Post by dirtybella on May 28, 2020 20:41:42 GMT -5
I am a teacher, today we were allowed to go on and clean our classroom. I haven’t had that much interaction in months. I forgot what dynamics go into people! Later the governor of AZ said schools will reopen in the fall and that youth sports and day camps have green light to start now. My city had its single day high number of positives today. I decided to pick up food because I was drained, I stop at the restaurant and it’s absolutely packed. All tables full, no one wearing masks including the staff. I feel like I am in crazy world right now.
Post by imojoebunny on May 28, 2020 22:26:00 GMT -5
It is surreal, you are not crazy. The CDC has issued guidelines on reopening, as have many trade organizations. They include staff at restaurants wearing mask and tables set apart. This divide is a direct result of a lack of leadership of high up government officials ignoring the people we pay to oversee public health. We were up 24% in cases last week in our state, yet more is set to open going forward. It is like the rats in the hen house are telling the chickens when to lay eggs. That is not how pandemics, or anything works.
I agree with imojoebunny. The lack of leadership on the federal level has made it nearly impossible for normal citizens to understand how to respond to this. Governors are doing the best they can, but in the case of red states, that direction leans toward ignorance of the situation at hand.
Honestly, I'm in Colorado and I still don't know wtf to do. We're opening restaurants here which is fucking insane to me. I'm not thrilled with Polis' response on some of this. But, then again, with the lack of response from the federal government, I really don't know if what Polis is doing is reasonable or not. It's impossible to understand for the average citizen.
I am a teacher, today we were allowed to go on and clean our classroom. I haven’t had that much interaction in months. I forgot what dynamics go into people! Later the governor of AZ said schools will reopen in the fall and that youth sports and day camps have green light to start now. My city had its single day high number of positives today. I decided to pick up food because I was drained, I stop at the restaurant and it’s absolutely packed. All tables full, no one wearing masks including the staff. I feel like I am in crazy world right now.
My parents live in southern AZ, and they feel very alone in their quarantine.
I feel you. My daycare charged us full tuition today, for the month of June. Their staff will only wear masks during deop-off and pickup. The staff are not attempting to distance from each other in common areas. Based on app pictures it looks like all but my kid and maybe 1 other are back in school.
Today we have the highest # of covid19 hospitalizations since all of this started.
I feel like the only one who sees that the emperor is butt ass naked. How am I the only one who is not okay with this? It's like community gaslighting, and I feel fucking insane.
(ETA: I'm not at all judging parents of kids who are back in daycare, as we're grappling with the decision too.. partly bec we'll pay for it either way... but the fact that the management of the daycare doesn't even treat it like a relevant discussion/question anymore. We paid reduced tuition for Apr and May to save our spot while not attending, but that's not on the table anymore, and when I told them I was really disappointed that they wouldn't require the teachers to wear masks all day, the main response was that the teachers thought it made communication with little ones challenging... ALL OF THIS IS CHALLENGING. HOW IS SAFETY NOT MORE IMPORTANT? *sigh*)
Post by Leeham Rimes on May 29, 2020 4:09:40 GMT -5
I feel you also. Florida is America’s wasteland and it’s depressing. We’re the only two of our entire circle of friends/soccer friends that are not acting like nothing is wrong. The majority are living life pre-covid and it leaves me perplexed.
Add in all the allegations of our governor lying about numbers (covering up covid deaths as pneumonia deaths for example) and I really don’t understand how people feel comfortable at all. But sure. Let’s open to tourists so either they can infect us or we them. Sweeeeet.
My state has zero leadership. Not on any level and it’s definitely making me feel insane. Our governor is allowing summer camps and kids sports WITH NO RESTRICTIONS leaving it up to individual camps to ensure safety. How —-how are people ok with this?!
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I'm feeling the same way. In our city, almost everyone is social distancing, and still doing all the things recommended by the CDC. But drive outside the city and it's like driving back in time, to before the pandemic. Crowds, nobody wearing masks--everyone seems to have decided, "this is over," even as cases are rising in our county.
I just don't get it, other than that there's a lack of leadership, or in my state's case, that national leadership is undermining what could be good local leadership. It's 100% magical thinking, yet somehow *I'm* labeled as the crazy one.
We took C to what was supposed to be a private swim lesson yesterday only to find out that he would be sharing the pool with a swim team occupying the rest of the pool. Oh yeah, and that the POOL HAS STAYED OPEN THIS WHOLE TIME for swim team practices even though it’s only just now re-opening for private lessons. So basically the owners have been flaunting the rules (which, admittedly, were fairly pathetic because this is Florida), and enough people thought COVID was no big deal that there was sufficient demand by parents and coaches to find somewhere their twelve-year-olds could practice. I hate this state.
We took C to what was supposed to be a private swim lesson yesterday only to find out that he would be sharing the pool with a swim team occupying the rest of the pool. Oh yeah, and that the POOL HAS STAYED OPEN THIS WHOLE TIME for swim team practices even though it’s only just now re-opening for private lessons. So basically the owners have been flaunting the rules (which, admittedly, were fairly pathetic because this is Florida), and enough people thought COVID was no big deal that there was sufficient demand by parents and coaches to find somewhere their twelve-year-olds could practice. I hate this state.
We should be neighbors so at least we know there is one other sane family close by. Lol.
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I feel you. My daycare charged us full tuition today, for the month of June. Their staff will only wear masks during deop-off and pickup. The staff are not attempting to distance from each other in common areas. Based on app pictures it looks like all but my kid and maybe 1 other are back in school.
Today we have the highest # of covid19 hospitalizations since all of this started.
I feel like the only one who sees that the emperor is butt ass naked. How am I the only one who is not okay with this? It's like community gaslighting, and I feel fucking insane.
(ETA: I'm not at all judging parents of kids who are back in daycare, as we're grappling with the decision too.. partly bec we'll pay for it either way... but the fact that the management of the daycare doesn't even treat it like a relevant discussion/question anymore. We paid reduced tuition for Apr and May to save our spot while not attending, but that's not on the table anymore, and when I told them I was really disappointed that they wouldn't require the teachers to wear masks all day, the main response was that the teachers thought it made communication with little ones challenging... ALL OF THIS IS CHALLENGING. HOW IS SAFETY NOT MORE IMPORTANT? *sigh*)
honestly, I agree with teachers not wearing masks in daycare. There is a lot of talk about this amongst the daycare community. Wearing masks has impacts on young children (babies especially) who rely on facial expressions for communication. DO we really want our children taken care of by people whose faces they can't see and who aren't allowed to hug/touch them?
I just think both have risks. Our daycare has never closed. Parents aren't allowed inside, classes are limited to 10 (including provider), sanitation procedures increased, classes aren't allowed to mix, and there as been no illness this entire time.
Post by Leeham Rimes on May 29, 2020 9:07:04 GMT -5
If the CDC is basing their info on falsified data like Florida's, no. Plus it's not "just" death but also permanent injury and lasting side effects from catching and surviving covid19 that have me worried. Especially if Trump is re-elected and rolls back ACA protections for pre-existing conditions. That could allow insurance to deny care to anyone who has had covid (and maybe anyone who tests positive for antibodies? I work with insurance companies and they'll deny for any reason they can find).
It's not "just" covid that has us all full of anxiety, it's the lies from the tippy top of government on down. If this happened during Obama's tenure, everything would have been vastly different and we could likely trust at least HIM and his response to it. Instead we have an orange assclown inciting racial tensions and talking about "democrats making up covid"
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I hadn't heard that about the CDC's fatality rate, so I went to look it up. The first article I found was from the National Review questioning the statistic. If the National Review is even questioning the number, it makes you wonder if it's accurate.
I have always felt I'm unlikely to die from COVID-19, but being hospitalized and/or being on a ventilator sounds bad enough. And honestly I don't even want to suffer at home with terrible fevers and gasping for breath, that sounds terrifying. Now I'm not sure avoiding being sick at home is worth giving up an entire year or more of my life, but that's a tough thing to choose between, honestly. And that's not even considering anyone else's health.
I definitely do find the decisions around this overwhelming, especially in absence of clear direction and leadership. I miss having plans and going out and doing things. I'm anxious to get back to some normal activities, but I don't know how I'll be able to determine when it's actually low risk to do so, or if we're just being told it's low risk because of the economy and politics.
If you follow the link they have to the CDC website, it says that these are 5 different estimates meant to support public health planning and preparedness. And that these are not predictions of expected effects of the illness. The news channel reported on one of 5 scenarios with the low possible death percentage. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
The CDC is now reporting that the death rate is less than 1%. Does that change anyone's opinions on states reopening?
Yes based on what I know and have seen first hand from taking care of covid patients I think that most places in the country are at a point where we have to balance things by opening up more of the economy and services that people need (mammograms, colonoscopies, routine dental care, domestic violence programs, etc). Yes it's ok to go to the store to get needs and wants, while wearing a mask, not touching your face and washing your hands well. Obviously places in which people rely on public transportation have to evaluate things differently than places where most people can drive.
I think morbidity and mortality from the virus obviously need more data and research, but overall we're at a point that we have to begin our new normal for now from a public health standpoint.
In an ideal world, testing and contract tracing would be robust. The government and private industries would be at the forefront of giving us accurate information and people wouldn't be acting like idiots protesting simple asks like wearing a mask.
I do understand if people are anxious though, but I do think science and public health are ultimately on our side. If we lived in a better society it'd obviously be better for everyone.
ETA: I hope my post doesn't come across as dismissive of anyone's concerns. I do think the virus is serious, not just the mortality, but the morbidity as we learn more. But we really need to figure out our new normal because people do have other needs. Kids have started going back to school in other countries (or have been for awhile), so as far as schooling goes hopefully we'll have more data on that soon.
I think there’s so much we don’t know about COVID, including it’s actual mortality rate. What we DO know is pretty serious:
100K people died in the US in three months, even with mandated social distancing. That’s much worse than the flu.
It’s a novel virus for which there is no immunity yet, and it has mutated into different strains already. If it keeps mutating, it might be hard to come up with one vaccine.
It seems to be more deadly when the viral load is higher, like when people share interior spaces. So healthcare workers, as well as people who clean, or cook our food, or teach our children, or work in factories, or have no alternative to public transportation, might be more at risk.
The death rate for 65+ seniors is high.
That last bit is very important to me. I’m going to modify my behavior however necessary to protect my mom, and I’m lucky that this is a choice for me. I think moving forward, we as a nation have to ask what’s fair for essential workers who can’t work from home, who can’t avoid public transportation. Come next fall, can we live with the fact that this new virus, which is much more deadly than the flu, is going to kill a larger portion of the people who do these jobs, or their parents, while we sit relatively safe at home?
I feel you. My daycare charged us full tuition today, for the month of June. Their staff will only wear masks during deop-off and pickup. The staff are not attempting to distance from each other in common areas. Based on app pictures it looks like all but my kid and maybe 1 other are back in school.
Today we have the highest # of covid19 hospitalizations since all of this started.
I feel like the only one who sees that the emperor is butt ass naked. How am I the only one who is not okay with this? It's like community gaslighting, and I feel fucking insane.
(ETA: I'm not at all judging parents of kids who are back in daycare, as we're grappling with the decision too.. partly bec we'll pay for it either way... but the fact that the management of the daycare doesn't even treat it like a relevant discussion/question anymore. We paid reduced tuition for Apr and May to save our spot while not attending, but that's not on the table anymore, and when I told them I was really disappointed that they wouldn't require the teachers to wear masks all day, the main response was that the teachers thought it made communication with little ones challenging... ALL OF THIS IS CHALLENGING. HOW IS SAFETY NOT MORE IMPORTANT? *sigh*)
honestly, I agree with teachers not wearing masks in daycare. There is a lot of talk about this amongst the daycare community. Wearing masks has impacts on young children (babies especially) who rely on facial expressions for communication. DO we really want our children taken care of by people whose faces they can't see and who aren't allowed to hug/touch them?
I just think both have risks. Our daycare has never closed. Parents aren't allowed inside, classes are limited to 10 (including provider), sanitation procedures increased, classes aren't allowed to mix, and there as been no illness this entire time.
I wonder what is going to happen when the unmasked teachers, staff, admin of daycares and schools start getting sick or dying in large numbers. Schools/daycares and other enclosed spaces with forced contact for hours are prime breeding grounds for the virus.
All you need is one sick parent or staff member or child to take out a whole community. Are they going to just close? Where are they going to find replacements? Are therapists on tap to help children deal with the death of their teacher?
I hope schools are actually using this time to plan and not just “waiting and seeing” what happens.
I have always felt I'm unlikely to die from COVID-19, but being hospitalized and/or being on a ventilator sounds bad enough. And honestly I don't even want to suffer at home with terrible fevers and gasping for breath, that sounds terrifying. Now I'm not sure avoiding being sick at home is worth giving up an entire year or more of my life, but that's a tough thing to choose between, honestly. And that's not even considering anyone else's health.
I definitely do find the decisions around this overwhelming, especially in absence of clear direction and leadership. I miss having plans and going out and doing things. I'm anxious to get back to some normal activities, but I don't know how I'll be able to determine when it's actually low risk to do so, or if we're just being told it's low risk because of the economy and politics.
A lot of people with “mild” cases are coming out of this with major lifelong kidney, liver, lung and heart problems that require on going monitoring, care and treatment.
Post by litskispeciality on May 29, 2020 11:53:48 GMT -5
One big thing for me is what they've decided to leave or re-open in my state, that had to build field hospitals for overflow of COVID patients...yet our Gov is an idiot for keeping a lot of stuff closed!? I have no problem with religion, but how/why should churches open first if you can't social distance at church and it doesn't bring in revenue to the economy? My dad watches church online every week, he's not without. If you're going to open something do it safely and have it make sense.
I'm sick of people saying just stay home if you don't like it. I worry about my friends who are working, or will have to go back getting infected. I worry about the a$$hat Trumpers who "don't need to wear a mask iTs mY WrIghT" who'll infect people.
Also probably unpopular opinion, but I wish they kept the dispensary open in my state during this time. It's one of the only things that's always had great social distancing (minus masks). They've made BILLIONS on it so far, put some of that money in to COVID relief or small business loan funds. The logic we're told is to keep people from other states away, but since you have to scan your license to buy it, just limit to state residents.
Post by litskispeciality on May 29, 2020 11:55:51 GMT -5
tacokick I've been saying that too, we don't know the long term effects. What if you're pregnant or will become pregnant after COVID, will you pass along health issues to your kids? We don't know that there is herd immunity in a lot of people getting this, as we don't know that you can't get it again. Even the chicken pox has a vaccine because if you had it you're more likely to get shingles, let's use that as a good reason to not infect everyone...well besides the other things like long term health problems or you know, death!
tacokick I've been saying that too, we don't know the long term effects. What if you're pregnant or will become pregnant after COVID, will you pass along health issues to your kids? We don't know that there is herd immunity in a lot of people getting this, as we don't know that you can't get it again. Even the chicken pox has a vaccine because if you had it you're more likely to get shingles, let's use that as a good reason to not infect everyone...well besides the other things like long term health problems or you know, death!
Yes! You might be “recovered” but now on dialysis for the rest of your life. A colleague “recovered” but now she has a heart issue that is going to require surgery of some sort in the future and this is after she was in the hospital for 3 weeks for a “mild” case.
One big thing for me is what they've decided to leave or re-open in my state, that had to build field hospitals for overflow of COVID patients...yet our Gov is an idiot for keeping a lot of stuff closed!? I have no problem with religion, but how/why should churches open first if you can't social distance at church and it doesn't bring in revenue to the economy? My dad watches church online every week, he's not without. If you're going to open something do it safely and have it make sense.
I'm sick of people saying just stay home if you don't like it. I worry about my friends who are working, or will have to go back getting infected. I worry about the a$$hat Trumpers who "don't need to wear a mask iTs mY WrIghT" who'll infect people.
Also probably unpopular opinion, but I wish they kept the dispensary open in my state during this time. It's one of the only things that's always had great social distancing (minus masks). They've made BILLIONS on it so far, put some of that money in to COVID relief or small business loan funds. The logic we're told is to keep people from other states away, but since you have to scan your license to buy it, just limit to state residents.
Weird about the dispensaries. We only have medical use legalized but they’ve been open this whole time.
I have always felt I'm unlikely to die from COVID-19, but being hospitalized and/or being on a ventilator sounds bad enough. And honestly I don't even want to suffer at home with terrible fevers and gasping for breath, that sounds terrifying. Now I'm not sure avoiding being sick at home is worth giving up an entire year or more of my life, but that's a tough thing to choose between, honestly. And that's not even considering anyone else's health.
I definitely do find the decisions around this overwhelming, especially in absence of clear direction and leadership. I miss having plans and going out and doing things. I'm anxious to get back to some normal activities, but I don't know how I'll be able to determine when it's actually low risk to do so, or if we're just being told it's low risk because of the economy and politics.
A lot of people with “mild” cases are coming out of this with major lifelong kidney, liver, lung and heart problems that require on going, monitoring, care and treatment.
Not to mention the children suffering from a BRAND NEW illness, pediatric multi system inflammatory syndrome. It almost killed a few kids I read about in articles.
The Covid might not kill you but the aftermath could. Or boot you off insurance if the republicans have their way.
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A lot of people with “mild” cases are coming out of this with major lifelong kidney, liver, lung and heart problems that require on going, monitoring, care and treatment.
Not to mention the children suffering from a BRAND NEW illness, pediatric multi system inflammatory syndrome. It almost killed a few kids I read about in articles.
The Covid might not kill you but the aftermath could. Or boot you off insurance if the republicans have their way.
Yup. We are going to be dealing with it for a long, long time.
Yes! You might be “recovered” but now on dialysis for the rest of your life. A colleague “recovered” but now she has a heart issue that is going to require surgery of some sort in the future and this is after she was in the hospital for 3 weeks for a “mild” case.
I agree that we don’t know the long term effects, there are a lot of clotting issues being seen.
I hope your friend is ok, but a 3 week hospital stay doesn’t sound mild to me.
No it, doesn’t. She was in France (stuck there after a work trip) and I think they tend keep you a little longer than they do here. She steadily improved but went downhill a bit after 2 weeks when they were getting ready to release her. They keep telling her it was “mild” though and that she was “lucky” because she was never in a coma or incubated?
The CDC is now reporting that the death rate is less than 1%. Does that change anyone's opinions on states reopening?
I think as other people have mentioned, my selfish fear (as a younger relatively healthy woman) isn’t that I’ll die. I’m afraid of all of the known and unknown long-term complications. We know a little about heart, lung, and clotting complications. What if it can hide in our system and come back more dangerous as some viruses do? Even relatively healthy people report that while they’ve recovered, they still have shortness of breath and can no longer be as physically active as they were.
Basically, dying isn’t the only problematic outcome to consider.
No it, doesn’t. She was in France (stuck there after a work trip) and I think they tend keep you a little longer than they do here. She steadily improved but went downhill a bit after 2 weeks when they were getting ready to release her. They keep telling her it was “mild” though and that she was “lucky” because she was never in a coma or incubated?
My ER doc friend has made a few comments about the two week mark of having COVID, she has seem people come in test positive and not need admission who come back sick as sheet closer to their 2 week mark. Also, people who have felt sick, not been tested declining at around the 2 week mark and coming in sick as shit. It makes me nervous to think that if you get it you’re not ‘out of the woods’ for several weeks, even if you’re managing at home.
I’ve heard that too. That’s one of the things that is so scary! She didn’t develop the heart issue until the third week.