Maddow’s interview with Parnas is starting. Her lead up mentions that Parnas drops bombshells & makes accusations about not only Trump, but Pence and Barr.
Watching the Maddow interview and it reminds me of the Mueller stuff with all these random shady characters. The Hyde guy seems like a prize. So is Len trying to stay out of jail? Is that his motivation? He’ll be on Anderson tomorrow.
Post by curbsideprophet on Jan 15, 2020 22:06:10 GMT -5
I am little behind on the Maddow interview but Parnas makes it sound like Hyde could have been drunk for three days straight. Parnas thought he was drunk all the time.
Sounds like Barr, Pence and Bolton all need to testify.
Post by DotAndBuzz on Jan 15, 2020 22:20:31 GMT -5
Haven’t gotten to watch it yet, but what’s Parnas’ goal here? Surely he’s not doing this out of the goodness of his heart. Is this a “well, I’m going down, so I’m going to take EVERYONE with me”?
Haven’t gotten to watch it yet, but what’s Parnas’ goal here? Surely he’s not doing this out of the goodness of his heart. Is this a “well, I’m going down, so I’m going to take EVERYONE with me”?
Maddow said she basically thinks he’s just trying to stay alive. He thinks the more his information is out there the safer he is.
Watching that interview was crazy. H and I wavered between, “Well, OF COURSE Trump knew!” to “Holy shit this is crazy. Are we in a crazy conspiracy hole, like a liberal version of Pizzagate?”
I want to see more evidence from Parnas, but after this interview, senators are crazy not to want to call witnesses. WTF
Lev was very shifty about the texts with Hyde. I think he was lying about how he thought "Hyde was just drunk."
Because to say he knew about a potential hit being taken out on a US diplomat would really implicate him further.
He knew what was going on. He might have not thought Hyde was being super serious. But he knew that Hyde was crazy like a fox. And I don't doubt there were convos about having eyes on Maria.
Post by turnipthebeet on Jan 16, 2020 7:00:39 GMT -5
Tbh though, when I read the other day the messages between Hyde and Parnas. I did notice that Parnas didn’t really respond frequently and when he did, his only response was, “interesting”. It’s how I would respond to someone who I wasn’t entirely aligned with but didn’t want to piss off, you know?
Was it here or twitter that I read the speculation that Parnas is still working for/with Russia, who doesn’t really give a shit about Trump but rather is trying to sow discord and weaken America’s standing?
Tbh though, when I read the other day the messages between Hyde and Parnas. I did notice that Parnas didn’t really respond frequently and when he did, his only response was, “interesting”. It’s how I would respond to someone who I wasn’t entirely aligned with but didn’t want to piss off, you know?
Was it here or twitter that I read the speculation that Parnas is still working for/with Russia, who doesn’t really give a shit about Trump but rather is trying to sow discord and weaken America’s standing?
I’ll have to see what the reasons are behind that theory because I will be annoyed if he’s being accused of dual loyalties just due to being Soviet-born. He arrived in the US at age 3. Not that I care about him, but anti-immigrant rhetoric is so harmful (which I know you know).
And yes, I also respond that way when I don’t want to make incriminating statements in writing.
Ukrainian police say they have opened an investigation into the possibility that the former U.S. ambassador came under illegal surveillance before she was recalled from her post.
The announcement Thursday came two days after Democratic lawmakers in the United States released a trove of documents that showed Lev Parnas, an associate of President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, communicating about the removal of Marie Yovanovitch as the ambassador to Ukraine.
The Ukrainian Interior Ministry, which runs the police forces, said in a statement that Ukrainian police “are not interfering in the internal political affairs of the United States.”
Rachel broke the Parnas interview into 2 so they could do additional reporting, the Government Accountability Office released a report stating that the administration violated the law by withholding military aid to Ukraine, impeachment, just to name a few options.
Does anyone follow emptywheel on twitter. I admit, I'm not following all of her tweets, but this one really confuses me.
emptywheel @emptywheel The easiest way to get a Dem to embrace disinformation is to say what they want to hear abt who is implicated in very real Russian scandal.
That's what Parnas did tonight.
Stop wanting the things you most want to be true to be true.
Does anyone follow emptywheel on twitter. I admit, I'm not following all of her tweets, but this one really confuses me.
Basically she's saying to not turn the situation into Pizzagate or Benghazi. Yeah, Pence has been implicated, but there's really not enough evidence to start calling for his impeachment.
Does anyone follow emptywheel on twitter. I admit, I'm not following all of her tweets, but this one really confuses me.
Basically she's saying to not turn the situation into Pizzagate or Benghazi. Yeah, Pence has been implicated, but there's really not enough evidence to start calling for his impeachment.
Basically she's saying to not turn the situation into Pizzagate or Benghazi. Yeah, Pence has been implicated, but there's really not enough evidence to start calling for his impeachment.
Do people think we're headed down this road?
I think there are certain factions of people that will. It's just a good reminder to pump the brakes once in a while and do a quick fact check.
Post by dutchgirl678 on Jan 16, 2020 12:23:33 GMT -5
Barb McQuade was on Lawrence O'Donnell yesterday saying the same thing. Parnas had some evidence to corroborate his shady dealings with Rudy Giuliani and Rudy has the letter to Ukraine officials about having a meeting as the personal counsel to the President. But other things that Parnas stated during the interview need further investigation. We don't have any proof that Pence or Barr are in on this at the moment. We need to hear from Bolton. Parnas also sounded a bit shifty when discussing Hyde and the texts about Yovanovitch. The Ukrainian government has opened an investigation now into that (!). Also, the FBI went to the home and business of Robert Hyde yesterday, so I'm sure they will be investigating this from his side too.
I would really like to have Devin Nunes kicked off the Intelligence committee as he is implicated in the Ukraine scandal. Ideally, he should just resign alltogether, but I know he won't.
Barb McQuade was on Lawrence O'Donnell yesterday saying the same thing. Parnas had some evidence to corroborate his shady dealings with Rudy Giuliani and Rudy has the letter to Ukraine officials about having a meeting as the personal counsel to the President. But other things that Parnas stated during the interview need further investigation. We don't have any proof that Pence or Barr are in on this at the moment. We need to hear from Bolton. Parnas also sounded a bit shifty when discussing Hyde and the texts about Yovanovitch. The Ukrainian government has opened an investigation now into that (!). Also, the FBI went to the home and business of Robert Hyde yesterday, so I'm sure they will be investigating this from his side too.
I would really like to have Devin Nunes kicked off the Intelligence committee as he is implicated in the Ukraine scandal. Ideally, he should just resign alltogether, but I know he won't.
Great point!!
Isn’t it funny that the only announcement Ukraine made is doing an investigation is one on Trumps “team”, not Biden! This blew up in Trumps face!
Basically she's saying to not turn the situation into Pizzagate or Benghazi. Yeah, Pence has been implicated, but there's really not enough evidence to start calling for his impeachment.
Do people think we're headed down this road?
I think it needs to be looked into, for sure.
But I don't think that dems should pursue impeachment of Pence unless there's something absolutely iron clad implicating him knowingly, actively, committing a crime. To go down that road for anything less will come across as "witch hunt-y," and IMO, will set up democrats for HUGE losses in November. Especially since it leads us to a President Pelosi. America is just now, just BARELY in support of impeachment. To head down the road to take out Pence would be handing the executive and legislative branch back to the Republicans in November.
I hate that I feel like they should weigh the political consequences of taking action if he was involved, and for sure they need to validate and investigate what Parnas said. But I hope they are very careful here, at least for the time being.
Tbh though, when I read the other day the messages between Hyde and Parnas. I did notice that Parnas didn’t really respond frequently and when he did, his only response was, “interesting”. It’s how I would respond to someone who I wasn’t entirely aligned with but didn’t want to piss off, you know?
Was it here or twitter that I read the speculation that Parnas is still working for/with Russia, who doesn’t really give a shit about Trump but rather is trying to sow discord and weaken America’s standing?
No, that is how someone responds understanding the implications of what they are saying and smart enough to not say much or anything. The mob doesn't just text people or talk in direct terms.
President Donald Trump continues to insist he doesn't know Lev Parnas, an associate of Trump's personal attorney who now says the President was aware of efforts to surface dirt on political rivals.
Speaking in the Oval Office, Trump said he didn't know anything about Parnas, with whom he's posed in photographs.
"I don't know him at all, don't know what he's about, don't know where he comes from, know nothing about him. I can only tell you this thing is a big hoax," he said, adding, "He's probably trying to make a deal for himself."