I don't think the regs "requirement" is a real requirement? It's just some bullshit posturing thing that makes no sense as far as I know. Now, that doesn't mean that they're going to issue regs that are timely or adequate (or at all) but I don't think this is really the reason why they won't do it.
Yeah if it's not a law it's not a real thing. They could issue new regs if they wanted to! Not that they will, but the EO isn't the reason why, it's because they love to cause chaos.
I was just forwarded an email from a big 4 accounting firm. They said that the White House is evaluating the possibility of signing the bill in January. The delay would be tied to the application of the “PAYGO” (which I know nothing about but have heard that term from seeyalater52 ) rules and the need to obtain a waiver of the rules to avoid Auto sequestration cuts in entitlement programs (I.e Medicare). Signing in 2018 could delay the trigger until 2019 and it’s been anticipated that the waiver would be included in the govt funding bill that is to be acted on by end of week. Unsure if dems would support the paygo waiver.
Edit: no link since I revived this via email but a coworker said it was also mentioned in the Wall Street journal. Not sure if 45 would give a flying fuck about paygo and want to sign it for optics on 12/25 or before as a Christmas present.
We are hearing the same thing. It looks like the White House is leaning toward signing in January but who knows since Trump is always such a wild card. We don't have any updates about whether Dems will support the PAYGO waiver in the CR. Right now it's looking like they'll probably just pass the CR instead of doing the budget and table anything that was supposed to be riding on it (PAYGO, CHIP reauthorization, DREAM act, etc.) until Jan 19th but perhaps they can hammer something out by Friday. If it's just the CR I haven't heard much chatter about them waiving PAYGO since that is more complex than the CR which is meant as a placeholder.
So after all that rush to pass the law, leading to a bill that is riddled with mistakes and errors and loopholes, it won’t be signed into law for weeks?? They could have used some of that time to like, you know, make sure that the bill is a slightly better product? Wtf was with the rush then???
seeyalater52 I also saw those articles about them already beating the drumbeat of Obamacare repeal. I want to break things. Also because in the article I read Cornyn was like “maybe this will be the impetus he Democrats need to work with us on a bipartisan solution,” and basically I would just really like the GOP to stop wailing about how Ds aren’t being “bipartisan” when their definition of that word is “signing whatever bill we write without complaint or modification.”
Post by miniroller on Dec 20, 2017 17:25:57 GMT -5
Multiple people close to the WH just told me @realdonaldtrump is furious his tax bill isn’t being celebrated. Ranting & raving about how the press should be touting it as the biggest accomplishment of any president in the history of this country. What a pathetic nutjob. Sad!
We are hearing the same thing. It looks like the White House is leaning toward signing in January but who knows since Trump is always such a wild card. We don't have any updates about whether Dems will support the PAYGO waiver in the CR. Right now it's looking like they'll probably just pass the CR instead of doing the budget and table anything that was supposed to be riding on it (PAYGO, CHIP reauthorization, DREAM act, etc.) until Jan 19th but perhaps they can hammer something out by Friday. If it's just the CR I haven't heard much chatter about them waiving PAYGO since that is more complex than the CR which is meant as a placeholder.
So after all that rush to pass the law, leading to a bill that is riddled with mistakes and errors and loopholes, it won’t be signed into law for weeks?? They could have used some of that time to like, you know, make sure that the bill is a slightly better product? Wtf was with the rush then???
seeyalater52 I also saw those articles about them already beating the drumbeat of Obamacare repeal. I want to break things. Also because in the article I read Cornyn was like “maybe this will be the impetus he Democrats need to work with us on a bipartisan solution,” and basically I would just really like the GOP to stop wailing about how Ds aren’t being “bipartisan” when their definition of that word is “signing whatever bill we write without complaint or modification.”
Jones was the rush. Although that’s also stupid because they’d have passed it even so with this margin.
I’m hoping it means enough of a margin in the House to prevent additional terrible bills from making it through Congress.
Not that the governor of PR has a lot of sway over that particular revenge, but it’s the fastest way to make this nightmare end, or at least slow it down substantially.
Considering all the Puerto Ricans who have fled to FL, I assume it means that he'll be urging all those folks to get active and vote. They're U.S. citizens, and even though they can't vote in anything but presidential primaries when they live on the island, if they are FL residents then they'll get to vote in FL elections.
FL already has over 1 million people from PR, that's a lot of potential influence and motivated boots on the ground to work against this administration & the GOP.
I’m hoping it means enough of a margin in the House to prevent additional terrible bills from making it through Congress.
Not that the governor of PR has a lot of sway over that particular revenge, but it’s the fastest way to make this nightmare end, or at least slow it down substantially.
I think in the states where there are a large number of PR expats it could make difference. There are districts in FL and TX that could flip.
Yeah if it's not a law it's not a real thing. They could issue new regs if they wanted to! Not that they will, but the EO isn't the reason why, it's because they love to cause chaos.
Word in my industry is that they (IRS) don't have the staff capacity to issue the regs, even if they wanted to or were otherwise directed to do so. Rumor is that it is going to take a looooong ass time to get anything out of them as far as regs and implementation guidance. So, yay! [sarcasm]SaveSave
I’m hoping it means enough of a margin in the House to prevent additional terrible bills from making it through Congress.
Not that the governor of PR has a lot of sway over that particular revenge, but it’s the fastest way to make this nightmare end, or at least slow it down substantially.
I think in the states where there are a large number of PR expats it could make difference. There are districts in FL and TX that could flip.
Please let this happen. The irony of these two states making things flip would make me flip the eff out.
This is totally a possibility! And something we’ve been working on for years so the ground game is already there to he leveraged in the wake of the hurricane (as awful as that circumstance is.) Honestly though I think it’s more settled migrants who will have the greatest sway in terms of showing new-to-the-mainland folks the ropes in terms of voting in national elections, getting registered, and getting to the polls. But at least in the communities where we’ve worked it seems like Puerto Ricans are incredibly loyal to PR and very plugged into media back home but not big fans of most of their politicians and government structures that they feel have failed them. I’m not sure if that translates to skepticism about the Gov specifically but I’ll be interested to see if his comments are helping or alienating prospective voters who have recently arrived.
Oh, feel free to be hateful. 22.4% of Kentuckians are on welfare, not including those on temporary programs such as TANF. That’s a full quarter of the state viewed as long-term disabled. And some of them vote. Add in those that have used temporary assistance and the number is even higher. And there are plenty NOT on welfare that don’t want to see reform. Turtle is up for re-election in 2020 and the tax reform has made him plenty hated so he’s not going to be aggressive in a second event so close to the first. He’s not stupid. He’s a politician. He’s waiting for the dust to die down from tax reform before he starts in on the next something that’s going to harm his constituency, especially as 2020 approaches.
Oh, feel free to be hateful. 22.4% of Kentuckians are on welfare, not including those on temporary programs such as TANF. That’s a full quarter of the state viewed as long-term disabled. And some of them vote. Add in those that have used temporary assistance and the number is even higher. And there are plenty NOT on welfare that don’t want to see reform. Turtle is up for re-election in 2020 and the tax reform has made him plenty hated so he’s not going to be aggressive in a second event so close to the first. He’s not stupid. He’s a politician. He’s waiting for the dust to die down from tax reform before he starts in on the next something that’s going to harm his constituency, especially as 2020 approaches.
Oh believe me I loathe him. I honestly think he'd rather do ACA repeal than entitlement reform. That's never been as much of a thing for him as it has for Ryan. If they do ACA repeal they can get Medicaid but probably not SNAP, SSDI, or Medicare and for McConnell that's probably "good enough."
I will be so happy if he retires before his next election.
Post by mrs.jacinthe on Dec 21, 2017 14:40:37 GMT -5
I live in a VERY red county in CA. This morning, our town's FB was full of folks complaining about cuts to entitlements... Weirdly enough, this gives me just a little hope.
This gets to something I mentioned in another thread. This bill is truly an unprecedented form of chaos. The biggest thing to slow business and consumer spending and job creation is uncertainty. Huge businesses may be able to figure it out quickly but millions of smaller businesses and regular people are going to be completely jammed up by this mess.
Yes, he is babbling on MSNBC right now about it. He makes no sense and is lying as usual.
He’s embarrassing. I really expected a giant production for this signing and am disappointed he signed it at his desk. At least do it in front of a Christmas tree!!
I saw the quote about “I saw on TV this morning that people were saying ‘would he sign it?’ And I said ‘get it ready to sign.’” Ohhh but we don’t have time to watch TV right??
Post by seeyalater52 on Dec 22, 2017 11:35:14 GMT -5
Oh no? He signed it already? Fuuuuuuck. The PAYGO thing hasn’t been settled yet so that’s bad news for Medicare in 2018. He was expected to hold off on signing until the new year for this reason so the cuts wouldn’t go into effect until 2019 (and more time for Congress to course correct.) FML.
Oh no? He signed it already? Fuuuuuuck. The PAYGO thing hasn’t been settled yet so that’s bad news for Medicare in 2018. He was expected to hold off on signing until the new year for this reason so the cuts wouldn’t go into effect until 2019 (and more time for Congress to course correct.) FML.
Oh no? He signed it already? Fuuuuuuck. The PAYGO thing hasn’t been settled yet so that’s bad news for Medicare in 2018. He was expected to hold off on signing until the new year for this reason so the cuts wouldn’t go into effect until 2019 (and more time for Congress to course correct.) FML.
I thought they signed a waiver yesterday?
Oh did they? I’ve been on vacation so I admit I’m not following that closely anymore. #selfpreservation