wanderingback, at least here protests have been mostly had high percentages of people wearing masks. People not wearing masks stand out it’s so noticeable. Whereas, people at beaches are not usually wearing masks and drinking. They also tend to crowd around restaurants and bars waiting for seating or takeout. I’ll be honest and say that I think social drinking in public leads to people becoming lax as the day/night goes on.
wanderingback Beach tags are not a thing here in California (though it could make sense in a pandemic.) Beaches are often located in pricy residential areas rather than boardwalks and commercial zones like in the east coast. The people who paid millions for their beachfront houses get really pissed when they are not allowed to access the beach and/or the parking is closed so the inlanders take up parking in front of their house. And those people often have connections to the city council members who make decisions about re-opening.
From what I’ve observed, beaches and parks being open for hanging out (versus active use— meaning you have to be walking/ running/ moving) leads to gatherings of 10+ unrelated people and drinking and in turn lack of social distancing.
wanderingback, at least here protests have been mostly had high percentages of people wearing masks. People not wearing masks stand out it’s so noticeable. Whereas, people at beaches are not usually wearing masks and drinking. They also tend to crowd around restaurants and bars waiting for seating or takeout. I’ll be honest and say that I think social drinking in public leads to people becoming lax as the day/night goes on.
wanderingback Beach tags are not a thing here in California (though it could make sense in a pandemic.) Beaches are often located in pricy residential areas rather than boardwalks and commercial zones like in the east coast. The people who paid millions for their beachfront houses get really pissed when they are not allowed to access the beach and/or the parking is closed so the inlanders take up parking in front of their house. And those people often have connections to the city council members who make decisions about re-opening.
From what I’ve observed, beaches and parks being open for hanging out (versus active use— meaning you have to be walking/ running/ moving) leads to gatherings of 10+ unrelated people and drinking and in turn lack of social distancing.
Yes I completely understand that. We’re in a pandemic now though. Parks here people have been gathering, I’m going to assume they’re mostly people not living together in general based on what I see. Like I said the virus is here to stay, most people don’t get hospitalized from Covid so we need to work on keeping things reasonable so people can go to work and live. Outdoor activities in general ok. Indoor not so much while numbers are rising. Need to keep outdoor options open especially so that hopefully numbers don’t go up and kids can go back to school. I really don’t think keeping beaches closed is going to solve Covid and make things a ton better. Have to assess risk vs benefit. Keeping outdoor things available seems to have much more benefits than risks. But maybe we’ll get new evidence that I’m wrong and beaches and parks are causing a lot of people to need to be hospitalized, if that’s the case then we’re really screwed!
sakoro it’s not just the rich people with pricey homes that are affected in LA at the beaches. I’m a mile from the beach, so not a multimillion dollar beach house but walking distance. But on crowded days like the summer holidays people park in my neighborhood and walk down. They “preparty” in their cars and throw their trash on the street. They come back up after drinking and drive at high speeds through our neighborhood which is comprised of narrow one way streets. And while we do have connections on our city council, in LA the beaches are controlled by the county, not the city. So my city council connection does nothing.
I also do t think any of us are worried about inlanders invading. I work for a company based in the Inland Empire and none of my colleagues have any desire to come out this way this weekend. Locally we are more worried about people letting their guard down and it spreading locally. In our part of LA numbers are still relatively low compared to what you see when you see LA County numbers. But there is a growing number of locals who haven’t been personally affected and feel this is all blown out of proportion so they have stopped adhering to the guidelines.
wanderingback Beach tags are not a thing here in California (though it could make sense in a pandemic.) Beaches are often located in pricy residential areas rather than boardwalks and commercial zones like in the east coast. The people who paid millions for their beachfront houses get really pissed when they are not allowed to access the beach and/or the parking is closed so the inlanders take up parking in front of their house. And those people often have connections to the city council members who make decisions about re-opening.
From what I’ve observed, beaches and parks being open for hanging out (versus active use— meaning you have to be walking/ running/ moving) leads to gatherings of 10+ unrelated people and drinking and in turn lack of social distancing.
Yes I completely understand that. We’re in a pandemic now though. Parks here people have been gathering, I’m going to assume they’re mostly people not living together in general based on what I see. Like I said the virus is here to stay, most people don’t get hospitalized from Covid so we need to work on keeping things reasonable so people can go to work and live. Outdoor activities in general ok. Indoor not so much while numbers are rising. Need to keep outdoor options open especially so that hopefully numbers don’t go up and kids can go back to school. I really don’t think keeping beaches closed is going to solve Covid and make things a ton better. Have to assess risk vs benefit. Keeping outdoor things available seems to have much more benefits than risks. But maybe we’ll get new evidence that I’m wrong and beaches and parks are causing a lot of people to need to be hospitalized, if that’s the case then we’re really screwed!
Totally agree that we have to keep outdoor things open. I favor the approach of keeping beaches and parks for active recreation (have to keep moving) rather than plopping down your cooler and towel and sitting all day.
At the beginning of shelter in place, public health people seemed to be concerned about the chronic disease and mental health impacts of not getting exercise. The local officials were encouraging the public to take socially distanced walks near their residence.
It’s complicated because everyone wants to go to the beautiful beach or trail rather than a boring walk in their own neighborhood. And beaches shouldn’t just to available to people who can afford CA beachfront property.
Yes I completely understand that. We’re in a pandemic now though. Parks here people have been gathering, I’m going to assume they’re mostly people not living together in general based on what I see. Like I said the virus is here to stay, most people don’t get hospitalized from Covid so we need to work on keeping things reasonable so people can go to work and live. Outdoor activities in general ok. Indoor not so much while numbers are rising. Need to keep outdoor options open especially so that hopefully numbers don’t go up and kids can go back to school. I really don’t think keeping beaches closed is going to solve Covid and make things a ton better. Have to assess risk vs benefit. Keeping outdoor things available seems to have much more benefits than risks. But maybe we’ll get new evidence that I’m wrong and beaches and parks are causing a lot of people to need to be hospitalized, if that’s the case then we’re really screwed!
Totally agree that we have to keep outdoor things open. I favor the approach of keeping beaches and parks for active recreation (have to keep moving) rather than plopping down your cooler and towel and sitting all day.
At the beginning of shelter in place, public health people seemed to be concerned about the chronic disease and mental health impacts of not getting exercise. The local officials were encouraging the public to take socially distanced walks near their residence.
It’s complicated because everyone wants to go to the beautiful beach or trail rather than a boring walk in their own neighborhood. And beaches shouldn’t just to available to people who can afford CA beachfront property.
I’m concerned about tourists from hot spots coming into SD to use the beaches but also eating at restaurants, shopping at grocery stores, etc. all the same things we have been talking about when people mentioned going to a cabin or second home. Someone isn’t driving six hours from AZ to go to the beach for the day and go home. They are going to be spreading their germs all over while we have an uptick in cases without them.
We have been to the beach several times since they reopened and feel like those visits are one of the things keeping us sane. We have always been able to find a space away from others and while I have seen some gatherings I think they’re generally safer outdoors where it’s windy. I think the solution is more patrolling. Also the comment that beaches and parks should only be used for recreation and people should keep moving is kind of ridiculous. I have two young children and our beach trips mean putting down a blanket and watching the kids play in the sand and waves.
That being said I understand why our beaches are closed this weekend, but I hope they find a better solution in the future.
Up here it’s neither Malibu beach front estates nor bars and boardwalks. It’s long, narrow, winding, cliff side roads through public lands. Shutting down the beach lots means people park on those beautiful but deadly curves.
Up here it’s neither Malibu beach front estates nor bars and boardwalks. It’s long, narrow, winding, cliff side roads through public lands. Shutting down the beach lots means people park on those beautiful but deadly curves.
But in Malibu on a holiday weekend you’re not getting into the lot anyway. We always end up parking on 1 because the lots are full.
Totally agree that we have to keep outdoor things open. I favor the approach of keeping beaches and parks for active recreation (have to keep moving) rather than plopping down your cooler and towel and sitting all day.
At the beginning of shelter in place, public health people seemed to be concerned about the chronic disease and mental health impacts of not getting exercise. The local officials were encouraging the public to take socially distanced walks near their residence.
It’s complicated because everyone wants to go to the beautiful beach or trail rather than a boring walk in their own neighborhood. And beaches shouldn’t just to available to people who can afford CA beachfront property.
I’m concerned about tourists from hot spots coming into SD to use the beaches but also eating at restaurants, shopping at grocery stores, etc. all the same things we have been talking about when people mentioned going to a cabin or second home. Someone isn’t driving six hours from AZ to go to the beach for the day and go home. They are going to be spreading their germs all over while we have an uptick in cases without them.
I worry about the Zonies too, particularly the mask-refusers who think it’s all a hoax. The only way to discourage them from coming is to shut down hotels and Airbnb’s. But that is a huge source of San Diego’s tax revenue. So I doubt the city will go that far.
Yeah I guess that’s why I was wondering if beaches have been linked to outbreaks of cases to get a better understanding. There have been protests (multiple per day) going on here for a month now. People often packed together outside for hours at a time and percentage of positive tests is going lower & there’s a lot of testing happening here.
Since the virus is here to stay I think we do have to be reasonable as well. Determine where benefits outweigh risks. No non-essential indoor stuff while keeping the outdoors open when cases are getting above threshold and hospitals are getting crowded. That’s why I was thinking if people are going to gather it’s better to give them a safer place to do so like parks, beaches, trails, outdoor dining, etc.
In areas here purchasing beach tags are required. That’s one way to help with overcrowding for example. We Definitely have to think of new ideas of how to handle things during the pandemic.
Ah, I see what you were asking — sorry! No, there hasn’t been anything specific linked to a beach here, as far as I know.
But that all makes sense and should be something to consider.
(Lurker here). The other issue with the open CA beaches are the lifeguards. I know of one beach where there were about half a dozen rescues the other week, and every person rescued tested positive for COVID at the hospital. It's making staffing lifeguards a nightmare when so many are having to quarantine after rescues.
Ah, I see what you were asking — sorry! No, there hasn’t been anything specific linked to a beach here, as far as I know.
But that all makes sense and should be something to consider.
(Lurker here). The other issue with the open CA beaches are the lifeguards. I know of one beach where there were about half a dozen rescues the other week, and every person rescued tested positive for COVID at the hospital. It's making staffing lifeguards a nightmare when so many are having to quarantine after rescues.
And the news yesterday reported two lifeguards in Newport Beach tested positive.
Post by susquehanna on Jul 2, 2020 16:36:05 GMT -5
Here in Pennsylvania, at our State Parks, up until a few weeks ago, the beach areas (and their respective parking lots and access roads) of our lakes were closed but the boat launches were open. So, at our nearby state park, in May and early June, on the weekends a ton of people parked in the boat launch parking lot and swam off of the boat launch. I noticed this because we pay to keep a boat and two canoes in a dry dock storage area at this particular boat dock.
Also, since the access road to the lake beach was closed, people parked along the road leading to the access road, and then walked around the barrier and walked down to the beach anyway.
We didn't even try to take our boat out during this time. However, on the Facebook group for owners of boats dry docked at this marina, people posted about how they complained to the park office.
We did take our canoes out. We had to ask people who were swimming in front of the boat launch (from a distance) to please get out of our way so that we could get our canoes in the water.
Pennsylvania finally opened the beach area for swimming, and then a lot of people finally stopped coming to the boat launch to swim.
Post by susquehanna on Jul 2, 2020 16:54:48 GMT -5
Allegheny County is the county that includes Pittsburgh and its one of the only counties in Pennsylvania that has its own health department.
The Health Director there just ordered all restaurants, bars, casinos, and any public place that has more than 25 people to close for one week. Take out and curbside food service are still permitted.
Miami Dade will have a 10pm curfew starting tomorrow. Masks are also now required both in public and private places with some exceptions (personal homes, religious services, while eating at restaurants etc.)
Allegheny County is the county that includes Pittsburgh and its one of the only counties in Pennsylvania that has its own health department.
The Health Director there just ordered all restaurants, bars, casinos, and any public place that has more than 25 people to close for one week. Take out and curbside food service are still permitted.
Allegheny and a few other more rural counties are really surging the PA numbers. I’m really glad Philly is pushing back indoor dining and bars until August 1st based on what’s happening elsewhere because our numbers are still pretty steady and I’d like them to stay that way.
Allegheny County is the county that includes Pittsburgh and its one of the only counties in Pennsylvania that has its own health department.
The Health Director there just ordered all restaurants, bars, casinos, and any public place that has more than 25 people to close for one week. Take out and curbside food service are still permitted.
Allegheny and a few other more rural counties are really surging the PA numbers. I’m really glad Philly is pushing back indoor dining and bars until August 1st based on what’s happening elsewhere because our numbers are still pretty steady and I’d like them to stay that way.
I live directly across the county line from Allegheny County. I am pretty sure that people will drive over the county line to drink in my community.
A person at my church (we meet virtually) said there hasn’t been a single case of covid world wide in anyone under 20.
Uhhh. What?
When I argued that was inaccurate, and that there are many many cases under the age of 20. He said he’s heard of them, but doesn’t believe it’s true.
He also said we’d get to meet again the Sunday after the election, because Covid will go away as soon as Election Day is over.
In case it’s not obvious. He’s a trump supporter.
I've seen that sentiment on FB a lot, and it irks me even more than a lot of other totally incorrect information.
If this is all a hoax to influence the election, why is the rest of the world having cases and doing shutdowns?
Are we really that arrogant that we think the whole world is this heavily invested in our election?
Or do we just not pay any attention to what is happening outside of the US and have no idea that this isn't just a US phenomenon?
It is maddening. All this misinformation and "I have freedom not to wear a mask" stuff is seriously making me want to stay off the internet.
I honestly think this lack of awareness about anything outside U.S. national borders is the case for many of those who believe it's a conspiracy to hurt Trump. It's mind-boggling.
Allegheny and a few other more rural counties are really surging the PA numbers. I’m really glad Philly is pushing back indoor dining and bars until August 1st based on what’s happening elsewhere because our numbers are still pretty steady and I’d like them to stay that way.
I live directly across the county line from Allegheny County. I am pretty sure that people will drive over the county line to drink in my community.
Yup. People were asking in a local Facebook group for restaurant/bar recs for Westmoreland, Butler, Washington counties.
Ah, I see what you were asking — sorry! No, there hasn’t been anything specific linked to a beach here, as far as I know.
But that all makes sense and should be something to consider.
(Lurker here). The other issue with the open CA beaches are the lifeguards. I know of one beach where there were about half a dozen rescues the other week, and every person rescued tested positive for COVID at the hospital. It's making staffing lifeguards a nightmare when so many are having to quarantine after rescues.
That might be the case in some places, but that doesn't affect many of the bay area beaches where there's no lifeguard on duty. I think it's really hard to generalize about CA beaches since the coastline is so vast and varied. I have visited two beaches in the bay area, and felt extremely safe--most of the time, we are 100+ yards away from the closest person or family.
(Lurker here). The other issue with the open CA beaches are the lifeguards. I know of one beach where there were about half a dozen rescues the other week, and every person rescued tested positive for COVID at the hospital. It's making staffing lifeguards a nightmare when so many are having to quarantine after rescues.
That might be the case in some places, but that doesn't affect many of the bay area beaches where there's no lifeguard on duty. I think it's really hard to generalize about CA beaches since the coastline is so vast and varied. I have visited two beaches in the bay area, and felt extremely safe--most of the time, we are 100+ yards away from the closest person or family.
This has been the case with the SoCal beaches we’ve visited too. I’ve felt very safe and could maintain our distance from others easily.
(Lurker here). The other issue with the open CA beaches are the lifeguards. I know of one beach where there were about half a dozen rescues the other week, and every person rescued tested positive for COVID at the hospital. It's making staffing lifeguards a nightmare when so many are having to quarantine after rescues.
That might be the case in some places, but that doesn't affect many of the bay area beaches where there's no lifeguard on duty. I think it's really hard to generalize about CA beaches since the coastline is so vast and varied. I have visited two beaches in the bay area, and felt extremely safe--most of the time, we are 100+ yards away from the closest person or family.
This actually occurred in the Bay Area, and it does have some affect on other beaches. Even if there isn’t a lifeguard, there are still first responders having to do water rescues. I’m pretty torn on the issue because I can see what you’re saying about the more deserted CA beaches. it would be easy to socially distance on the northern Bay Area beaches where I used to live (though not on a holiday or weekend). But it’s not been very safe COVID-wise for those called in when something goes wrong, and that’s where I struggle with open beaches.
Question. I was looking at the numbers today and while cases are going way up, the deaths seem to be much lower than they were before. Is there an obvious reason for this I'm missing?
Question. I was looking at the numbers today and while cases are going way up, the deaths seem to be much lower than they were before. Is there an obvious reason for this I'm missing?
Question. I was looking at the numbers today and while cases are going way up, the deaths seem to be much lower than they were before. Is there an obvious reason for this I'm missing?
I have noticed this, too. I'm trying to decide if this is good news, non news, or if we will see a big increase in deaths in coming weeks.
Question. I was looking at the numbers today and while cases are going way up, the deaths seem to be much lower than they were before. Is there an obvious reason for this I'm missing?
I have noticed this, too. I'm trying to decide if this is good news, non news, or if we will see a big increase in deaths in coming weeks.
In Arizona at least, it’s infecting younger folks, who are less likely to be hospitalized or die. So I suppose good news that it isn’t in nursing homes/ older adult communities yet? But with that much community transmission it’s only a matter of time before the older adults get it? 😞
I have noticed this, too. I'm trying to decide if this is good news, non news, or if we will see a big increase in deaths in coming weeks.
In Arizona at least, it’s infecting younger folks, who are less likely to be hospitalized or die. So I suppose good news that it isn’t in nursing homes/ older adult communities yet? But with that much community transmission it’s only a matter of time before the older adults get it? 😞
That what is was thinking- both that younger people are passing it more at bars/etc and that it will probably jump to care facilities and you'll see a huge spike.
Once it gets in a facility it seems like it spreads like wildfire (although maybe that is changing as PPE is more available?) and infects nearly everyone.