russia or legal like the NRA, but are not a good idea that they are buying our politicians. All of the money needs to come out of the government so we can get power back to the people rather than foreign countries and corporations and lobbyists.
If they have to take down both sides to do it, be that as it may. I definitely think they problem is widespread. I obviously prefer it doesn't hit the Dems as hard, but if there are politicians that are working with foreign governments on either side or independents then they need to go, IMO.
Schumer just Tweeted: "1st time I can remember the Senate is asked to process 4 influential circuit court judges in a single week. Why is @senatemajldr doing this?"
Is McConnell trying to get in some last, sort-of-permanent, victories?
Post by CheeringCharm on Oct 30, 2017 14:35:57 GMT -5
This article has some interesting speculation re: the purpose of giving Papadopoulos a plea deal:
So what does this have to do with the larger case? I spoke this morning with Barbara McQuade, a professor at the University of Michigan law school who is a former U.S. Attorney and who has worked extensively in criminal and national security cases. I asked: If Papadopoulos was just some low-level nobody tossing around ideas that were rejected by the campaign’s higher-ups, why would Mueller offer him a plea deal that is contingent on his cooperation? Doesn’t that suggest that he has information that can be used to build a case against someone more important than him?
“I think it’s a fair conclusion to think that he has information that is valuable in the prosecution of others,” McQuade says. “You would only offer that cooperation if you’ve sat down with him and learned that he has information that is of value.”
And that appears to be what is happening: in return for what will likely be a reduced sentence, Papadopoulos has agreed to sing. As the letter laying out the terms of the plea agreement says,
“The Government agrees to bring to the Court’s attention at sentencing the defendant’s efforts to cooperate with the Government, on the condition that your client continues to respond and provide information regarding any and all matters as to which the Government deems relevant.”
Who does Papadopoulos have information on? We don’t know. The plea document mentions his discussions (his efforts to set up a meeting with the Russians) with people who are referred to as “Senior Policy Adviser,” “Campaign Supervisor,” and “High-Ranking Campaign Official,” but we don’t know who those are. Then there’s this:
On or about May 4, 2016, the Russian MFA Connection sent an email (the “May 4 MFA Email”) to defendant PAPADOPOULOS and the Professor that stated: ” I have just talked to my colleagues from the MFA. The[y] are open for cooperation. One of the options is to make a meeting for you at the North America Desk, if you are in Moscow.” Defendant PAPADOPOULOS responded that he was “[g]lad the MFA is interested.” Defendant PAPADOPOULOS forwarded the May 4 MFA Email to the High-Ranking Campaign Official, adding: “What do you think? Is this something we want to move forward with?” The next day, on or about May 5, 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS had a phone call with the Campaign Supervisor, and then forwarded the May 4 MFA Email to him, adding to the top of the email: “Russia updates.”
This exchange happened not long before Paul Manafort, Donald Trump Jr., and Jared Kushner had their infamous meeting with representatives of the Russian government who purportedly had damaging information on Clinton to offer. Given that context, it seems rather unlikely that Papadopoulos would not have mentioned the possibility that the Russians had of “dirt” on Clinton contained in “thousands of emails.” But we don’t yet know for sure.
The stuff with having multiple Russian contacts trying to get to the campaign (Manafort, papadumbass, etc.) is straight out of an espionage handbook per my Tom Clancy KGB degree. It seems like they always had multiple routes trying to get to whatever their end goal was so I assume that was the case here. Cut outs, plausible deniability, etc.
The stuff with having multiple Russian contacts trying to get to the campaign (Manafort, papadumbass, etc.) is straight out of an espionage handbook per my Tom Clancy KGB degree. It seems like they always had multiple routes trying to get to whatever their end goal was so I assume that was the case here. Cut outs, plausible deniability, etc.
Yes, and this is another piece that annoys me about the uranium bullshit that they are spewing. They keep trying to make something of the fact that a Russian spy was trying to get close to Clinton. Well, no shit. I'm sure they would have loved to compromise her. The only significant part of that storyline is that they failed.
I wanna know who Papadopoulos met with from the campaign since June/July 2017 (?) when he may have been wearing a wire (i.e., cooperating with FBI).
Also, has any one pieced together who the professor is? Someone out of the UK? Or Seb Gorka?
I am so curious about this too. I hope the FBI worked with Papa to nail Kush/Don Jr and others. Alot of stuff on Russia was heating up over the summer and you'd think everyone would be careful but they are alllll so stupid and dumb so...........
WaPo has identified him as Joseph Mifsud from the London Academy of Diplomacy.