If you live in Florida and think you can only eat outside 7 weeks of the year you are doing it wrong.
I am doing it wrong, although a screened porch might change my opinion. A seaside breeze might help too.
I am not fond of bug bites (or my allergic reactions to them), bugs/ leaves/ pollen in my food, (the sky is falling!) or the heat, so eating outdoors here is not particularly fun to me.
Are they in an area likely to get routine hurricane damage?
Well, Mexico Beach, which is to the east of them got NAILED a few years ago. I don't know about "routine" but the hurricanes that go up the Gulf generally go over that area.
I sent them a question - got this response. This makes the layout make more sense.
I feel like they were pretty clear in the post that the main floor was going to have space for hanging out while someone is cooking, etc.
And we are an example of no TV on the main floor. Ours is in our basement, which isn’t nearly as interesting as their top floor. On the main floor we cook, eat, read, chat, and play games.
I sent them a question - got this response. This makes the layout make more sense.
I feel like they were pretty clear in the post that the main floor was going to have space for hanging out while someone is cooking, etc.
And we are an example of no TV on the main floor. Ours is in our basement, which isn’t nearly as interesting as their top floor. On the main floor we cook, eat, read, chat, and play games.
I didn’t get the impression it comfortable seating though. Her example was to do puzzles, lol. So I immediately thought she meant like a kitchen table seating area. Which sure you can sit in, but not hang out comfortably.
Are they in an area likely to get routine hurricane damage?
Yes and no. As mentioned upthread, the area about 40-80 miles east (Panama City to Port St Joe) got struck by a cat 5 (Michael) in 2018. That area saw very little issues. Prior to that, the last bad storm was probably Dennis in 2005 and Ivan in 2004. Before that, Opal and Erin in 1995. There were some cat 1’s and tropical storms too in that time frame, but it is generally every 10 years or so for something interesting across the panhandle.
If you live in Florida and think you can only eat outside 7 weeks of the year you are doing it wrong.
I am doing it wrong, although a screened porch might change my opinion. A seaside breeze might help too.
I am not fond of bug bites (or my allergic reactions to them), bugs/ leaves/ pollen in my food, (the sky is falling!) or the heat, so eating outdoors here is not particularly fun to me.
Lol, are you eating directly under a giant live oak tree in a windstorm in March? Yes, roofs and screens can help.
I am doing it wrong, although a screened porch might change my opinion. A seaside breeze might help too.
I am not fond of bug bites (or my allergic reactions to them), bugs/ leaves/ pollen in my food, (the sky is falling!) or the heat, so eating outdoors here is not particularly fun to me.
Lol, are you eating directly under a giant live oak tree in a windstorm in March? Yes, roofs and screens can help.
We lived in a fairly wooded area, and stuff always seems to be falling into our courtyard, and it had been particularly bad lately. Now it is getting too warm for me to enjoy anything but morning outside.
Post by hbomdiggity on Apr 25, 2020 0:15:56 GMT -5
I found the “guys, don’t bother sending your ideas, we have thought of eeeev.er.ee.thing” a bit pompous. Let people daydream with you without being arrogant “professionals.”
And yes, we previously rented a house where the living area was on a different level from the kitchen. Thought about buying it, but going up/down a flight of stairs for a refill gets old. But we also watch more tv and drink more than they do, so there’s that.
I found the “guys, don’t bother sending your ideas, we have thought of eeeev.er.ee.thing” a bit pompous. Let people daydream with you without being arrogant “professionals.”
And yes, we previously rented a house where the living area was on a different level from the kitchen. Thought about buying it, but going up/down a flight of stairs for a refill gets old. But we also watch more tv and drink more than they do, so there’s that.
This is where I am. Yes bedrooms are often upstairs, but you don't go back and forth to the bedroom 100 times a day.
If the upstairs is sso big it would almost work better to have that be kitchen + dining + LR, and have the current kitchen be a family room with the TV. Who cares what the view is from a TV room, you aren't looking out the window you are looking at the TV.
But. As noted in your first paragraph..these people have been declined good advice and going with their own questionable ideas for a decade now so what is new?
I found the “guys, don’t bother sending your ideas, we have thought of eeeev.er.ee.thing” a bit pompous. Let people daydream with you without being arrogant “professionals.”.
LOL that’s what Sherry DOES. She used to spend SO much time responding to every.little.comment. on the blog. They are incapable of just letting things go, they have to justify every decision they make.
Are they in an area likely to get routine hurricane damage?
Yes and no. As mentioned upthread, the area about 40-80 miles east (Panama City to Port St Joe) got struck by a cat 5 (Michael) in 2018. That area saw very little issues. Prior to that, the last bad storm was probably Dennis in 2005 and Ivan in 2004. Before that, Opal and Erin in 1995. There were some cat 1’s and tropical storms too in that time frame, but it is generally every 10 years or so for something interesting across the panhandle.
Our family had a house in destin for 16 years and had hurricane damage one time, when the wind took down the screen around our pool. It's definitely not an every year situation.
That area is super pricey, along 30a. Properties alone can sell for millions, without a house. But it also gets rammed with people from March-October, so no thanks.
We live in a trilevel home with a basement, so we have 3 sets of stairs, though they are like half flights at 6-7 steps each. The kitchen is on the main level, bedrooms are one level up from there, living room is one level down from there and the basement is a level down from the living area. It’s honestly not bothersome to me, but maybe that’s because it’s a short flight of stairs rather than a full flight to go up to the kitchen or back down to the living room.
In any case, I’m looking forward to seeing what they do with the place. It’s good, mindless entertainment. And I do really think that upstairs room will be great with the porch and natural light.
Post by penguingrrl on Apr 26, 2020 11:05:26 GMT -5
I think it could be cute, but I wouldn’t want the living room a flight up from the kitchen. I guess the guests will hang out at the kitchen table. It feels awkward for having guests over and hanging out with them. Just sort of choppy and not cohesive for entertaining.
The amount of space seems good to me. Each kid has their own room (which my kids don’t) and there’s a nice space for a master and a living room, so I don’t see the need for more. But then, until I was pregnant with my third we were in a 600 square foot NYC apartment (my biggest complaint wasn’t space, but privacy from neighbors and the lack of an outdoor space).
I totally understand wanting the TV that far removed from the kids rooms, though. Our TV is not in our main living area because I’m not a huge TV watcher so prefer it more out of the way. When the kids were little we had to keep it fairly quiet so it didn’t wake them up/keep them up.
I think the layout may not be 100% perfect, but they were on a time crunch to get in before school in the fall, and they wanted a fixer upper in a particular location. We all make concessions when we buy. It’s plenty of space.
It will be interesting for them to move to an area of millionaires, and have their kids be raised with millionaires’ kids. Say what you want about them but they’re very down to earth. They’re completely self made, and they still keep their project budgets small.
Man, I still admire their “fuck it, we’re moving to the beach” thing. So awesome.
This is interesting because I remember them saying they are moving to FL have a more relaxed, slower paced way of life. I guess in suburban Richmond, they found most school aged families over scheduling kids with activities and such? Something about kids just getting together spur of the moment vs. having to plan it out days in advance.
I have no experience with this area of FL but I remember thinking it was weird that they assume families there don’t put their kids in structured activities.
I think it could be cute, but I wouldn’t want the living room a flight up from the kitchen. I guess the guests will hang out at the kitchen table. It feels awkward for having guests over and hanging out with them. Just sort of choppy and not cohesive for entertaining.
The amount of space seems good to me. Each kid has their own room (which my kids don’t) and there’s a nice space for a master and a living room, so I don’t see the need for more. But then, until I was pregnant with my third we were in a 600 square foot NYC apartment (my biggest complaint wasn’t space, but privacy from neighbors and the lack of an outdoor space).
I totally understand wanting the TV that far removed from the kids rooms, though. Our TV is not in our main living area because I’m not a huge TV watcher so prefer it more out of the way. When the kids were little we had to keep it fairly quiet so it didn’t wake them up/keep them up.
I am assuming that they don’t entertain much. Because with their proposed changes, I cannot imagine entertaining. Not everyone does.
I think it could be cute, but I wouldn’t want the living room a flight up from the kitchen. I guess the guests will hang out at the kitchen table. It feels awkward for having guests over and hanging out with them. Just sort of choppy and not cohesive for entertaining.
The amount of space seems good to me. Each kid has their own room (which my kids don’t) and there’s a nice space for a master and a living room, so I don’t see the need for more. But then, until I was pregnant with my third we were in a 600 square foot NYC apartment (my biggest complaint wasn’t space, but privacy from neighbors and the lack of an outdoor space).
I totally understand wanting the TV that far removed from the kids rooms, though. Our TV is not in our main living area because I’m not a huge TV watcher so prefer it more out of the way. When the kids were little we had to keep it fairly quiet so it didn’t wake them up/keep them up.
I am assuming that they don’t entertain much. Because with their proposed changes, I cannot imagine entertaining. Not everyone does.
That’s fair. There are definitely people who don’t entertain, so this would work for them.
I think the layout may not be 100% perfect, but they were on a time crunch to get in before school in the fall, and they wanted a fixer upper in a particular location. We all make concessions when we buy. It’s plenty of space.
It will be interesting for them to move to an area of millionaires, and have their kids be raised with millionaires’ kids. Say what you want about them but they’re very down to earth. They’re completely self made, and they still keep their project budgets small.
Man, I still admire their “fuck it, we’re moving to the beach” thing. So awesome.
This is interesting because I remember them saying they are moving to FL have a more relaxed, slower paced way of life. I guess in suburban Richmond, they found most school aged families over scheduling kids with activities and such? Something about kids just getting together spur of the moment vs. having to plan it out days in advance.
I have no experience with this area of FL but I remember thinking it was weird that they assume families there don’t put their kids in structured activities.
Where they are moving, there isn’t much in terms of structured stuff for kids. It’s probably a good hour away from the biggest “city” with any kind of sports leagues, so other than what’s offered in schools, I can’t imagine there’s much. I’m not sure about Seaside in particular, but most of the 30a region is very seasonal, and I can’t imagine there are ton of people with young kids in schools.
This is interesting because I remember them saying they are moving to FL have a more relaxed, slower paced way of life. I guess in suburban Richmond, they found most school aged families over scheduling kids with activities and such? Something about kids just getting together spur of the moment vs. having to plan it out days in advance.
I have no experience with this area of FL but I remember thinking it was weird that they assume families there don’t put their kids in structured activities.
Where they are moving, there isn’t much in terms of structured stuff for kids. It’s probably a good hour away from the biggest “city” with any kind of sports leagues, so other than what’s offered in schools, I can’t imagine there’s much. I’m not sure about Seaside in particular, but most of the 30a region is very seasonal, and I can’t imagine there are ton of people with young kids in schools.
I can't speak to this area at all but my experience with other seasonal vacation towns is that schools are a mix of people who can afford $$$$ vacation homes and to be retired/semi-retired and live there FT, and quite poor folks who are working in the service jobs.
There are definitely plenty of high school activities and isn't their oldest kid middle school aged or close?
But again. Totally different Beach town $$$ tourist area that I am referencing so could be different.
My house is 1400 sq ft with a layout I like that uses the space well. Our only bathroom is upstairs, so I have to go up and down a flight to use it if I’m watching tv. We also only have 1 tv in the house. They could also put a wet bar upstairs, or just a mini fridge for drinks (though they won’t). It’s just the two of us, but we could easily have 1-2 kids here. 2 kids + WFH full time would get right, though.
The issue is that the master is HUGE, the upstairs is HUGE, and the kitchen is HUGE. With 1400 sq ft, the kids rooms must be tiiiiiny. Teddy’s room is a glorified laundry room. And no amount of vaulting the ceilings makes up for a lack of floor space, especially for kids, who have a lot they need to keep in their rooms. A high schooler won’t want to do her homework at the kitchen table.
And once they close off the wall to the master, the kitchen will have a window on one side and a door on the other, with 2 20+ foot long walls with no windows. I don’t care how light and bright she says the house is, that room will be awkward and dark. I also think that room might be about the size of my dining room (12x20, it’s weirdly big for my house), and I could not fit a kitchen, dining area, AND puzzle space there.
My house is 1400 sq ft with a layout I like that uses the space well. Our only bathroom is upstairs, so I have to go up and down a flight to use it if I’m watching tv. We also only have 1 tv in the house. They could also put a wet bar upstairs, or just a mini fridge for drinks (though they won’t). It’s just the two of us, but we could easily have 1-2 kids here. 2 kids + WFH full time would get right, though.
The issue is that the master is HUGE, the upstairs is HUGE, and the kitchen is HUGE. With 1400 sq ft, the kids rooms must be tiiiiiny. Teddy’s room is a glorified laundry room. And no amount of vaulting the ceilings makes up for a lack of floor space, especially for kids, who have a lot they need to keep in their rooms. A high schooler won’t want to do her homework at the kitchen table.
And once they close off the wall to the master, the kitchen will have a window on one side and a door on the other, with 2 20+ foot long walls with no windows. I don’t care how light and bright she says the house is, that room will be awkward and dark. I also think that room might be about the size of my dining room (12x20, it’s weirdly big for my house), and I could not fit a kitchen, dining area, AND puzzle space there.
This is exactly what I thought! It may be full of light now, but it’s going to be incredibly dark once they close that room in.
Plus, they’re taking the room with the most light and cool features on the main floor and turning it into a space they’ll use only minimally.
We spend almost no time in our bedroom. Plus, her kids are quickly moving out of the “cuddle on the couch in front of the fireplace in my parent’s bedroom” phase.
Lol, if they are moving to Seaside, they are moving to a school district that hosts a half marathon/5k fundraiser that raises an absolutely insane amount of money. I haven’t followed YHL in years but what I do know of them makes me laugh hysterically at them thrusting themselves into that community. I don’t think it will be what they expect it to be. As far as I know, Seaside is tourists and very wealthy people who live there. Anyone I know who works service industry jobs in Seaside live outside of Seaside. During high season they park in some lot and have to take a shuttle to seaside for work. I know two families well that live in the area (one in actual Seaside, and one that works in Seaside in the service industry).
Also Seaside is where The Truman Show was filmed (or at least some of it). Are they actually in Seaside? It is truly insane during summer. Our best friends have a beach house that is in between Seaside and Rosemary/Alys beach. Even during high season when we go there, their area is fairly calm but if you head towards Seaside it is a nightmare (for me, I hate crowds and traffic). Maybe the rest of the year makes up for that? I can’t imagine though. Everyone I know goes there for spring break, summer and fall break.
Bumping this since they posted the transcript of their latest podcast where they talk about the money side of this whole venture: www.younghouselove.com/173-transcript/
So basically they've been paying ahead on their main home mortgages so they had fully paid off the Richmond house which sold for only $150,000 less than they bought the Florida house for and with the sale of the beach houses they were able to pay that additional $150,000 off plus some. So they own that new FL house free and clear.
On one of these threads someone posted that John was part of the Financial Independence Retire Early Richmond club/group, so they weren't surprised when they paid off the Richmond house.
From the early days of their blog they always posted about saving and cash flowing their projects. They only ever owned one car. They've always been frugal and anti-debt.