Post by seeyalater52 on Dec 15, 2017 16:08:16 GMT -5
But also not really happy because this bill wrecked me physically, gave me pneumonia, and broke my brain. You know how hard it is to lobby on an issue area you know barely anything about?? No one has time for this shit!
Post by biscoffcookies on Dec 15, 2017 16:32:34 GMT -5
I truly don't understand Corker's flip. They didn't even give him something teeny so that he could point at it and be like, "OK the bill isn't perfect, but they tried to address my concern by making it a smidge better." He literally is like, "this bill grows the defecit by $1.5 trillon, just like the old one that I voted against, but....oh well."
He's not the deciding vote, so it doesn't matter if he votes yes to the bill. He's not running for re-election, so he doesn't need to worry about how this would play out in a campaign or with respect to party support. So.....why? I just don't get the incentives here to throw a big fit on the floor during the Senate vote, vote no on the bill before, and then be like LOLOLOL JK given his particular circumstances.
I'm overly fixated on logic and rationality, but I want to understand the calculus here!!!
OTOH, I find myself not even mad at Rubio for agreeing to support the bill in light of the changes to the child tax credit. He said he wanted to improve the child tax credit, and he got it. It's not as MUCH as it could have been improved, surely, but he got something. It's not like he said, "I want this!" they said "NO!" and he said, "Oh, ok then." He got a concession! There's logic here!!!! I can understand it!!
Post by seeyalater52 on Dec 15, 2017 16:36:21 GMT -5
Corker is a Republican. He wants tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations more than he wants to prevent the deficit from increasing. He wants to vote for this because it’s probably his last chance to do much of anything as an elected official and he wants to go down supporting his party and the principles he cares about.
It’s inconsistent with his other vote but he is kind of a dummy and it’s not the first time he’s flip flopped like this.
Corker is a Republican. He wants tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations more than he wants to prevent the deficit from increasing. He wants to vote for this because it’s probably his last chance to do much of anything as an elected official and he wants to go down supporting his party and the principles he cares about.
It’s inconsistent with his other vote but he is kind of a dummy and it’s not the first time he’s flip flopped like this.
ALL OF THIS.
Look, y'all need to stop caping for Corker. That dude ain't worth two dead damn flies IMHO. He JUST NOW decided to be anti-Trump because he ain't running ... FOR NOW. Dollars to donuts he re-emerges in 2020 as a GOP nominee.
Andplusalso, I still have NEVER forgiven him for that Racist, Hey Harold, Call Me ad. Ford Jr. is up the creek anyway, but I hold grudges politically, so Corker ain't never ish and will never be ish.
Post by seeyalater52 on Dec 15, 2017 16:48:03 GMT -5
If people start hero-worshipping or thanking Rubio for increasing the fucking child tax credit in exchange for cutting the timeframe of individual tax cuts I am going to have to hand in my resignation along with my sanity.
Not a single person should be calling that moron with thanks. We are all just as screwed under this bill as we were before he struck this deal, and he’s about to take a very bad vote.
If people start hero-worshipping or thanking Rubio for increasing the fucking child tax credit in exchange for cutting the timeframe of individual tax cuts I am going to have to hand in my resignation along with my sanity.
Not a single person should be calling that moron with thanks. We are all just as screwed under this bill as we were before he struck this deal, and he’s about to take a very bad vote.
Stop the madness.
I haven’t confirmed but I think he (Rubio) just increased the refundable part of the child tax credit. So better for low income/no tax liability people, but like, not great.
If people start hero-worshipping or thanking Rubio for increasing the fucking child tax credit in exchange for cutting the timeframe of individual tax cuts I am going to have to hand in my resignation along with my sanity.
Not a single person should be calling that moron with thanks. We are all just as screwed under this bill as we were before he struck this deal, and he’s about to take a very bad vote.
Stop the madness.
I haven’t confirmed but I think he (Rubio) just increased the refundable part of the child tax credit. So better for low income/no tax liability people, but like, not great.
Yes, that’s what I’m hearing. It’s still rubbish and the bill is still rubbish and Rubio deserves no one’s thanks.
If people start hero-worshipping or thanking Rubio for increasing the fucking child tax credit in exchange for cutting the timeframe of individual tax cuts I am going to have to hand in my resignation along with my sanity.
Not a single person should be calling that moron with thanks. We are all just as screwed under this bill as we were before he struck this deal, and he’s about to take a very bad vote.
Stop the madness.
I'm not hero-worshiping or thanking -- I was just trying to say that I felt that there was some logic to his actions!!
Corker is a Republican. He wants tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations more than he wants to prevent the deficit from increasing. He wants to vote for this because it’s probably his last chance to do much of anything as an elected official and he wants to go down supporting his party and the principles he cares about.
It’s inconsistent with his other vote but he is kind of a dummy and it’s not the first time he’s flip flopped like this.
ALL OF THIS.
Look, y'all need to stop caping for Corker. That dude ain't worth two dead damn flies IMHO. He JUST NOW decided to be anti-Trump because he ain't running ... FOR NOW. Dollars to donuts he re-emerges in 2020 as a GOP nominee.
Andplusalso, I still have NEVER forgiven him for that Racist, Hey Harold, Call Me ad. Ford Jr. is up the creek anyway, but I hold grudges politically, so Corker ain't never ish and will never be ish.
I'm happy you are back because you have the best expressions!
If people start hero-worshipping or thanking Rubio for increasing the fucking child tax credit in exchange for cutting the timeframe of individual tax cuts I am going to have to hand in my resignation along with my sanity.
Not a single person should be calling that moron with thanks. We are all just as screwed under this bill as we were before he struck this deal, and he’s about to take a very bad vote.
Stop the madness.
I'm not hero-worshiping or thanking -- I was just trying to say that I felt that there was some logic to his actions!!
Don't blacklist me!
I would never blacklist you. <3
I am taking more generally. I just got off the phone with our Florida partners and it’s going to be an uphill climb to force accountability because they did too much reinforcement on Rubio’s opposition on the tax credit instead of sticking with the main message. Ugh. I’m glad I got my voice back because it’s going to require some hand-holding to get this back on track. This is why we don’t applaud for half-measures, it’s going to give everyone whiplash.
ETA: i think there was logic from Rubio but not what everyone is reading into it. He was exploited to make the party and their pet bill look better and that succeeded. That’s the logic, to make Republicans look like humanitarians. And it worked so BOO.
Twitter is reporting the Cruz 529 amendment is in the final bill, which is the one that allows the use of 529s to pay for private K-12.
CRUZ IS TRASH.
I’m pissed because I really think they’re going to get away with this. Everyone is too relieved about the little crumbs they doled out in conference and not nearly angry enough.
Twitter is reporting the Cruz 529 amendment is in the final bill, which is the one that allows the use of 529s to pay for private K-12.
CRUZ IS TRASH.
I’m pissed because I really think they’re going to get away with this. Everyone is too relieved about the little crumbs they doled out in conference and not nearly angry enough.
Yeah, I don't think you're wrong. Even I find myself being like, "oh, this is not nearly as bad as it could have been!" as I saw all the deductions they preserved, etc. And with all of the major changes, and the fast timeline, it is hard to keep everything and the likely effects straight.
And also, to some degree, I think people are just almost getting resigned. They have made endless calls and seen the protests and Tweeted and etc., and yet they see that the Republicans are basically completely nonresponsive to what people want as well as evidence that suggests their preferred policies are problematic. I am starting to feel that people -- even though angry -- are starting to feel like "what's the point" in calling or showing up at town halls or what have you because they feel -- correctly -- that it doesn't matter what they say. And I feel like GOP ignoring of their constituents post-Virginia and Alabama is going to get worse -- if they truly feel like their time in the majority is limited ANYWAY, they are going to try to grab as many victories in the time they have left regardless of what their constituents want. Sigh.
I’m pissed because I really think they’re going to get away with this. Everyone is too relieved about the little crumbs they doled out in conference and not nearly angry enough.
Yeah, I don't think you're wrong. Even I find myself being like, "oh, this is not nearly as bad as it could have been!" as I saw all the deductions they preserved, etc. And with all of the major changes, and the fast timeline, it is hard to keep everything and the likely effects straight.
And also, to some degree, I think people are just almost getting resigned. They have made endless calls and seen the protests and Tweeted and etc., and yet they see that the Republicans are basically completely nonresponsive to what people want as well as evidence that suggests their preferred policies are problematic. I am starting to feel that people -- even though angry -- are starting to feel like "what's the point" in calling or showing up at town halls or what have you because they feel -- correctly -- that it doesn't matter what they say. And I feel like GOP ignoring of their constituents post-Virginia and Alabama is going to get worse -- if they truly feel like their time in the majority is limited ANYWAY, they are going to try to grab as many victories in the time they have left regardless of what their constituents want. Sigh.
Hah! Did you see me in the other thread? I just cant let how bad the bill is erase all the other things they didn’t get to do, especially when we have some control over the health insurance outcomes this way. Like, be mad, but be smart about it too and don’t perpetuate the idea that the marketplaces will fail because that perception alone is enough to make them fail. Rock/hard place.
I am hoping the Virginia and Alabama elections will motivate people to show up when it counts the most - during midterms. I still do believe we could make incredible gains, especially in the House. But it’s tiring and demoralizing and these issues are complicated and I just don’t think people feel ready to face it or like they can win if they do. I’m hoping the rousing fight to save Medicaid - that I think we can win - will energize people this spring and summer.
Your average American doesn't care about long term implications. Give them an extra $250, and they're good. And then when these "tax breaks" go away, it's likely that Dems will hold power and get blamed for it. Because all that matters is right now. Past is never remembered. Blame always falls on those in charge when the shit hits the fan.
Post by formerlyak on Dec 16, 2017 22:49:39 GMT -5
Anyone know if the proposed property and state and local income tax up to $10k deduction is $10k for property and $10k for state and local? Or just $10k total for both? If it’s for both, it’s really not anything good. In a high cost of living area, your property tax alone will be close to that $10k if it’s not over. And is it only if you have enough other deductions to itemize? Because if so, it really helps no one.
Anyone know if the proposed property and state and local income tax up to $10k deduction is $10k for property and $10k for state and local? Or just $10k total for both? If it’s for both, it’s really not anything good. In a high cost of living area, your property tax alone will be close to that $10k if it’s not over. And is it only if you have enough other deductions to itemize? Because if so, it really helps no one.
Both, I think, but I'm also pretty dumb about taxes in general. There's a calculator someone posted on MM from a Reddit thread, and we look a helluva lot better off on paper when we don't include our property taxes. I didn't have that info immediately available when I did the calculator the first time, and when I added mortgage + property taxes we get $50/month instead of $1k/month and was told we shouldn't itemize anymore. Granted, I don't really want an extra $1k/month to show up because that'd be painful once this fuckery gets sorted out by a new Congress and a real-life president instead of an orange man child.
Anyone know if the proposed property and state and local income tax up to $10k deduction is $10k for property and $10k for state and local? Or just $10k total for both? If it’s for both, it’s really not anything good. In a high cost of living area, your property tax alone will be close to that $10k if it’s not over. And is it only if you have enough other deductions to itemize? Because if so, it really helps no one.
It is both combined, and only if you can itemize over the new thresholds. It modestly will probably help single filers with higher incomes and taxes. If I was single and living my exact same life, I would be over the new $12k standard deduction by July. But they've doubled the deduction threshold for married filiers while not increasing the $10k SALT limit at all, so there is a fun marriage penalty component associated with it in addition to it being downright ridiculous.