Speaking of vaccines, I wonder if people who are anti-vaccine would actually take it?
I am really curious how this will play out, since we are having a huge fight about vaccines in the state of Maine right now.
The flu only kills .1%, but COVID seems like it will be at least ten times more deadly, and worse for those under 4 or over 65. If your baby has a 1 in 50 chance of dying without the vax and you're antivax, what do you do? As much as I hate the thought of this threat to little kids (and I really, really do), I hope this outbreak changes some minds.
Here's the Atlantic article; it was really informative:
Speaking of vaccines, I wonder if people who are anti-vaccine would actually take it?
HAHAHAHA no. Sob.
I predict various combinations of vaccine causes the disease, use some essential oil, how about elderberry, have you tried homeopathy... you get the point.
These are people who won't get a flu vax when flu kills literally 10s of thousands in the US alone. They won't protect their kids from death or blindness from measles. Do not for a second think they're informed by logic or science.
Post by Patsy Baloney on Feb 25, 2020 11:56:25 GMT -5
basilosaurus, I feel the same way. So many of the reports about the novel coronavirus say that many will have it and not know or will have a mild illness. It will be the chicken pox and flu argument from the anti-vax idiots: well, it didn't kill me! But I bet the vaccine will make me sick! It happened once to my mom's dog's best friend's neighbor's aunt!
We leave for a Caribbean cruise this Saturday and this virus would not deter me. I'm already pretty stringent on ships anyway (hand washing, not touching rails then touching my face, etc.), so I won't let up on that.
We didn't get trip insurance anyway, which we could have used this time - my MIL passed away over the weekend. If we had the insurance, that would be the reason we wouldn't go.
We are cruising mid-March. The cruise line has already placed restrictions on travelers who have been to mainland China within 14 days of the sail date, but the cases in other parts of the world worry me. I’m not so much worried about getting sick as I am about being quarantined on a cruise ship.
I live in Amsterdam and we haven’t had any cases here yet. I just practice my usual standards of cleanliness by washing hands and stuff. I’m not worried yet and I have a little baby. We’re going to Portugal in 2 weeks and Malta in a month. Be diligent but not fearful.
Exactly. We're still going to Madrid and Barcelona (through London) in early April with no plans to change anything. We have a teen with an underlying condition but still won't change plans because of this. We'll be extra vigilant about hand washing and cleanliness but it's not going to change our plans.
Post by basilosaurus on Feb 25, 2020 14:47:03 GMT -5
A friend of mine just canceled a trip to Italy, not due to fear of illness as we live in Thailand, so it's not going to be worse there than here, but b/c someone in Torino apparently just got beat up for being "Chinese." He's Pakistani. I feared the racist aspect, but I didn't anticipate how far it would extend to all "foreigners" (as we obviously don't know nationality just by looks). I wish I had a link to verify. But the point is it's having an impact both from here and to here. Friend is Canadian nationality, but half Thai ethnically.
I don't know how I'd feel if going to an endemic area. I don't think I'd be worried in US. I'd reconsider certain parts of the world. Not as many as people fear, though. I'll keep traveling through SE Asia. It's not like it could get worse than living my everyday life. And I fear daycares more
Also, for anyone worried, I sure hope you got your flu shots! I'm sure you all did. You've been around these boards long enough.
We’re planning to go to Italy in June. I’m not worried about getting sick, but now I’m getting worried that things will be closed down. This is a huge trip for us, and I don’t want to travel all the way there and not be able to see or do anything. If things get worse between now and then, we’ll cancel the trip.
In an article in the Atlantic that's posted on CEP, an epidemiologist estimated that 40-70% of all people worldwide will get COVID. So I don't think there's any avoiding it. I would *guess* that it will have run through Italy by summer, since it's starting to spike now. Things will be back to normal.
Thanks. I think we have until early May to cancel and get most of our money back. Hopefully there will be clarity by then.
Post by ChillyMcFreeze on Feb 25, 2020 16:31:42 GMT -5
We were planning to cruise this summer, but now we're looking at resorts instead. I'm not worried about getting sick myself, but I have a perfectly rational fear of getting quarantined on a ship.
Post by amberlyrose on Feb 25, 2020 18:43:36 GMT -5
Our trip to the Maldives in a few weeks was canceled because our flight was going through China. The whole island country canceled all flights from China, which is about 40% of their tourist money.
Post by Shreddingbetty on Feb 25, 2020 22:18:38 GMT -5
I have no concerns atm. If I had a cruise booked I probably would be right now but anything else not really. Chances are that by this summer it will have died down as it is a respiratory thing and they tend to be less in the summer. My ex (who is a doc) expressed potential concern over our kid going to camp in France this summer. Kids are barely affected and the kids that are just have regular cold symptoms. So far everyone that has died In Europe has been old and/or in poor health. So I think we need to be careful obviously but most travel should be ok. Just like you can catch the flu anywhere at some point you’re going to be able to catch this everywhere as well. I would avoid cruise shops though at least right now. I think the saddest part about this is the discrimination Asian people are experiencing, people getting shunned because they are Asian, in a place far away from China. People are taking it a little far and stop being rational.
Not yet. I have travel insurance but for not I'm not changing anything. I'm going to Myanmar in June and Spain, France, and Italy in July. Right now it's still a go but I'll be paying attention.
A large majority of travel insurance doesn't cover pandemic or fear of endemic disease, unfortunately. I only know that because we're wanting to plan a quick trip over Easter weekend and I'm trying to figure out the safest bet so we won't have to risk canceling something and losing money.
Not yet. I have travel insurance but for not I'm not changing anything. I'm going to Myanmar in June and Spain, France, and Italy in July. Right now it's still a go but I'll be paying attention.
A large majority of travel insurance doesn't cover pandemic or fear of endemic disease, unfortunately. I only know that because we're wanting to plan a quick trip over Easter weekend and I'm trying to figure out the safest bet so we won't have to risk canceling something and losing money.
I know our CC said they would hopefully work with people. We are supposed to go to San Fran for spring break, so kind of waiting to see what happens. From what I hear they will cover it if you get a doctor's note advising you not to travel. Honestly, at this point I don't even care if I am out the cash, but I want my points back lol. I figure I have a better chance of getting those if we need to cancel.
We won't make any decisions until June when we have to make the final house payment. Luckily Central America has been the least impacted so far. We did purchase cancel for any reason trip insurance.
We won't make any decisions until June when we have to make the final house payment. Luckily Central America has been the least impacted so far. We did purchase cancel for any reason trip insurance.
We won't make any decisions until June when we have to make the final house payment. Luckily Central America has been the least impacted so far. We did purchase cancel for any reason trip insurance.
How/Where do you purchase this type of insurance?
InsuremyTrip.com
I purchase trip insurance separately always for the bigger trips. I specifically look for medical evacuation and coverage for cancellation.
Speaking of vaccines, I wonder if people who are anti-vaccine would actually take it?
I am really curious how this will play out, since we are having a huge fight about vaccines in the state of Maine right now.
The flu only kills .1%, but COVID seems like it will be at least ten times more deadly, and worse for those under 4 or over 65. If your baby has a 1 in 50 chance of dying without the vax and you're antivax, what do you do? As much as I hate the thought of this threat to little kids (and I really, really do), I hope this outbreak changes some minds.
Here's the Atlantic article; it was really informative:
Where did you see about kids under 4 at greater risk? Or are you speaking hypothetically?
I saw an AV post on Instagram over the week, and it was eye rolling at the CDC for recc flu shot re:COVID, and all “BOOST YOUR IMMUNITY NATURALLY!1!!1!!1! Read my stories for my best immune builders and supports!”
I am really curious how this will play out, since we are having a huge fight about vaccines in the state of Maine right now.
The flu only kills .1%, but COVID seems like it will be at least ten times more deadly, and worse for those under 4 or over 65. If your baby has a 1 in 50 chance of dying without the vax and you're antivax, what do you do? As much as I hate the thought of this threat to little kids (and I really, really do), I hope this outbreak changes some minds.
Here's the Atlantic article; it was really informative:
Where did you see about kids under 4 at greater risk? Or are you speaking hypothetically?
I saw an AV post on Instagram over the week, and it was eye rolling at the CDC for recc flu shot re:COVID, and all “BOOST YOUR IMMUNITY NATURALLY!1!!1!!1! Read my stories for my best immune builders and supports!”
Fuck off ugh.
I was just about to ask the same question. Everything I am reading/hearing is saying that kids in general actually aren't affected (very low transmission rate) which is unusual for this type of virus.
Post by litskispeciality on Mar 2, 2020 12:19:12 GMT -5
We usually don't travel until the fall, and plan to stay in the US this year, but want to travel somewhere that's had reported cases (in that state). We won't be buying tickets or reserving anything for months, but I wonder will this be "better" we have a vaccine and a better handle, or will this be worse by then? Someone at work is also trying to plan a trip over the summer but in one sense you have to be a bit up in the air because we don't know "when" will happen.
I really hope the anti-vax don't start with Corona parties like the chicken pox. This can just be so much worse in the US because of the anti-vax so many people with compromised immune systems anyway. *sigh*
Speaking of vaccines, I wonder if people who are anti-vaccine would actually take it?
I am really curious how this will play out, since we are having a huge fight about vaccines in the state of Maine right now.
The flu only kills .1%, but COVID seems like it will be at least ten times more deadly, and worse for those under 4 or over 65. If your baby has a 1 in 50 chance of dying without the vax and you're antivax, what do you do? As much as I hate the thought of this threat to little kids (and I really, really do), I hope this outbreak changes some minds.
Here's the Atlantic article; it was really informative:
This is...not true. The part about kids under 4, anyway. Children under the age of 9 account for only 1% of cases and no children under the age of 10 have died.
Where did you see about kids under 4 at greater risk? Or are you speaking hypothetically?
I saw an AV post on Instagram over the week, and it was eye rolling at the CDC for recc flu shot re:COVID, and all “BOOST YOUR IMMUNITY NATURALLY!1!!1!!1! Read my stories for my best immune builders and supports!”
Fuck off ugh.
I was just about to ask the same question. Everything I am reading/hearing is saying that kids in general actually aren't affected (very low transmission rate) which is unusual for this type of virus.
No, I was completely off on that because I hadn’t heard those stats yet. I guess, since kids do so well fighting off COVID, the anti-vaxers will be blowing off the chance to vaccinate.
Now who I’m worried about is my asthmatic 78 y.o. mom and my MIL in a memory care unit.
I was just about to ask the same question. Everything I am reading/hearing is saying that kids in general actually aren't affected (very low transmission rate) which is unusual for this type of virus.
No, I was completely off on that because I hadn’t heard those stats yet. I guess, since kids do so well fighting off COVID, the anti-vaxers will be blowing off the chance to vaccinate.
Now who I’m worried about is my asthmatic 78 y.o. mom and my MIL in a memory care unit.
It’s not that they fight it off from what I understand. It’s that they don’t yet have the receptors for the virus to latch on. Or something.
No, I was completely off on that because I hadn’t heard those stats yet. I guess, since kids do so well fighting off COVID, the anti-vaxers will be blowing off the chance to vaccinate.
Now who I’m worried about is my asthmatic 78 y.o. mom and my MIL in a memory care unit.
It’s not that they fight it off from what I understand. It’s that they don’t yet have the receptors for the virus to latch on. Or something.
I heard on NYT podcast that the theory is because kids are exposed to corona viruses so frequently, they are better able to fight this one off.
It’s not that they fight it off from what I understand. It’s that they don’t yet have the receptors for the virus to latch on. Or something.
I heard on NYT podcast that the theory is because kids are exposed to corona viruses so frequently, they are better able to fight this one off.
That's interesting- it also makes you wonder that the common exposure to coronaviruses theory should be able to be tested by comparing numbers of severe cases for adults that spend a lot of time of young children. I would assume those people would also have greater immunity since those adults are constantly exposed to same high numbers of coronaviruses. But I might be pulling that out of my ass too!
It’s not that they fight it off from what I understand. It’s that they don’t yet have the receptors for the virus to latch on. Or something.
I heard on NYT podcast that the theory is because kids are exposed to corona viruses so frequently, they are better able to fight this one off.
I’m sure there’s logic I’m missing here, but I would assume that the longer you’re alive the more frequently you’ve been exposed to any given virus. So therefore older folks would be more protected/better able to respond/etc. than little kids.
I heard on NYT podcast that the theory is because kids are exposed to corona viruses so frequently, they are better able to fight this one off.
I’m sure there’s logic I’m missing here, but I would assume that the longer you’re alive the more frequently you’ve been exposed to any given virus. So therefore older folks would be more protected/better able to respond/etc. than little kids.
As you age, your body also forgets.
My husband explained it as kids are in better "shape" immune wise, since they are constantly fighting similar illnesses.
We have a Caribbean trip planned at the end of April and I’m torn. I’m not worried about travel at all, or where we are going. We are also a healthy family, I’m not particularly worried about getting it bad enough that it will have a lifelong effect on us.
I’m just worried that one member of my family will get sick in the weeks before and we will be unable or not allowed to go. We have another week or so to cancel and only lose a few thousand dollars. If we cancel after that we lose the entire $10,000 and it’s a big gamble. We have never gotten travel insurance but this has certainly made me question that. A Win for travel insurance companies for a few years in the future for sure.
We have a Caribbean trip planned at the end of April and I’m torn. I’m not worried about travel at all, or where we are going. We are also a healthy family, I’m not particularly worried about getting it bad enough that it will have a lifelong effect on us.
I’m just worried that one member of my family will get sick in the weeks before and we will be unable or not allowed to go. We have another week or so to cancel and only lose a few thousand dollars. If we cancel after that we lose the entire $10,000 and it’s a big gamble. We have never gotten travel insurance but this has certainly made me question that. A Win for travel insurance companies for a few years in the future for sure.
Totally get insurance in the future. Our $6k trip's 'cancel for any reason' insurance (which really is any reason not covered by their standard policy) was $163.
We have a Caribbean trip planned at the end of April and I’m torn. I’m not worried about travel at all, or where we are going. We are also a healthy family, I’m not particularly worried about getting it bad enough that it will have a lifelong effect on us.
I’m just worried that one member of my family will get sick in the weeks before and we will be unable or not allowed to go. We have another week or so to cancel and only lose a few thousand dollars. If we cancel after that we lose the entire $10,000 and it’s a big gamble. We have never gotten travel insurance but this has certainly made me question that. A Win for travel insurance companies for a few years in the future for sure.
Totally get insurance in the future. Our $6k trip's 'cancel for any reason' insurance (which really is any reason not covered by their standard policy) was $163.
Yes, obviously live and learn, we travel a ton and I suppose this was bound to happen. We did price it out and it definitely wasn’t $163, but for the $4-500 I would be feeling pretty carefree right now.
It makes sense if the travel is abroad or pricey for the insurance. Not just that but also medical.
We went to Hawaii in Dec, and because of the crackdown on vacation rentals we lost 2 places to stay and ended up having to pay more for a resort. Our tickets were refundable, but my moms weren’t so we had to go or she would throw a fit. DD also got influenza about a week before. Luckily I got her into the doctor ASAP and got Tamiflu so she was fever free for 4 days before we flew but still nerve wracking.
My FIL has a true medical emergency in Egypt and had to be medical evacuated to a larger hospital stay there for 2 weeks and then flown to the US so the medical portion was essential.