Post by Captain Catnip on May 29, 2020 8:30:21 GMT -5
Those of you that were off and are back to work, so you will get to keep your pto? My employer is considering taking out away from everyone that still has it left because we were all off due to COVID. (They did pay us while we were off and got the ppp.) I just am curious to if this is the norm.
I have been working the whole time but my company is making us take every Friday as PTO. For people who have not worked, they are also required to take one day of PTO per week.
No. They just told us we need to take our 2020 vacation in 2020 otherwise we lose it. They wont let us carry any over (which is usual company policy anyway, they let us carry sick days and still are). We have all been working normal hours.
Post by liverandonions on May 29, 2020 8:54:25 GMT -5
We're not losing any (we've worked from home the whole time) and they're letting us carryover 10 days instead of 5 since so many people didn't get to use as much this year. I'm sure they just don't want everyone trying to cram in vacation days when this is over.
Post by rupertpenny on May 29, 2020 9:09:48 GMT -5
We have to use or lose our vacation days like normal. They expire at the end of August and I'm taking every Friday off from now until then to use them up.
I have been working from home but we actually got an email to make sure we take vacation time. Because they expect us to be busy toward end of year so it may be harder to get away.
Post by litskispeciality on May 29, 2020 9:26:15 GMT -5
My friend told me her company made everyone take a vacation day once a week during this time instead of Furlough, now they're down a week of PTO. Thankfully I'm still working and we haven't lost anything, but I anticipate them trying to tell us we can't take vaca when we're back because we're too busy, even though we're busy at home...
My company, where ordinarily we are given 5 sick days to use for the year (use or lose), announced mid March that everyone would be given an extra 3 days to make sure that anyone who became sick felt comfortable taking off. They also said the extra days were a temporary measure and any unused would be removed from the bank at the end of May.
I was sick with an unusual minor upper respiratory thing in early March (who knows if it was COVID), and was out for 4 days (off/on, over 2 weeks) with it. I had already used some of my regular sick time, so I had to use the extra days allotted. I think I have 1.5 days left now, and I expect it to be taken away now it's the end of May.
Of course, we are all still working from home except for a very skeleton crew still physically in the office, and we have no idea when we will be returning. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to let people keep the extra sick time for now. I have not heard of anyone in any of our 3 offices getting sick with COVID.
Ours is not taking it away. They are using the "COVID pay" option that means that if they pay people for the time off, that they get certain tax incentives. We have had two employees take the time off and we have already gotten the reimbursements. I don't know what any of that means, just want my CFO told me last time we met.
I have been working remotely and my PTO expires June 30 so I have been taking a day off per week and plan to take a whole week in June. No idea what I’ll do that week but I’m sure as hell not leaving days in the table.
My company made us take a day of PTO each week in hopes of not having to furlough anyone. It’s worked out well, but now I’m kind of sad that I won’t have enough vacation time to take a trip home to see family this summer.
Our organization is allowing us to carryover unused PTO instead of losing it. They also gave us extra, COVID leave to use for limited things like sick leave, inability to perform job from home, and dependent care.
If they got the PPP, I think it’s really crappy to make you use your PTO. Am I missing something? What would be the benefit to them?
They aren't making us use it, they are just eliminating it for the year. Which is a Jan to Dec year. I used mine up with a surgery since we have no STD here, but others haven't used any yet for obvs. Reasons. So if you haven't used it yet, it isn't going to happen because we were off for 2-3 months.
If they got the PPP, I think it’s really crappy to make you use your PTO. Am I missing something? What would be the benefit to them?
They aren't making us use it, they are just eliminating it for the year. Which is a Jan to Dec year. I used mine up with a surgery since we have no STD here, but others haven't used any yet for obvs. Reasons. So if you haven't used it yet, it isn't going to happen because we were off for 2-3 months.
Pardon my french, but that's horsesh!t. I see their side that you weren't working, but it's not like you said "hey I don't want to work, please pay me anyway". I guess they think you're backdating the PTO to cover the time you were paid but not working, but what about people who have lives and sh!t to do for the next 6 months? Like besides a trip or something. Ugh I'm sorry but I'm mad for you.
They aren't making us use it, they are just eliminating it for the year. Which is a Jan to Dec year. I used mine up with a surgery since we have no STD here, but others haven't used any yet for obvs. Reasons. So if you haven't used it yet, it isn't going to happen because we were off for 2-3 months.
Pardon my french, but that's horsesh!t. I see their side that you weren't working, but it's not like you said "hey I don't want to work, please pay me anyway". I guess they think you're backdating the PTO to cover the time you were paid but not working, but what about people who have lives and sh!t to do for the next 6 months? Like besides a trip or something. Ugh I'm sorry but I'm mad for you.
Not that I agree with it, but I wonder if it's a productivity thing? If they already lost 10+ weeks of work being done for the year, they may just not want people away from the office the rest of the year.
I think they are going to have to make exceptions for things like being sick, having surgery, caring for family, etc, though. It's not really reasonable to expect that nobody is going to have a good reason to be out in the next 7 months.
Post by TheSeaward on May 29, 2020 14:23:41 GMT -5
I lost all of my pto when they dropped me to part time. If i go back full time I'll get it back less the time i was pt Sucks, i had 18 days and only used 2 while i was ft
Per the email i got today - they are letting us carryover 5 days (we normally can’t carryover) And encouraging people to use their days to help maintain work/life balance. They must be used by Mar 31st. We’ve been working the entire time. Some of the staff was moved to full wfh and others of us have been on site. Starting next week they are allowing more people back on site.
I won’t have any problem using the 5 days if our current Christmas plans hold as I was off the first 5 days of the new year.
Taking PPP stuff and then taking away your PTO is annoying and a great way to lose your staff.
Post by picksthemusic on May 29, 2020 14:30:58 GMT -5
We did not get PTO taken away. We also got paid our full paychecks regardless of the hours we worked, and hazard pay due to working with the public (I'm in healthcare).
Post by litskispeciality on May 29, 2020 14:33:13 GMT -5
Wildrice that's a good point. Work has to get done, and just about every place minus maybe a restuarant will have a back log of not getting things accomplished.
We are keeping our sick and vacation time, even for those who were paid their full salary but not able to work full time at home due to facility closures.
We stop accruing vacation time once we hit our max amount, so they are also allowing people to cash out vacation days if planned vacations were canceled - even if people just decided not to take the time off they had requested and not like their flights were canceled or something.
I happened to need surgery during this, so I'd be pretty pissed about losing my paid time off (although I've been working full time from home, so losing my earned time off would make me pissed regardless).
Pardon my french, but that's horsesh!t. I see their side that you weren't working, but it's not like you said "hey I don't want to work, please pay me anyway". I guess they think you're backdating the PTO to cover the time you were paid but not working, but what about people who have lives and sh!t to do for the next 6 months? Like besides a trip or something. Ugh I'm sorry but I'm mad for you.
Not that I agree with it, but I wonder if it's a productivity thing? If they already lost 10+ weeks of work being done for the year, they may just not want people away from the office the rest of the year.
I think they are going to have to make exceptions for things like being sick, having surgery, caring for family, etc, though. It's not really reasonable to expect that nobody is going to have a good reason to be out in the next 7 months.
It's a retail establishment and the owners were still here and allowing people to shop when we were supposed to be legally closed. No one wears their masks, and they even had us come in 10 days before we legally were allowed.
I'm a Fed, and people who can't telework and weren't made to come in have been using "weather and safety leave", not their own PTO.
Pre-shelter-in-place, DH was potentially exposed to COVID, and told his employer as a courtesy. They told him to stay home for 2 weeks. He found out after the fact that they had charged this time to his PTO. And it was a pretty new job, so he didn't have much time accrued, so he now has a negative PTO balance. He's pushed back on it, but they're not budging.
My company sent an email today that we can carry over 20% where normally they don’t allow any carry over. HOWEVER they then said personal days can’t be taken, you must use vacation if you want time off and save personal days as extra sick days (in case you get covid and need more than our allotted 5 sick)
I think this is BS. They give 3 personal days per year and it’s ridiculous to say I can’t use them unless I get covid and use them to stretch my sick time.
Post by litskispeciality on May 29, 2020 18:13:49 GMT -5
This reminds me of something that happened at my friends husbands work. Other young guy gets exposed, so hes kept home. I'm not sure how much work they can do at home, but the guy didn't offer, just stayed home paid, not working. Now that he's back the company is looking for another reason to fire him. I assume he must be a bad overall employee, and I guess he should have asked of there was anything he could do at home...but is that a fireable offense? Why didn't the company call and assign him work? I have to ask my friend.
Post by sapphireblue on May 29, 2020 20:27:24 GMT -5
This might happen to us. I am super pissed off that they are even considering it.
We all worked from home. To varying degrees as we were able to--some had kids they were trying to teach, etc. and they were very understanding and said don't worry about it, etc. Do what you can, don't worry about your PTO, etc. Your salary for the year is already covered, it has already been budgeted for, it's all good. I work at a nonprofit.
We were just told last week that they might take some of our PTO. Like look at how much we accrue per week and then take away what accrued for the amount of weeks that we were closed. Even though many of us were working hard from home. Some weren't. But some were! I'm honestly so ripshit mad at them.