Weekend 7/31-8/2 Covid News and Chat

[Velar Fricative]

Figured we could combine the daily threads.

Watching Fauci and Redfield testifying today, it's streaming live through several media outlets for anyone interested.

Also, I am still so angry about Vanity Fair's Jared Kushner piece from yesterday's thread. 

[rubytue]

My BFF’s mom is a friends on FB. And ugh... she just posted something about legionaries disease from not washing your mask, and how that presents like covid. 🙄

In other news, I was talking to my MD friend last night. She and I were both on a cruise at the end of January, which had a lot of folks from Europe (music charter). There were a bunch of us, but she and I were sick afterward. Both tested negative for the flu (and both flu shots). I was only down for 2 days, she was out for 2 ish weeks. Really bad. Anyway, last night, she said as she learns more, she is becoming more and more convinced we had it. I brought up all the counterpoints, like we didn’t seem to spread it, that we know of. And the fact mine was only 2 days with makes no sense with my crappy immune system. She said “People who typically would get really sick are overall not getting bad COVID, and some folks suspect it’s because they can’t mount the immune response that causes all of the inflammation and symptoms! It’s a reversal of everything we know! 🤷🏼‍♀️😳🤯”. (PDQ my quote of her). He emojis are my brain right now...

[Velar Fricative]

Jim Jordan is the worst. He's trying to get Fauci to say that we should limit protests. WTF. Fauci's responses are reasonable in saying it's not up to him if protests be limited, people get arrested, etc. THAT'S NOT HIS ROLE YOU DUMBFUCK. I hate how Jim Jordan is on every important committee.

[Pom]

Jul 31, 2020 9:40:11 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jim Jordan is the worst. He's trying to get Fauci to say that we should limit protests. WTF. Fauci's responses are reasonable in saying it's not up to him if protests be limited, people get arrested, etc. THAT'S NOT HIS ROLE YOU DUMBFUCK. I hate how Jim Jordan is on every important committee.

I had to turn this shit off. Jordan is a shameless GOP attack dog, that they roll up for these occasions. He's scum.

[mockingbird]

rubytue, I have heard similar. I thought this was a pretty good article on current theories

www.ucsf.edu/magazine/covid-body?fbclid=IwAR0Cfw_qzKDHUn-agWkCcblIayN1s2RakUNS7OtJPOjyfetV8_i1kYILJAM

[pugz]

Jordan reminds me of Jam from Parks and Rec

[rubytue]

mockingbird, thanks. It’s totally fascinating. And shocking. Thanks for the article!

[NewOrleans]

Study re: @@@

www.luriechildrens.org/en/news-stories/young-kids-could-spread-covid-19-as-much-as-older-children-and-adults/

A study from Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago discovered that children younger than 5 years with mild to moderate COVID-19 have much higher levels of genetic material for the virus in the nose compared to older children and adults. Findings, published in JAMA Pediatrics, point to the possibility that the youngest children transmit the virus as much as other age groups. The ability of younger children to spread COVID-19 may have been under-recognized given the rapid and sustained closure of schools and daycare during the pandemic.

[mskitkat]

Jul 31, 2020 11:17:30 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Study re: @@@

www.luriechildrens.org/en/news-stories/young-kids-could-spread-covid-19-as-much-as-older-children-and-adults/

A study from Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago discovered that children younger than 5 years with mild to moderate COVID-19 have much higher levels of genetic material for the virus in the nose compared to older children and adults. Findings, published in JAMA Pediatrics, point to the possibility that the youngest children transmit the virus as much as other age groups. The ability of younger children to spread COVID-19 may have been under-recognized given the rapid and sustained closure of schools and daycare during the pandemic.

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That fits in well with this tweet I just saw regarding an overnight camp in Georgia. Paper to be published soon, but you can click through the tweet to get it.
From a reporter for Nature, Amy Maxman

NEW from CDC: #COVID19 outbreak at an overnight camp in Georgia infects *at least* 260 campers & staff.
-51% of positives 6-10yo
-44% 11-17 yo
-Camp required a test <12 days before arriving & attempted "pods"
-Masks required for staff but NOT campers
(1/2)

-*Out of 597 campers & staff, 344 were tested and 76% of those tests were positive

-26% positives report no symptoms

-Bottom line from @cdcgov: Children of *all* ages are susceptible to #SARSCOV2 & "might play an important role in transmission"

Paper online soon & here (2/2)

[sonrisa]

Jul 31, 2020 8:49:32 GMT -5 rubytue said:

In other news, I was talking to my MD friend last night. She and I were both on a cruise at the end of January, which had a lot of folks from Europe (music charter). There were a bunch of us, but she and I were sick afterward. Both tested negative for the flu (and both flu shots). I was only down for 2 days, she was out for 2 ish weeks. Really bad. Anyway, last night, she said as she learns more, she is becoming more and more convinced we had it.

Did she get the antibody test?

(She's right that some of the serious cases are from overactive immune responses. Especially in kids, but also adults. Severity of case while correlated with things like age and preexisting condition does have an element of chance. If she thinks she had it, she can get a better guess with the antibody test).

[rubytue]

sonrisa , we were talking about that. You’d think she would have, given the practicing MD thing (pediatrician). But no...

I have two doctor friends where I have to tell them to go to the doctor 🙄. For one, I was like “dude, you would have told me to go to the ER for that.” (This is one where I was his patient for awhile, no longer dr/pt, but friends)

[BlondeSpiders]

Jul 31, 2020 10:58:50 GMT -5 pugz said:

Jordan reminds me of Jam from Parks and Rec

[carmenere]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but are the dashboards that individual state departments of public health publish based on data from HHS, or are states collecting test results directly?

[pixy0stix]

@@@@

Here's a link to the paper for the overnight camp statistics. cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/115927771_214937763184767_6033883030626772506_n.pdf/mm6931e1-H.pdf

[pugz]

Jul 31, 2020 13:51:02 GMT -5 carmenere said:

Maybe this is a dumb question, but are the dashboards that individual state departments of public health publish based on data from HHS, or are states collecting test results directly?

ours gets it directly I believe.  All the data is sent to a local agency and then sent to the state.

[susquehanna]

So, in Westmoreland County, PA, the new protocol for the county jail is to test all newly booked inmates for Covid. So, they tested a newly booked inmate, and then, before the results were received, they took him to a courtroom for a hearing.

After the hearing, the results came back as positive.

"The jail’s protocol did not preclude the inmate from being removed from quarantine to attend a hearing at the courthouse," per this article. 

Here is one of the parts that confuses me:


Mears said neither he nor his staff is believed to be at great risk for the virus and are not required to quarantine since none had direct contact with the inmate for 15 minutes, as prescribed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the state’s Department of Health. Still, his courtroom was closed on Friday to be cleaned and as a precaution he and his staff will be tested for the virus.

“Since we are scheduled for trials next week, everyone will be tested to assure the public we have negative results,” Mears said. “We were told we will have instant results. It’s obviously a concerning situation and we take this seriously.”



Where are they going to get the "instant results?"

[bugandbibs]

Jul 31, 2020 14:28:45 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

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Here's a link to the paper for the overnight camp statistics. cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/115927771_214937763184767_6033883030626772506_n.pdf/mm6931e1-H.pdf

This link isn’t working for me.

[nsl]

Jul 31, 2020 18:04:01 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

So, in Westmoreland County, PA, the new protocol for the county jail is to test all newly booked inmates for Covid. So, they tested a newly booked inmate, and then, before the results were received, they took him to a courtroom for a hearing.

After the hearing, the results came back as positive.

"The jail’s protocol did not preclude the inmate from being removed from quarantine to attend a hearing at the courthouse," per this article. 

Here is one of the parts that confuses me:


Mears said neither he nor his staff is believed to be at great risk for the virus and are not required to quarantine since none had direct contact with the inmate for 15 minutes, as prescribed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the state’s Department of Health. Still, his courtroom was closed on Friday to be cleaned and as a precaution he and his staff will be tested for the virus.

“Since we are scheduled for trials next week, everyone will be tested to assure the public we have negative results,” Mears said. “We were told we will have instant results. It’s obviously a concerning situation and we take this seriously.”



Where are they going to get the "instant results?"

I know that rapid tests exist because my BFF is running them now in her primary care clinic.  They're not "instant" and they take special tests and equipment to run, but they do exist.

[georgeglass]

Jul 31, 2020 19:49:33 GMT -5 nsl said:

Jul 31, 2020 18:04:01 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

So, in Westmoreland County, PA, the new protocol for the county jail is to test all newly booked inmates for Covid. So, they tested a newly booked inmate, and then, before the results were received, they took him to a courtroom for a hearing.

After the hearing, the results came back as positive.

"The jail’s protocol did not preclude the inmate from being removed from quarantine to attend a hearing at the courthouse," per this article. 

Here is one of the parts that confuses me:


Mears said neither he nor his staff is believed to be at great risk for the virus and are not required to quarantine since none had direct contact with the inmate for 15 minutes, as prescribed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the state’s Department of Health. Still, his courtroom was closed on Friday to be cleaned and as a precaution he and his staff will be tested for the virus.

“Since we are scheduled for trials next week, everyone will be tested to assure the public we have negative results,” Mears said. “We were told we will have instant results. It’s obviously a concerning situation and we take this seriously.”



Where are they going to get the "instant results?"

I know that rapid tests exist because my BFF is running them now in her primary care clinic.  They're not "instant" and they take special tests and equipment to run, but they do exist.

If it's the Abbott rapid test, they're not very reliable - www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/14/856531970/fda-cautions-about-accuracy-of-widely-used-abbott-coronavirus-test
which is saying something, because none of the covid tests are very reliable (high false negative rates).

[timorousbeastie]

Jul 31, 2020 19:34:45 GMT -5 bugandbibs said:

Jul 31, 2020 14:28:45 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

@@@@

Here's a link to the paper for the overnight camp statistics. cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/115927771_214937763184767_6033883030626772506_n.pdf/mm6931e1-H.pdf

This link isn’t working for me.

Hopefully this one works: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6931e1-H.pdf

[7costanza]

Jul 31, 2020 18:04:01 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

So, in Westmoreland County, PA, the new protocol for the county jail is to test all newly booked inmates for Covid. So, they tested a newly booked inmate, and then, before the results were received, they took him to a courtroom for a hearing.

After the hearing, the results came back as positive.

"The jail’s protocol did not preclude the inmate from being removed from quarantine to attend a hearing at the courthouse," per this article. 

Here is one of the parts that confuses me:


Mears said neither he nor his staff is believed to be at great risk for the virus and are not required to quarantine since none had direct contact with the inmate for 15 minutes, as prescribed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the state’s Department of Health. Still, his courtroom was closed on Friday to be cleaned and as a precaution he and his staff will be tested for the virus.

“Since we are scheduled for trials next week, everyone will be tested to assure the public we have negative results,” Mears said. “We were told we will have instant results. It’s obviously a concerning situation and we take this seriously.”



Where are they going to get the "instant results?"

My son was tested in the ER a couple weekends ago (negative, ended up being roseola most likely), and we had the results within 8 hours. Not instant, but very fast.

[AAM2012]

Jul 31, 2020 22:27:20 GMT -5 7costanza said:

Jul 31, 2020 18:04:01 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

So, in Westmoreland County, PA, the new protocol for the county jail is to test all newly booked inmates for Covid. So, they tested a newly booked inmate, and then, before the results were received, they took him to a courtroom for a hearing.

After the hearing, the results came back as positive.

"The jail’s protocol did not preclude the inmate from being removed from quarantine to attend a hearing at the courthouse," per this article. 

Here is one of the parts that confuses me:


Mears said neither he nor his staff is believed to be at great risk for the virus and are not required to quarantine since none had direct contact with the inmate for 15 minutes, as prescribed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the state’s Department of Health. Still, his courtroom was closed on Friday to be cleaned and as a precaution he and his staff will be tested for the virus.

“Since we are scheduled for trials next week, everyone will be tested to assure the public we have negative results,” Mears said. “We were told we will have instant results. It’s obviously a concerning situation and we take this seriously.”



Where are they going to get the "instant results?"

My son was tested in the ER a couple weekends ago (negative, ended up being roseola most likely), and we had the results within 8 hours. Not instant, but very fast.

Yep my mom is in the hospital now and they had the results in ~1 hour. It was negative so they’re doing a second one.

But given the false negatives and all the unknowns about the virus a negative doesn’t make me feel much better given her symptoms.

[audette]

Aug 1, 2020 5:19:32 GMT -5 AAM2012 said:

Jul 31, 2020 22:27:20 GMT -5 7costanza said:

My son was tested in the ER a couple weekends ago (negative, ended up being roseola most likely), and we had the results within 8 hours. Not instant, but very fast.

Yep my mom is in the hospital now and they had the results in ~1 hour. It was negative so they’re doing a second one.

But given the false negatives and all the unknowns about the virus a negative doesn’t make me feel much better given her symptoms.

I am having an outpatient procedure done in a few weeks, and the hospital requires I come to them for a covid test 24-48 hours before my procedure. And then isolate until the procedure.

[underwaterrhymes]

Aug 1, 2020 10:13:44 GMT -5 audette said:

Aug 1, 2020 5:19:32 GMT -5 AAM2012 said:

Yep my mom is in the hospital now and they had the results in ~1 hour. It was negative so they’re doing a second one.

But given the false negatives and all the unknowns about the virus a negative doesn’t make me feel much better given her symptoms.

I am having an outpatient procedure done in a few weeks, and the hospital requires I come to them for a covid test 24-48 hours before my procedure. And then isolate until the procedure.

Same. I’ve had surgery twice in the past two months and for both I had to have a COVID test before and self-isolate. Both were throat rather than nasal swabs and we had results within 24 hours both times.

[rubytue]

Hospitals are most likely running the tests in house, while private practice doctors and community testing is going out to labs, where there is a backlog. H went to a community test site and it went to LabCorp (6 days). But when his doctor ordered a test, he was tested at a drive thru test site at the hospital she is affiliated with, and that was ~6 hours.

edit, the first was in April, the second in July.

[klee23]

Jul 31, 2020 18:04:01 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

So, in Westmoreland County, PA, the new protocol for the county jail is to test all newly booked inmates for Covid. So, they tested a newly booked inmate, and then, before the results were received, they took him to a courtroom for a hearing.

After the hearing, the results came back as positive.

"The jail’s protocol did not preclude the inmate from being removed from quarantine to attend a hearing at the courthouse," per this article. 

Here is one of the parts that confuses me:


Mears said neither he nor his staff is believed to be at great risk for the virus and are not required to quarantine since none had direct contact with the inmate for 15 minutes, as prescribed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the state’s Department of Health. Still, his courtroom was closed on Friday to be cleaned and as a precaution he and his staff will be tested for the virus.

“Since we are scheduled for trials next week, everyone will be tested to assure the public we have negative results,” Mears said. “We were told we will have instant results. It’s obviously a concerning situation and we take this seriously.”



Where are they going to get the "instant results?"

susquehanna
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[Velar Fricative]

Piece about the first person to undergo a double lung transplant after covid. Oh, she’s 28 years old. Has a treated autoimmune condition but still very healthy overall pre-covid.

www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/Covid-lung-transplant.html

[Saudade]

We've exploded again in cases here, which is nothing like anywhere else but we went from one ICU patient to >10 in the span of 2 days. And all I see are my coworkers going to weddings, going to the bar, going to concerts. It is unconscionable that nurses are doing this. They seem to think they're invincible. Several have tested positive, asymptomatically, and yet still continue this behavior.

[krystee]

Aug 2, 2020 10:07:14 GMT -5 Saudade said:

We've exploded again in cases here, which is nothing like anywhere else but we went from one ICU patient to >10 in the span of 2 days. And all I see are my coworkers going to weddings, going to the bar, going to concerts. It is unconscionable that nurses are doing this. They seem to think they're invincible. Several have tested positive, asymptomatically, and yet still continue this behavior.

My mom is an ER nurse. Her coworkers were mad when she lectured them about hosting a farewell party for one of their fellow nurses. 35 of them (plus their spouses and others) went to one party. If even medical professionals on the front lines aren’t being safe, how are we expecting anyone to take it seriously?!

[spindle92]

Sweet Jesus, I just read that Sturgis, the bike rally in South Dakota is still on for next week.


I have no words.