Question - I googled, but I'm obviously not using the right terms - how long are you sick if you do get covid-19? Is there an approximate, "I feel awful" timeline?
Post by Patsy Baloney on Feb 25, 2020 17:16:06 GMT -5
pixy0stix I just got to this part in the article pugz posted: Mild cases recover in about 2 weeks from the time they showed symptoms, while severe cases can take 3 to 6 weeks to recover.
I can't remember if I've read that before, but it seems vaguely familiar to me.
Question - I googled, but I'm obviously not using the right terms - how long are you sick if you do get covid-19? Is there an approximate, "I feel awful" timeline?
This is often referred to as "course", so coronavirus course length.
It usually varies based on comorbities and overall health/age. I've seen anywhere from 10-24 days.
Also, I am just reading through this. I researched the flu for years. My boss did TONS of work on the 1918 flu. I do not see these as similar. 1918 flu was different because it seemed to hit young and healthy people more than others. Coronavirus is not the same (so far).
I'm not in panic territory yet. The flu is worse this year for me still. I've been keeping a close eye on it and obviously seeing cases increasing quickly but it's worldwide numbers which can seem inflated. Not to say don't prepare, but face masks aren't going to do what you think they are and I wouldn't go full on doomsday.
Also, I am just reading through this. I researched the flu for years. My boss did TONS of work on the 1918 flu. I do not see these as similar. 1918 flu was different because it seemed to hit young and healthy people more than others. Coronavirus is not the same (so far).
I'm not in panic territory yet. The flu is worse this year for me still. I've been keeping a close eye on it and obviously seeing cases increasing quickly but it's worldwide numbers which can seem inflated. Not to say don't prepare, but face masks aren't going to do what you think they are and I wouldn't go full on doomsday.
H1N1 was the 1918 flu and the 2009 flu. I don't know enough about the flu to know if they really were the same or same at a high level but actually different on a scientific level? One of the things I just read was that they considered "over 50" to be more at risk, but that's hardly old. I got H1N1 in 2009 and had to go to the ER because I wasn't responding to treatments at urgent care. Shocked the shit out of me because I was "young and healthy." Remembering how that felt is one of the big reasons I'm panicking a tiny bit, especially after reading the age 50 designation. I'm closer to 50 than I'd like to believe.
Also, I am just reading through this. I researched the flu for years. My boss did TONS of work on the 1918 flu. I do not see these as similar. 1918 flu was different because it seemed to hit young and healthy people more than others. Coronavirus is not the same (so far).
I'm not in panic territory yet. The flu is worse this year for me still. I've been keeping a close eye on it and obviously seeing cases increasing quickly but it's worldwide numbers which can seem inflated. Not to say don't prepare, but face masks aren't going to do what you think they are and I wouldn't go full on doomsday.
H1N1 was the 1918 flu and the 2009 flu. I don't know enough about the flu to know if they really were the same or same at a high level but actually different on a scientific level? One of the things I just read was that they considered "over 50" to be more at risk, but that's hardly old. I got H1N1 in 2009 and had to go to the ER because I wasn't responding to treatments at urgent care. Shocked the shit out of me because I was "young and healthy." Remembering how that felt is one of the big reasons I'm panicking a tiny bit, especially after reading the age 50 designation. I'm closer to 50 than I'd like to believe.
H1N1 suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked. I was out of work for 2 weeks and didn't fully recover until 6 months later. I did get abs of steel from it, though.
H1N1 was the 1918 flu and the 2009 flu. I don't know enough about the flu to know if they really were the same or same at a high level but actually different on a scientific level? One of the things I just read was that they considered "over 50" to be more at risk, but that's hardly old. I got H1N1 in 2009 and had to go to the ER because I wasn't responding to treatments at urgent care. Shocked the shit out of me because I was "young and healthy." Remembering how that felt is one of the big reasons I'm panicking a tiny bit, especially after reading the age 50 designation. I'm closer to 50 than I'd like to believe.
H1N1 suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked. I was out of work for 2 weeks and didn't fully recover until 6 months later. I did get abs of steel from it, though.
It really did. I could only sleep propped up. If I laid all the way down, I'd wake up gasping.
Post by SusanBAnthony on Feb 25, 2020 20:00:53 GMT -5
I went to Target and spent 200$ on random nonperishables, sick food (Gatorade, etc) and random OTC meds.
I "hid" it in our over the fridge cupboard so we don't accidentally eat it.
200$ and it feels like laughably little food to feed 4 people for 2 weeks. But I guess we probably wouldn't all be sick at once so whoever isn't sick is going to have to like make bread with the flour we have in the cupboard or cook dry beans or something. But it isn't going to be tasty over at our house.
Also, I am just reading through this. I researched the flu for years. My boss did TONS of work on the 1918 flu. I do not see these as similar. 1918 flu was different because it seemed to hit young and healthy people more than others. Coronavirus is not the same (so far).
I'm not in panic territory yet. The flu is worse this year for me still. I've been keeping a close eye on it and obviously seeing cases increasing quickly but it's worldwide numbers which can seem inflated. Not to say don't prepare, but face masks aren't going to do what you think they are and I wouldn't go full on doomsday.
H1N1 was the 1918 flu and the 2009 flu. I don't know enough about the flu to know if they really were the same or same at a high level but actually different on a scientific level? One of the things I just read was that they considered "over 50" to be more at risk, but that's hardly old. I got H1N1 in 2009 and had to go to the ER because I wasn't responding to treatments at urgent care. Shocked the shit out of me because I was "young and healthy." Remembering how that felt is one of the big reasons I'm panicking a tiny bit, especially after reading the age 50 designation. I'm closer to 50 than I'd like to believe.
PDQ the last paragraph because I may delete.
Posting from my phone so I apologize for typos and brevity.
A lot of the concern about 1918 was because of who it hit the hardest. Current (and recent) flu seasons don’t *usually* hit young and/or healthy people. Of course there are outliers and a lot of that can’t be predicted or explained sadly.
In general, my lab believed H1N1 to hit harder than say H3N2. ***deleted***
Big outbreaks have started happening more frequently, and when they do the answer is to shut the schools down. So even if you're not a big prepper, having a plan for prolonged school closure will probably be a good idea. (In all fairness, it's good to have that in place anyway, regardless of why the school is shut.)
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We have had flu shutdown every February for the past 4 years. Usually it’s 3 days attached to a weekend but one year we were off two days (Monday/Tuesday), they had us come back Wednesday and then we were out Thurs/Friday plus some the next week. That did annoy me. I call it flucation and don’t really mind it but it doesn’t fuck up my life because I’m a SAHM.
Part of the problem here I think is that it has become an every year thing and people start panicking and asking when it’s going to happen. We have ten built in snow days that don’t get used so I think it doesn’t feel risky to anyone (like we’d have to go to school longer in the summer). I think it’s become a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. I just wish it was more predictable so I could plan a vacation...
H1N1 was the 1918 flu and the 2009 flu. I don't know enough about the flu to know if they really were the same or same at a high level but actually different on a scientific level? One of the things I just read was that they considered "over 50" to be more at risk, but that's hardly old. I got H1N1 in 2009 and had to go to the ER because I wasn't responding to treatments at urgent care. Shocked the shit out of me because I was "young and healthy." Remembering how that felt is one of the big reasons I'm panicking a tiny bit, especially after reading the age 50 designation. I'm closer to 50 than I'd like to believe.
PDQ the last paragraph because I may delete.
Posting from my phone so I apologize for typos and brevity.
A lot of the concern about 1918 was because of who it hit the hardest. Current (and recent) flu seasons don’t *usually* hit young and/or healthy people. Of course there are outliers and a lot of that can’t be predicted or explained sadly.
I'd be interested in your lab's work!
Wasn't part of the reason younger people were so affected by H1N1 in 2009 due to the fact that there was an outbreak of it in the middle of the 20th century, so the older people that were expected to be sick actually had some immunity to it? The PSAs from that time were very entertaining.
Posting from my phone so I apologize for typos and brevity.
A lot of the concern about 1918 was because of who it hit the hardest. Current (and recent) flu seasons don’t *usually* hit young and/or healthy people. Of course there are outliers and a lot of that can’t be predicted or explained sadly.
I'd be interested in your lab's work!
Wasn't part of the reason younger people were so affected by H1N1 in 2009 due to the fact that there was an outbreak of it in the middle of the 20th century, so the older people that were expected to be sick actually had some immunity to it? The PSAs from that time were very entertaining.
That’s part of it, yes!
Kids were also safer from it, if I recall correctly. The reason escapes me.
Another part of 1918 was that the HA protein was very avian, which binds to certain linkages of sugars to bind to the respiratory cells. Humans have different linkages in their upper respiratory system so that flu had trouble infecting there. But, we have those linkages deep in our lungs so if the virus got there, it could bind then infect and the place of infection was simply so much worse for lethality.
I may have explained that badly. I did a whole project on a crystal structure of the 1918 HA protein. They got the DNa sequence from an infected Inuit who was buried in the permafrost. Nature paper - around 2003.
Wasn't part of the reason younger people were so affected by H1N1 in 2009 due to the fact that there was an outbreak of it in the middle of the 20th century, so the older people that were expected to be sick actually had some immunity to it? The PSAs from that time were very entertaining.
That’s part of it, yes!
Kids were also safer from it, if I recall correctly. The reason escapes me.
Another part of 1918 was that the HA protein was very avian, which binds to certain linkages of sugars to bind to the respiratory cells. Humans have different linkages in their upper respiratory system so that flu had trouble infecting there. But, we have those linkages deep in our lungs so if the virus got there, it could bind then infect and the place of infection was simply so much worse for lethality.
I may have explained that badly. I did a whole project on a crystal structure of the 1918 HA protein. They got the DNa sequence from an infected Inuit who was buried in the permafrost. Nature paper - around 2003.
This podcast will kill you went into those details for the coronavirus episode with SARS and MERS. The MERS virus was able to bind to receptors in the kidneys as well as the respiratory tract.
It’s largely a formality to release certain funds and put certain procedures in place. The article says we haven’t had any (confirmed) cases. The Bay Area has had cases though and we’re a huge destination for Asian visitors (and our airport is hub for travel to and from Asia.) It makes sense to me.
You guys in the middle of the country are talking about stockpiling shit. Let’s face it, it’ll be the coasts first, probably California and then New York/New Jersey. She’s just being prepared.
It’s largely a formality to release certain funds and put certain procedures in place. The article says we haven’t had any (confirmed) cases. The Bay Area has had cases though and we’re a huge destination for Asian visitors (and our airport is hub for travel to and from Asia.) It makes sense to me.
You guys in the middle of the country are talking about stockpiling shit. Let’s face it, it’ll be the coasts first, probably California and then New York/New Jersey. She’s just being prepared.
Right. I saw the state of emergency with no cases. I've never experienced a pre-emptive one so it was a bit shocking. If I remember correctly, you have family here so you know that there's not a lot of resources here. We get most of our stuff trucked in so if the coasts are shut down, we're not going to get new shipments.
I think there is a difference between ignorant hysteria and paranoia and making small, reasonable preparations if possible. The key will be minimizing spread if we do have an issue in the US. So, the less trips Karen needs to make to the grocery store, the better... And, also, as someone mentioned up-thread, there will be jerks who go out and clean aisles of various supplies. This happens every snowstorm around these parts. If panic does set in, you have to be prepared for that just as much as the virus.
That's where I'm at. But I am also someone who drags themselves out to the shops (or sends her H) to get things I'll want to eat/drink when I end up bunkering in for 3 days with a random bug/virus.
I like my comforts when I'm stuck at home
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Also if shops got emptied, I'd rather avoid having to feed my two year old canned corn pasta for 2 weeks.
Post by pizzaandtulips on Feb 26, 2020 5:32:13 GMT -5
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I normally remain pretty level-headed about these things, but we are living in the Netherlands right now, so I am really watching how this is unfolding in Europe. We are on vacation this week, and only a 4-5 hour drive from the towns in Italy under quarantine. My children attend a school that is mostly expats and as it’s the February break right now, many families have been traveling all over the world - within Europe and Asia especially, and almost certainly in or near the outbreak areas. I’m really curious how their school is going to handle it next week when everyone returns. I am also planning to stock up on basic supplies and refill my pantry, just in case. I’m not out buying masks or canceling all of our travel plans, but having extra toilet paper and some pasta and sauce on hand doesn’t seem too ridiculous to me. As it is, it’s hard to get some groceries (like bread) past about 5:00 pm in my town on regular days, so I feel justified in some of my preparations.
Wasn't part of the reason younger people were so affected by H1N1 in 2009 due to the fact that there was an outbreak of it in the middle of the 20th century, so the older people that were expected to be sick actually had some immunity to it? The PSAs from that time were very entertaining.
That’s part of it, yes!
Kids were also safer from it, if I recall correctly. The reason escapes me.
Another part of 1918 was that the HA protein was very avian, which binds to certain linkages of sugars to bind to the respiratory cells. Humans have different linkages in their upper respiratory system so that flu had trouble infecting there. But, we have those linkages deep in our lungs so if the virus got there, it could bind then infect and the place of infection was simply so much worse for lethality.
I may have explained that badly. I did a whole project on a crystal structure of the 1918 HA protein. They got the DNa sequence from an infected Inuit who was buried in the permafrost. Nature paper - around 2003.
Wasn't part of the reason younger people were so affected by H1N1 in 2009 due to the fact that there was an outbreak of it in the middle of the 20th century, so the older people that were expected to be sick actually had some immunity to it? The PSAs from that time were very entertaining.
That’s part of it, yes!
Kids were also safer from it, if I recall correctly. The reason escapes me.
Another part of 1918 was that the HA protein was very avian, which binds to certain linkages of sugars to bind to the respiratory cells. Humans have different linkages in their upper respiratory system so that flu had trouble infecting there. But, we have those linkages deep in our lungs so if the virus got there, it could bind then infect and the place of infection was simply so much worse for lethality.
I may have explained that badly. I did a whole project on a crystal structure of the 1918 HA protein. They got the DNa sequence from an infected Inuit who was buried in the permafrost. Nature paper - around 2003.
H1N1 was the 1918 flu and the 2009 flu. I don't know enough about the flu to know if they really were the same or same at a high level but actually different on a scientific level? One of the things I just read was that they considered "over 50" to be more at risk, but that's hardly old. I got H1N1 in 2009 and had to go to the ER because I wasn't responding to treatments at urgent care. Shocked the shit out of me because I was "young and healthy." Remembering how that felt is one of the big reasons I'm panicking a tiny bit, especially after reading the age 50 designation. I'm closer to 50 than I'd like to believe.
PDQ the last paragraph because I may delete.
Posting from my phone so I apologize for typos and brevity.
A lot of the concern about 1918 was because of who it hit the hardest. Current (and recent) flu seasons don’t *usually* hit young and/or healthy people. Of course there are outliers and a lot of that can’t be predicted or explained sadly.
I'm not sure I have the chops to understand really scientific papers but if there's a TLDR in what you have, that would be great. (When I find something on the interwebz, I just look for the summary.) Getting as sick as I did contributes more to my anxiety about COVID-19 than what's actually going on so that's why I was trying to understand why 'healthy, young people' got so sick with H1N1 in 2009. The urgent care doc told me to go to the ER and I waffled she said "Look, you're going to go one way or another. I suggest going now if you want to go on your own vs in an ambulance." I remember thinking "this is how people die from the flu." It sounds like for COVID-19 shouldn't be a concern for 'young, healthy' adults but being closer to 50 than I believe is making me anxious. Balancing my anxiety and proper prep, if needed, is tough.
Kids were also safer from it, if I recall correctly. The reason escapes me.
Another part of 1918 was that the HA protein was very avian, which binds to certain linkages of sugars to bind to the respiratory cells. Humans have different linkages in their upper respiratory system so that flu had trouble infecting there. But, we have those linkages deep in our lungs so if the virus got there, it could bind then infect and the place of infection was simply so much worse for lethality.
I may have explained that badly. I did a whole project on a crystal structure of the 1918 HA protein. They got the DNa sequence from an infected Inuit who was buried in the permafrost. Nature paper - around 2003.
You are a badass! This is cool.
What I found even MORE fascinating was that pigs have both linkages. So, an avian flu can infect a pig. There, it can mutate to gain the ability to bind the other set of linkages that are found in human upper respiratory systems. Boom. Pig get the avian version then spits out a flu that now infect humans.