I just flew cross country to attend a conference, and we had two medical emergencies during the flight. They had medics clear the patients before we could deplane, saying it was ‘because of stuff in the news.’ Yeah, that won’t make people panic! The doctors who offered to help were seated nearby and totally unfazed, but of course this woman behind me was wearing a mask and made a snarky remark about the second passenger, who happened to be Asian. I hate people. 😥
Love of my life baby boy born 11/11. One and done not by choice; 3 years of TTC yielded 4 MMC and 2 CPs, through 4 IUIs and 2 IVFs. Focusing on making the world a better place instead...and running.
And now that the plane landed yesterday in Ontario, that’s added to the spread of more misinformation. SFO residents didn’t want them to land there so they had to redirect to one of the poorest counties... 🤨
The plane was re-routed in air from Ontario International to March Air Force Base in Riverside County. It's a best case situation in a worse case scenario in the sense that there is a lot more control on the base than there would have been with potential cross exposure at Ontario. Passengers were asked to stay under observation for 14 days on base and after one attempted to leave they placed him under quarantine.
And now that the plane landed yesterday in Ontario, that’s added to the spread of more misinformation. SFO residents didn’t want them to land there so they had to redirect to one of the poorest counties... 🤨
I have to keep calming down my coworkers/friends about it and have them use their critical thinking skills.
Ontario International Airport (along with Oakland International) was designated as a repatriation point approximately 10 years ago, which is why that flight was initially directed there before landing at March AFB. So Ontario actually would've been more than well equipped to deal with the issue since they've had the staff, facilities, and training for this during the past decade. I live locally and county officials actually seemed pretty annoyed that the flight got diverted to March because they kept stressing the fact of their preparation to locals who were flipping out for no reason on social media.
Yeah, I should have said Riverside. I got confused with it scheduled to go to Ontario and landing in Riverside. My main point was just people are making stuff up about SFO residents having the flight diverted.
Someone mentioned at some point that it's because most hotels have a lot of shared airflow which is the opposite of what you want when you are trying to treat and quarantine patients, but unfortunately I have source amnesia, and can't tell you where I read that.
The BBC also had an interview with a citizen of Wuhan and she mentions in there that they've taken over hotels as quarantine checkpoints, but they aren't providing care there, she mentions that her uncle (and others) passed away at such a checkpoint, while waiting to get a bed in a hospital. It's interesting to listen to, but heartbreaking to hear about her family's struggle through what is obviously a very scary and traumatic experience.
This article is definitely scary www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/world/asia/coronavirus-china.amp.html it seems like every day there are thousands of newly confirmed cases in China and at least 50+ new deaths. This is just what is officially reported and the real rates could be much higher. Also those poor sick people walking from hospital to hospital and being turned away...what is happening in China right now is a real humanitarian crisis.
Disclaimer: I’m not familiar with the source and obviously there are political tensions between China and Taiwan. But if true...terrifying.
Tencent is pretty well known (it's a tech and video game company), but I'm not sure if I'm willing to believe that the number of deaths are quite that high yet. While a number of news sources have come out and said that the numbers the CCP has given are probably underreported, 25,000 deaths would be A LOT. Most people are assuming it was a bug in their system that caused the confirmed and death counts to briefly show that high a number. I am willing to go with that theory for the time being, especially seeing the numbers currently outside of China.
There is a lot of paranoia right now because of the CCP practices on regulating media and reports. In the absence of trustworthy news sources, many are latching on to whatever theories and "facts" are presented to them. Everything from it's a man-made bioweapon that was purposely released for population control, to it escaped from a lab, to videos of a building burning down and claims that it was a way to coverup the disposal of bodies. It seems clear that the CCP is trying to downplay the severity and their numbers, but trying to separate fact from fiction in this sort of environment is obviously difficult. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I think we can assume a higher number than the reported 549 currently referenced, but I'd shy away from assuming it's 25,000.
There are also a lot of factors into the mortality rates in China, that may make it far worse there than in other countries.
1) . This is a respiratory disease. Air quality in China, sanitation practices, denser population, and smoking rates, all would lead to a higher mortality rate.
2) . This got rolling before they were prepared for it, which meant that it spread undetected for a while. This then overwhelmed hospitals, caused a lack of supplies, and an overworked staff. All of those things will effect the rates at which they were able to successfully treat and help patients.
The biggest thing right now is to watch how it plays out for other countries, and what the prognosis is in another two to three weeks, (waiting period for incubation, positive test, and then for the ARDS to potentially set in). Unfortunately the numbers for most are still climbing daily, but none have reached critical mass yet. Hopefully the quarantine measures, and advance warning will have helped.
There are still so many people traveling back and forth without quarantine that it makes me nervous. I have two people who report to me at work and both are Chinese. One had a cousin visiting NYC from China just this past weekend (and just flew back to China), and the other one's mother just flew back to Toronto from China earlier this week and was not quarantined.
There are still so many people traveling back and forth without quarantine that it makes me nervous. I have two people who report to me at work and both are Chinese. One had a cousin visiting NYC from China just this past weekend (and just flew back to China), and the other one's mother just flew back to Toronto from China earlier this week and was not quarantined.
Really? really? really?
A gentle reminder that more than 100 people a day are dying from flu in the US. Are you scared of anyone with American heritage, American relatives or American travel, too?
There are still so many people traveling back and forth without quarantine that it makes me nervous. I have two people who report to me at work and both are Chinese. One had a cousin visiting NYC from China just this past weekend (and just flew back to China), and the other one's mother just flew back to Toronto from China earlier this week and was not quarantined.
Really? really? really?
A gentle reminder that more than 100 people a day are dying from flu in the US. Are you scared of anyone with American heritage, American relatives or American travel, too?
Oh FFS. So you think quarantines are racist? Is that what you're saying?
I'm concerned about people who were just in a location where there is an outbreak traveling to other parts of the world and spreading the outbreak.
There have been many travel restrictions within China itself and imposed internationally. China is a large country. Is there any reason to think either person was in Hubei province?
"I know two people of Chinese ancestry who know two people who travelled" feels a little thin.
There have been many travel restrictions within China itself and imposed internationally. China is a large country. Is there any reason to think either person was in Hubei province?
"I know two people of Chinese ancestry who know two people who travelled" feels a little thin.
They were not in that province, but I find this whole situation very scary and the virus is spreading quickly throughout China and other parts of Asia.
I don't know why you want to assume the worst of me, but I only mentioned they were Chinese because they both have had family traveling to/from China within the last week. And I didn't say I know two people of Chinese ancestry... these are just the two people on my team that I work with all day every day and both have had family travel to North America from China within the last week without quarantine, which is surprising to me given all the quarantine stories in the news.
There have been many travel restrictions within China itself and imposed internationally. China is a large country. Is there any reason to think either person was in Hubei province?
"I know two people of Chinese ancestry who know two people who travelled" feels a little thin.
They were not in that province, but I find this whole situation very scary and the virus is spreading quickly throughout China and other parts of Asia.
I don't know why you want to assume the worst of me, but I only mentioned they were Chinese because they both have had family traveling to/from China within the last week. And I didn't say I know two people of Chinese ancestry... these are just the two people on my team that I work with all day every day and both have had family travel to North America from China within the last week without quarantine, which is surprising to me given all the quarantine stories in the news.
And yes, I'm terrified of the flu as well.
I apologize. That wasn't fair. It didn't help that when I first read it, I thought you said someone had returned to China from Toronto which seemed like a nonsensical reason to think they were spreading the virus. Which wasn't what you said. I've struck out my initial post.
I am keeping a relatively close eye on this, because I have international travel coming up in two weeks to a huge telecom show in Barcelona. It's the biggest one of the year, more than 100K people, with a significant contingent from China.
I'm hearing (third-hand) that event speakers from China are already having difficulty getting visas, although I don't think there have been any formal EU travel restrictions put in place yet. Two huge companies (one from China and one based in South Korea with large Chinese operations) have already pulled out, probably because they are having trouble even getting their people there.
Between the air travel, lots of handshakes, lots of cocktail hours with shared/buffet-style tapas and even sit-down meals usually being passed/shared tapas, it's kind of a flu season nightmare even if you don't have a novel virus in the mix.
We live in Seoul and so far there have only been 23 confirmed cases in all of Korea. Today the ministry of health ordered all the schools in a particular district to close for a week because they lost track of “patient #19” for a while and he or she apparently later indicated they were at a mall within the district in the last week. “Patient 23” was on public transportation in the district my kids go to school in so the headmaster is waiting to see if the ministry orders them to close, as well. This all seems very over the top.
(on another note, I lol that this all gets translated from Korean into “districts,” “ministries” and “headmaster.“ Makes it all seem very Orwellian.)
I keep on reading about the quarantine on the ship on Japan and feeling so bad about the people stuck in isolation in interior rooms.
#1 reason I don't do cruises is the fear I'll get sick and restricted to my cabin. Couldn't imagine having no windows for 2 weeks! (Would not be good for my marriage.)
I keep on reading about the quarantine on the ship on Japan and feeling so bad about the people stuck in isolation in interior rooms.
#1 reason I don't do cruises is the fear I'll get sick and restricted to my cabin. Couldn't imagine having no windows for 2 weeks! (Would not be good for my marriage.)
Cruises have never appealed to me for this reason, being stuck in one location for extended periods of time. Never mind that illnesses can spread so quickly, or if something goes wrong and everyone has to be held for security’s sake.
It sounds like most of the people in question were cleared, a few were taken to the hospital to double check, and all other passengers were allowed to disembark. Hopefully all is well.
I mainly posted because it’s local to me and I was curious if it’s made the news elsewhere.
I actually worked at this terminal years ago for a short while. Once we had to change a Caribbean cruise up to Quebec instead because of weather conditions (another reason why I think a cruise wouldn’t be for me - though I realize planes and trains also get diverted) and passengers were furious and complaining that they didn’t have proper clothing ... funny enough, the most cheerful “oh we don’t care, we’re on vacation!” group I dealt with that day was from Montreal.
I keep on reading about the quarantine on the ship on Japan and feeling so bad about the people stuck in isolation in interior rooms.
#1 reason I don't do cruises is the fear I'll get sick and restricted to my cabin. Couldn't imagine having no windows for 2 weeks! (Would not be good for my marriage.)
Cruises have never appealed to me for this reason, being stuck in one location for extended periods of time. Never mind that illnesses can spread so quickly, or if something goes wrong and everyone has to be held for security’s sake.
It sounds like most of the people in question were cleared, a few were taken to the hospital to double check, and all other passengers were allowed to disembark. Hopefully all is well.
I mainly posted because it’s local to me and I was curious if it’s made the news elsewhere.
I actually worked at this terminal years ago for a short while. Once we had to change a Caribbean cruise up to Quebec instead because of weather conditions (another reason why I think a cruise wouldn’t be for me - though I realize planes and trains also get diverted) and passengers were furious and complaining that they didn’t have proper clothing ... funny enough, the most cheerful “oh we don’t care, we’re on vacation!” group I dealt with that day was from Montreal.
Cruises have never appealed to me for this reason, being stuck in one location for extended periods of time. Never mind that illnesses can spread so quickly, or if something goes wrong and everyone has to be held for security’s sake.
It sounds like most of the people in question were cleared, a few were taken to the hospital to double check, and all other passengers were allowed to disembark. Hopefully all is well.
I mainly posted because it’s local to me and I was curious if it’s made the news elsewhere.
I actually worked at this terminal years ago for a short while. Once we had to change a Caribbean cruise up to Quebec instead because of weather conditions (another reason why I think a cruise wouldn’t be for me - though I realize planes and trains also get diverted) and passengers were furious and complaining that they didn’t have proper clothing ... funny enough, the most cheerful “oh we don’t care, we’re on vacation!” group I dealt with that day was from Montreal.
WHO will be allowed to come in and begin an investigation after weeks of asking to be allowed. Also the current death toll is just 2 shy of the tor deaths from SARS 😬😢
WHO will be allowed to come in and begin an investigation after weeks of asking to be allowed. Also the current death toll is just 2 shy of the tor deaths from SARS 😬😢
It’s passed it now. At least the official numbers have passed the numbers of those who died from SARS. I’m very nervous for the people of Wuhan and the Hubei province area; it seems like they have such a lack of resources to handle the magnitude of what they’re dealing with.
I hope they team the WHO and CDC can help in tangible ways to help slow down the spread in China and ultimately worldwide. It does seem like China prevented the information that it’s spread from person to person from getting out until it was too late to do anything to prevent it from spreading so quickly.
I’ve just spent a week in Australia and I’m currently in New Zealand. Both places have a large number of Chinese tourists. Other then the airports asking if we’ve been to China (same when we flew out of SFO) it’s been business as usual. I’m not concerned at all (naive of me??)
I’ve just spent a week in Australia and I’m currently in New Zealand. Both places have a large number of Chinese tourists. Other then the airports asking if we’ve been to China (same when we flew out of SFO) it’s been business as usual. I’m not concerned at all (naive of me??)
Did you see many wearing masks? As I said upthread it was well above 50% on my flights just over a week ago with nearly everyone not wearing masks being white tourists.
But, as our AQI is atrocious this time of year, we stockpile masks anyway and always have them on us. The government subsidizes them. Today we're #8 in the world for worst air. It can get a whole lot worse here. Last year we spent 2 weeks at the #1 spot. So I can't draw any impression on fears of the virus based on the masks in public, just on the airplanes.
I do know it's anticipated to have a huge impact on tourists. About 10 days ago the mayor of Phuket sent an email to basically their entire tourism industry (hotels, restaurants, guides, etc) warning to expect a sharp downturn.
I think we're up to 32 cases so far, no deaths. 22 still in hospital, 10 discharged. About 2/3 are Chinese, 1 of them an evacuee from the affected area, the rest Thai.
I’m not surprised that so many people contracted the virus on a cruise ship. But man, how awful for the people stuck in there just waiting to see if they get sick.
According to my brother’s friends in Shanghai, now that people are returning from the extended New Year holiday they have to report where they’ve been and who they’ve had contact with, and the government is selectively quarantining people who have likely been exposed. There are some really terrible videos circulating of people being dragged out of their apartments.
At the beginning of the outbreak the government was really cracking down on the sharing of foreign news sources on WeChat. I heard on NPR the other day that the public outrage over Dr. Li’s death has gotten so big that the government just can’t quash it.
My Mom said there is no point to the screening by temperatures for this virus. Not everyone develops a fever, and by the time they do they have already likely been contagious. It makes government agencies feel like they are doing something, but from a clinical diagnosis standpoint it is of very limited value.
This is interesting. I work for a global company and we have sites in the Philippines where we're issuing masks (N-95 and otherwise) and they're doing temperature checks at the entries. They're holding daily calls to monitor and update.
A colleague there told me she's wearing a mask every day, and she confirmed the racism against Chinese, especially on social, is rampant.
Friday our facilities dept. issued a container of bleach wipes to each area and we're instructed to wipe areas down twice daily.
I honestly think a ton of the U.S. stuff is security theater at this point for CYA cred.
I’ve just spent a week in Australia and I’m currently in New Zealand. Both places have a large number of Chinese tourists. Other then the airports asking if we’ve been to China (same when we flew out of SFO) it’s been business as usual. I’m not concerned at all (naive of me??)
Did you see many wearing masks? As I said upthread it was well above 50% on my flights just over a week ago with nearly everyone not wearing masks being white tourists.
But, as our AQI is atrocious this time of year, we stockpile masks anyway and always have them on us. The government subsidizes them. Today we're #8 in the world for worst air. It can get a whole lot worse here. Last year we spent 2 weeks at the #1 spot. So I can't draw any impression on fears of the virus based on the masks in public, just on the airplanes.
I do know it's anticipated to have a huge impact on tourists. About 10 days ago the mayor of Phuket sent an email to basically their entire tourism industry (hotels, restaurants, guides, etc) warning to expect a sharp downturn.
I think we're up to 32 cases so far, no deaths. 22 still in hospital, 10 discharged. About 2/3 are Chinese, 1 of them an evacuee from the affected area, the rest Thai.
I wouldn’t say more then normal wearing masks on the plane. I will say I think more then normal on the streets but quite honestly not enough for me to have noticed except I think because I’m just aware of what’s going on it sticks in my mind more.