Anyone want to share how they will vote and why? In general, the olds on my FB feed are not happy about it because they think they'll pay more on their residential property taxes.
Post by alleinesein on Feb 11, 2020 17:17:22 GMT -5
Voting No. It does not provide a clear indication of where the funds will come from. There are only 3 sources: general fund, taxpayer revenue and making the developer pay fees.
"Funding for local school construction in California comes from three sources: First, the state borrows money by issuing bonds and then repays it from general fund revenues. Second, local school districts borrow money by issuing bonds and then repay it by raising property taxes. Third, developers pay fees for a portion of the cost of new schools needed for the homes they build."
Please share this each time you see that stupid “prop 13 repeal” meme going around.
Oh shoot! We are talking about two different things. I’m sorry!!
But still, they are spreading lies about a “repeal of prop 13”
“Adding to the confusion about the proposed November ballot measure, there’s a voter initiative on California’s March primary ballot called Proposition 13, the School and College Facilities Bond. But it has nothing to do with the landmark measure of the same name passed four decades ago. A spokesman for the California Secretary of State’s Office said that the numbers assigned to propositions are reused through the years, sometimes leading to duplicates.”
Please share this each time you see that stupid “prop 13 repeal” meme going around.
Oh shoot! We are talking about two different things. I’m sorry!!
But still, they are spreading lies about a “repeal of prop 13”
“Adding to the confusion about the proposed November ballot measure, there’s a voter initiative on California’s March primary ballot called Proposition 13, the School and College Facilities Bond. But it has nothing to do with the landmark measure of the same name passed four decades ago. A spokesman for the California Secretary of State’s Office said that the numbers assigned to propositions are reused through the years, sometimes leading to duplicates.”
honestly, I got confused too. I was just telling my H the other day that the “repeal” was this election and not November.
Post by goldengirlz on Feb 11, 2020 18:38:46 GMT -5
I’m voting yes. I’m tired of the olds complaining about property taxes when — because of the OTHER Prop 13 — they already pay ridiculously and abnormally low property taxes on multi-million dollar homes.
The ripple effect on the schools is two-fold. Schools in California are seriously underfunded and we have some of the worst school performance in the country (in the bottom quartile.) There’s also the issue that Prop. 13 has discouraged housing turnover; families can’t afford to buy because inventory is so low, inflating prices. The number of children in my district has declined by HALF in one generation.
But this won’t even affect property taxes! And if it’s going to provide additional funding for education, particularly under-resourced schools in low income communities, count me in!
I am voting for it. It is endorsed by the LA Times and it looks like a lot of the money would go to low income school districts and fixing existing buildings rather than building new schools.
I'm voting yes. I always vote yes for these things. Schools need funding. Yes, that usually means higher property taxes, but as goldengirlz pointed out, low property taxes are the reason we are in this mess.
If there is a large contingent of oldz against something, I generally think that probably means it something that should pass.
I don’t understand why people think authorizing bonds = higher property taxes?
Probably because school funding is linked to property taxes. I don't have an issue with bond measures; I have an issue with bond measures that don't provide a clear source for their proposed funding.
I don’t understand why people think authorizing bonds = higher property taxes?
Probably because school funding is linked to property taxes. I don't have an issue with bond measures; I have an issue with bond measures that don't provide a clear source for their proposed funding.
It says very clearly that the funding is coming from commercial and industrial properties. It exempts residential properties (so it won’t discourage building more housing), small business (including those with under 50 employees and those worth less than $500k) and properties worth less than $3 million.
You really don’t think Salesforce and Facebook and Google should pay higher property taxes?
Probably because school funding is linked to property taxes. I don't have an issue with bond measures; I have an issue with bond measures that don't provide a clear source for their proposed funding.
It says very clearly that the funding is coming from commercial and industrial properties. It exempts residential properties (so it won’t discourage building more housing), small business (including those with under 50 employees and those worth less than $500k) and properties worth less than $3 million.
You really don’t think Salesforce and Facebook and Google should pay higher property taxes?
i think that’s for the other one, that’s not on the March ballot.
I don’t understand why people think authorizing bonds = higher property taxes?
Probably because school funding is linked to property taxes. I don't have an issue with bond measures; I have an issue with bond measures that don't provide a clear source for their proposed funding.
The funding sources of a bond measure is the sale of the bond. That’s where the money comes from. It’s essentially authorizing the state to incur debt.
Property taxes have nothing to do with it.
The sale of the bonds would be used for Ed facilities.
Voting No. It does not provide a clear indication of where the funds will come from. There are only 3 sources: general fund, taxpayer revenue and making the developer pay fees.
"Funding for local school construction in California comes from three sources: First, the state borrows money by issuing bonds and then repays it from general fund revenues. Second, local school districts borrow money by issuing bonds and then repay it by raising property taxes. Third, developers pay fees for a portion of the cost of new schools needed for the homes they build."
can you please point me to where that paragraph is? I must have missed it because all I see is funding through general fund and not the other sources. I'm skimming ballotpedia, the voter guide, and AB-48
Post by formerlyak on Feb 11, 2020 22:02:28 GMT -5
The issue I have with the way it’s written is that there is no accountability built in - neither in the part of the state gov’t regarding distribution nor on the school districts to ensure it is actually spent on “modernizing our schools.” I generally vote for everything school funding related, but I like there to be transparency and accountability. Otherwise, I fear it will turn out like Lotto - it went to the schools for a short time, but no longer.
We had a local parcel tax on the ballot about a decade ago. It passed. Now every year, the district has to publish a report that states what the revenue was and what it was spent on to ensure it went for what it was supposed to go toward, which was clearly outlined on the ballot. I will happily pay that tax.
Please share this each time you see that stupid “prop 13 repeal” meme going around.
Oh shoot! We are talking about two different things. I’m sorry!!
But still, they are spreading lies about a “repeal of prop 13”
“Adding to the confusion about the proposed November ballot measure, there’s a voter initiative on California’s March primary ballot called Proposition 13, the School and College Facilities Bond. But it has nothing to do with the landmark measure of the same name passed four decades ago. A spokesman for the California Secretary of State’s Office said that the numbers assigned to propositions are reused through the years, sometimes leading to duplicates.”
This has always bugged me! Certain proposition numbers need to be retired. 8 and 13 are obvious, but there are two 64s that both passed, and it makes legal research on Lexis really annoying! Not to mention that it creates a lot of opportunity for misinformation, which is already a big enough problem in the state.
I'm sad I don't get to vote in an early primary this time around, but I don't miss all these ballot props.
Post by suburbanzookeeper on Feb 12, 2020 0:55:40 GMT -5
I served as a chair on my local community's education committee for the last few years. One of our school districts - we border on two - misspent a bond to the tune of $100M about 14 years ago. The fraud was really only discovered and made public in the last 2 years when residents really began to push as to why funding wasn't there for a promised (and paid for) school. The schools' self-selected "accountability" committee pretty much was told to rubber stamp everything and they did. Prior to all of this I always voted yes but without accountability I'm afraid I can't support it logically. I don't know. I feel like I still have time to work through it.
I served as a chair on my local community's education committee for the last few years. One of our school districts - we border on two - misspent a bond to the tune of $100M about 14 years ago. The fraud was really only discovered and made public in the last 2 years when residents really began to push as to why funding wasn't there for a promised (and paid for) school. The schools' self-selected "accountability" committee pretty much was told to rubber stamp everything and they did. Prior to all of this I always voted yes but without accountability I'm afraid I can't support it logically. I don't know. I feel like I still have time to work through it.
Thank you for giving an example of when it didn’t work because of accountability.
It's an opinion piece written by the Co-chairs of the California Coalition for Public Higher Education. That's a pretty biased source.
To answer your question, there is no accountability built in to the ballot measure. I love my state and would never want to live anywhere else, but where school funding is concerned there are several examples of where it isn't spent as intended or voted on. There is a good example of this upthread.