Post by jordancatalano4ever on Feb 16, 2020 13:31:55 GMT -5
Again. Sorry I think this was inspired by some worrying feelings that I have this morning. Coupled with the observation that Bernie is pretty well hated on here and there are a lot of people in my city that seem to like him.
The GOP opp file on this guy is going to be ridiculous.
He did a weekly radio show in Vermont FOR YEARS. He was on public access tv all the time in Burlington in the 80s. I trust that there are RNC interns who have watched and listened to all of these things and the hits will just keep coming if he’s the nominee.
He spent the 70s not paying child support and stealing electricity and writing essays about women fantasizing about being raped.
His wife is a grifter who bankrupted a college. If he’s the nominee, Barr and Guilani will do to her what they did to Hunter Biden, except this time I’m confident they will find actual crimes.
There is literally a video of him singing naked with Russians floating around the internet. No I’m not kidding. This exists.
Just wait until CNN decides these things are news. It will be over.
See. This right here is what’s scaring me. Y’all. What if he wins the most delegates. What then?
Edited to add that I’ve had this feeling that we’re echoing 2016. People were convinced Trump couldn’t take it the whole way and there were all these reasons he wouldn’t win. Then he did.
I guess I was looking for hair pats and to be told it would be all right. Lol. 😭
While all of the concerns stated are important, can we risk not supporting Bernie if he’s the nom? At least he’s pushing a liberal agenda. I don’t know. I’m just not feeling optimistic about anything right now.
Um, who said they aren’t going to vote for him in the general if he’s the nominee?
seriously. The thread is still on the first page of the board.
His whole “thing” for everything from winning A election to implementing His agenda is that he will turn out a “revolution” of new voters. This hasn’t happened. And there is no evidence that this is going to happen. Actually the evidence suggests that it won’t happen.
In addition to all the stuff I said up thread (I feel honored), I saw that apparently the DCCC has internal polling for CA-25, Katie Hill’s district. Christy Smith, a sitting CA assemblywoman, is polling at the top. Then 2 Republicans. THEN Cenk Uygur, who Bernie endorsed and was forced to (weakly) retract his endorsement almost immediately, is in 4th with 5 percent. That district is in Orange County and is traditionally Republican. Like a lot of districts that Ds flipped in 2018, it’s suburban, was won by a woman, and was largely won due to suburban women. You think the district that Jon Ossof but Lucy McBath won is going to go for Bernie? Or turn out for McBath with Bernie on top of the ticket? Basically with Bernie on the top of the ticket, not only do I predict Trump wins again, but I think Ds would lose the House. The hardcore Bernie people VASTLY overestimate his universal popularity.
His whole “thing” for everything from winning A election to implementing His agenda is that he will turn out a “revolution” of new voters. This hasn’t happened. And there is no evidence that this is going to happen. Actually the evidence suggests that it won’t happen.
In addition to all the stuff I said up thread (I feel honored), I saw that apparently the DCCC has internal polling for CA-25, Katie Hill’s district. Christy Smith, a sitting CA assemblywoman, is polling at the top. Then 2 Republicans. THEN Cenk Uygur, who Bernie endorsed and was forced to (weakly) retract his endorsement almost immediately, is in 4th with 5 percent. That district is in Orange County and is traditionally Republican. Like a lot of districts that Ds flipped in 2018, it’s suburban, was won by a woman, and was largely won due to suburban women. You think the district that Jon Ossof but Lucy McBath won is going to go for Bernie? Or turn out for McBath with Bernie on top of the ticket? Basically with Bernie on the top of the ticket, not only do I predict Trump wins again, but I think Ds would lose the House. The hardcore Bernie people VASTLY overestimate his universal popularity.
Yes to all of the above, with one small correction. CA 25 is in Los Angeles, Katie Porter is the Dem who flipped the district in Orange County. It's fairly confusing with the two Katies flipping formerly conservative districts in SoCal in 2018.
I was listening to the PSA guys and they were saying that if he gets some close wins and does well on Super Tuesday that it’ll be hard for someone to catch up to him in delegates. Also turn out was low in Iowa and I’m nervous people are exhausted and not paying attention right now. The bros are and they’ll turn out. The similarities with maga are striking as far as cultish base. Did I say we’re fucked?
How can we get all this info out there now BEFORE he is the nominee? Send some reporters lots of links? Find the naked video and make it go viral?
His supporters are like maga they don’t give a shit! We’re so fucked!
Exactly. None of this matters to his supporters. They are exactly like Trump supporters. Ack. I was hoping people would tell me “nah, he sucks. But it won’t be that bad”. Lol. I feel like I’m living in 2016 in reverse. It’s scary y’all.
Again. Sorry I think this was inspired by some worrying feelings that I have this morning. Coupled with the observation that Bernie is pretty well hated on here and there are a lot of people in my city that seem to like him.
I think literally every active member on this board has said repeatedly that they will vote for the nominee, whoever they may be. So, let's please not do that.
Again. Sorry I think this was inspired by some worrying feelings that I have this morning. Coupled with the observation that Bernie is pretty well hated on here and there are a lot of people in my city that seem to like him.
I think literally every active member on this board has said repeatedly that they will vote for the nominee, whoever they may be. So, let's please not do that.
eta: Shoot, quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote you on needing to support him if he becomes the nominee.
To the first: I’m not trying to insinuate that y’all won’t vote for him. More like I’m feeling the feelings that were expressed in the article. That Sanders suppprt is loud and we’re looking at a really muddy contest right now. Super Tuesday is right around the corner and I’m trying to remain optimistic over here! I never would have thought the candidate field would have narrowed the way it has. I was so hopeful we would be looking at Castro, Warren, Booker, and Harris in the finals. I don’t love Pete, Amy, or Joe. I don’t see any of them taking the majority of delegates. I’m trying to remain optimistic for Warren. So right now I’m left with fucking Bloomberg and Bernie. 🤮
But some Democratic operatives in Texas point to two decades of Republican dominance and argue O’Rourke's popularity in the state as proof the party needs to differentiate itself from the right.
“We should be more worried about a moderate candidate in a highly polarized environment,” said Tory Gavito, co-founder and president of Way to Win, a group that organizes progressive donors and strategists. “We have the deepest well of young voters and voters of color — who is the best candidate that can turn them out?”
This part is the thing giving me the most pause. Of the people who are vocal enough to share their views with me they are either Trump or Bernie supporters. We all know what 4 more years of Trump will bring. So I’m just left wondering whether Bernie will be okayish.
I think literally every active member on this board has said repeatedly that they will vote for the nominee, whoever they may be. So, let's please not do that.
Bernie wouldn’t be terrible for the country broadly but he’d be terrible for Democrats specifically. If he somehow won Republicans would be back with a vengeance in 2022 and beyond, like Trump never happened.
I’m trying to imagine Bernie leading the military and coming up completely empty.
So I’m just left wondering whether Bernie will be okayish.
IMO, no. He won't be ok-ish. I think we're fucked if he's the nominee.
He won’t have numbers to do anything is how I look at it. We hope to keep the house but doubt we’ll have the Senate. It’ll be 4 years of nothing getting done and I’m ok with that. My bar is low.
But there is so much division that someone else may not get anything done with the math but at least they won’t burn it down.
IMO, no. He won't be ok-ish. I think we're fucked if he's the nominee.
He won’t have numbers to do anything is how I look at it. We hope to keep the house but doubt we’ll have the Senate. It’ll be 4 years of nothing getting done and I’m ok with that. My bar is low.
But there is so much division that someone else may not get anything done with the math but at least they won’t burn it down.
I'm convinced we'll lose the WH if he's the nominee and that it will impact down ballot races. He's a terrible candidate and his toxicity will spread.
I also agree with bowies that if he wins, Republicans will come back with a vengeance. And we all know they are much better organized than we are. I sincerely worry about the future of the party if we end up with him as the nominee.
He won’t have numbers to do anything is how I look at it. We hope to keep the house but doubt we’ll have the Senate. It’ll be 4 years of nothing getting done and I’m ok with that. My bar is low.
But there is so much division that someone else may not get anything done with the math but at least they won’t burn it down.
I'm convinced we'll lose the WH if he's the nominee and that it will impact down ballot races. He's a terrible candidate and his toxicity will spread.
I also agree with bowies that if he wins, Republicans will come back with a vengeance. And we all know they are much better organized than we are. I sincerely worry about the future of the party if we end up with him as the nominee.
45 just needs to run on Bernie wants to take your private health insurance away and Bernie can’t say it’s not true.
OP, I also vote on Super Tuesday and am at a complete loss as to what to do. Right now, my candidate is Not Bernie but what does that mean? I guess I’m prepared to vote Pete if that’s where the moderate/traditional liberal wing is more apt to congregate, and he’s leading in delegates.
It is a damn crime that outside groups aren’t flooding the airwaves with Bernie oppo.
OP, I also vote on Super Tuesday and am at a complete loss as to what to do. Right now, my candidate is Not Bernie but what does that mean? I guess I’m prepared to vote Pete if that’s where the moderate/traditional liberal wing is more apt to congregate, and he’s leading in delegates.
It is a damn crime that outside groups aren’t flooding the airwaves with Bernie oppo.
Vote for who you want.
I don't care too much about delegates awarded by IA and NH. Like, Hilary eked out an IA victory and lost NH in 2016 and won the popular vote in the actual presidential by 3%.
Kamala is out, so I'm all in for Warren, now. I'm not going to sigh, take one for the team and vote for who ever "the moderate/liberal wing" is predicted to vote for based on air and glitter at this point.
OP, I also vote on Super Tuesday and am at a complete loss as to what to do. Right now, my candidate is Not Bernie but what does that mean? I guess I’m prepared to vote Pete if that’s where the moderate/traditional liberal wing is more apt to congregate, and he’s leading in delegates.
It is a damn crime that outside groups aren’t flooding the airwaves with Bernie oppo.
Vote for who you want.
I don't care too much about delegates awarded by IA and NH. Like, Hilary eked out an IA victory and lost NH in 2016 and won the popular vote in the actual presidential by 3%.
Kamala is out, so I'm all in for Warren, now. I'm not going to sigh, take one for the team and vote for who ever "the moderate/liberal wing" is predicted to vote for based on air and glitter at this point.
I don't know. I tend to agree with bowies. We all need to get behind a non Bernie option. Otherwise, the rest of the field is going to keep splitting the non Bernie vote and he will win. I feel like this is much different than 4 years ago. There weren't nearly the number of candidates as there are this time around. I said it in the other thread. It's exactly how we got Trump. There were so many Republican candidates that split the non Trump votes that he ended up winning. I'm having a very hard time seeing how we don't do the same thing.
OP, I also vote on Super Tuesday and am at a complete loss as to what to do. Right now, my candidate is Not Bernie but what does that mean? I guess I’m prepared to vote Pete if that’s where the moderate/traditional liberal wing is more apt to congregate, and he’s leading in delegates.
It is a damn crime that outside groups aren’t flooding the airwaves with Bernie oppo.
Now is absolutely the time to vote for whichever candidate you like the most. I get that you just might not be sure who that is, though.
All of my favorites are out. I have issues with all the remaining candidates, but find several to be very strong. Right now I’m leaning toward Klobuchar, but I have about a month before I need to mail in my ballot so I’m going to wait for a little while to decide.
I don't care too much about delegates awarded by IA and NH. Like, Hilary eked out an IA victory and lost NH in 2016 and won the popular vote in the actual presidential by 3%.
Kamala is out, so I'm all in for Warren, now. I'm not going to sigh, take one for the team and vote for who ever "the moderate/liberal wing" is predicted to vote for based on air and glitter at this point.
I don't know. I tend to agree with bowies. We all need to get behind a non Bernie option. Otherwise, the rest of the field is going to keep splitting the non Bernie vote and he will win. I feel like this is much different than 4 years ago. There weren't nearly the number of candidates as there are this time around. I said it in the other thread. It's exactly how we got Trump. There were so many Republican candidates that split the non Trump votes that he ended up winning. I'm having a very hard time seeing how we don't do the same thing.
I don't know. I tend to agree with bowies. We all need to get behind a non Bernie option. Otherwise, the rest of the field is going to keep splitting the non Bernie vote and he will win. I feel like this is much different than 4 years ago. There weren't nearly the number of candidates as there are this time around. I said it in the other thread. It's exactly how we got Trump. There were so many Republican candidates that split the non Trump votes that he ended up winning. I'm having a very hard time seeing how we don't do the same thing.
This!
Can you guys at least wait until like ten brown people have voted before ringing the alarm bells?
I get it, this primary is a shit show.
But if you are going to be all OMG WE HAVE TO PICK A UNITY CANDIDATE OR WE WILL HAVE BERNIE ELEVENTY, can you at least see what happens in SC and NV first?
JHC. None of us like the situation we are in but like 50 delegates out of 2000 have been awarded FFS. Even after Super Tuesday, there’s still going to be something like 1400 left to dole out.
Go read about the 1992 democratic primary and how Bill Clinton was a complete loser at the start to calm yourselves.
Can you guys at least wait until like ten brown people have voted before ringing the alarm bells?
I get it, this primary is a shit show.
But if you are going to be all OMG WE HAVE TO PICK A UNITY CANDIDATE OR WE WILL HAVE BERNIE ELEVENTY, can you at least see what happens in SC and NV first?
JHC. None of us like the situation we are in but like 50 delegates out of 2000 have been awarded FFS. Even after Super Tuesday, there’s still going to be something like 1400 left to dole out.
Go read about the 1992 democratic primary and how Bill Clinton was a complete loser at the start to calm yourselves.
This. Holy shit you guys have some perspective. It’s way too early to start trying to game the primary to vote for who you think is “electable” and frankly if we start doing that this early we are going to be in a world of hurt come November. No one knows what is going to happen yet. And if you think you know you can basically guarantee that you’re wrong.
Here's the thing. I'm not excited about anyone who is left. Probably the most interested in Warren. So, for me, I plan to vote for the person that I think is most likely to have a chance at beating Bernie and then Trump. I vote on super Tuesday. I don't plan to vote early as I want to see what happens in SC and NV. Depending on how things are looking, I will make a decision. I might feel differently if Harris or Castro or someone I really liked was left, but I don't. So, I will vote strategically. I don't see what is wrong with that approach.
Here's the thing. I'm not excited about anyone who is left. Probably the most interested in Warren. So, for me, I plan to vote for the person that I think is most likely to have a chance at beating Bernie and then Trump. I vote on super Tuesday. I don't plan to vote early as I want to see what happens in SC and NV. Depending on how things are looking, I will make a decision. I might feel differently if Harris or Castro or someone I really liked was left, but I don't. So, I will vote strategically. I don't see what is wrong with that approach.
The problem is that your assessment (in general, not you specifically) is very likely not accurate at this stage in the game, even if you wait until after NV and SC. Too many people are taking this approach but they’re all thinking a different candidate is the one *other* people want, which is skewing the votes in frustrating ways.
I'm glad you are all much more confident than me. I completely respect ESF and seeyalater so I will try to take some of your optimism. I sure hope you are right.