Problem is, to me its too late. ND is very red state and people are not going to all of a sudden start wearing them now.
It is too late. We're at a daily rate of 15%. I doubt anyone will actually wear their mask. Fargo said they would enforce a $500 fine but I doubt it. The governor said he wouldn't do a state wide mandate because no one would actually do it. Also, he's running for reelection.
We're starting the next step up in COVID restrictions because people can't fucking follow guidelines. Numbers are trending in the wrong direction so several counties are doing the same.
I keep on wondering if some governors are waiting until after the election to step up restrictions.
I think NC should be more restricted, based on current numbers. However, the current governor losing reelection would be disastrous for our covid response. Dan Forest is the worst.
A lot of people in MD think Hogan is waiting for the election. According to the plan he published to reopen, we should have rolled back restrictions weeks ago, when our hospitalizations started going up again. Instead he's pushing the counties that have delayed reopening to start opening before they're ready, citing "the economy!" He keeps issuing statements that our number are better than XX number of other states! Meanwhile, our % positive has gone from 2.something% to 3.8% today with increases in hospitalizations and ICU beds, and our % pos of new cases (not counting retests) is something like 9%. People in my "rural" county are all acting like it's over. It's only a matter of time with the cold weather coming for us to have to shut down again. The question is how long it takes, because it could be really bad if Hogan takes too long to call it.
We're starting the next step up in COVID restrictions because people can't fucking follow guidelines. Numbers are trending in the wrong direction so several counties are doing the same.
We have a dial, and our governor has been really hesitant to turn things back. On Monday he said it's definitely an option, bit not something he's considering given where we are right now. The election isn't an issue here, since he's not up for re-election till 2022.
Honestly I think he's in between a rock and a hard place and won't do anything official unless things get really dire. And I get it.
We're surrounded by states without restrictions. If he dials back, people who want to hit up restaurants and bars that badly are just going to go to Iowa, Wisconsin, North Dakota, or South Dakota, where things are WAY worse. Most places in the state are within a couple hours one of those states - and the places that aren't close aren't following the current restrictions anyway.
I'm probably not phrasing that well.
It is clear to me and I 100% agree.
A lot of friends are really angry that he isn't being more aggressive but honestly I don't disagree with his approach. Like you said, we are surrounded by other states that are doing a shit job. Wouldn't a coherent federal response be lovely?
Saudade None if it surprises me. I am thankful my in-laws are taking it seriously and have always worn masks. Unfortunately they are in the minority.
Thank you for all you do.
A former coworker who lives in Bismarck just got home from her honeymoon and was bragging about how her new husband was refusing to wear a mask. People are so stupid.
Our hospitals are full but realistically the patients overall are doing better than before. It doesn't mean people can let their guard down.
We also have a lot of coworkers who are positive or recently were positive because they went to someone's wedding. Idiots. It's not that hard. Don't go. And for those that are still holding their weddings, don't you feel guilty when people get covid from your wedding??? I would feel awful.
Post by seeyalater52 on Oct 28, 2020 11:05:33 GMT -5
Covid numbers here are officially up higher than they were at the height of the first wave. We are not surrounded by states that are doing a poor job but cases are rising in some of those states as well. It’s barely even gotten cold here so I can’t inagine what things will look like this winter. So far the governor hasn’t taken any steps to roll us back to the level of restrictions we were at previously in the spring, which I think is probably a mistake. She keeps threatening to do so but the train has really left the station in terms of cases and in terms of the sentiment by many residents that they will refuse to do what she orders. Just a barrel of laughs over here.
Post by formerlyak on Oct 28, 2020 11:07:08 GMT -5
With Justin Turner and the WS pull, I read that the inconclusive results were received in the second inning, so they could not have just told him to stay home.
With regard to exposing families, etc., from what I understand in order for families to be in the hotel, family seats, on the field, they had to quarantine and then be tested before they were allowed in the hotel or in the family seats. Once they did, they had the same restrictions as the players and everyone was tested daily. The hotel they stayed in was closed to the public - only teams, families and staff were staying there. So they were likely all already exposed. Not saying it was the right choice, and the optics are terrible, but my guess is that was their logic.
I didn't know where to put this but decided in the COVID thread. University of Wisconsin had to cancel their football game against Nebraska this weekend. Too many COVID cases.
Saudade None if it surprises me. I am thankful my in-laws are taking it seriously and have always worn masks. Unfortunately they are in the minority.
Thank you for all you do.
A former coworker who lives in Bismarck just got home from her honeymoon and was bragging about how her new husband was refusing to wear a mask. People are so stupid.
Our hospitals are full but realistically the patients overall are doing better than before. It doesn't mean people can let their guard down.
We also have a lot of coworkers who are positive or recently were positive because they went to someone's wedding. Idiots. It's not that hard. Don't go. And for those that are still holding their weddings, don't you feel guilty when people get covid from your wedding??? I would feel awful.
I feel this way about my mom having a retirement party. She's keeping it to like 10 people and having it on their garage (heated, one of those garage screen door things) but I'm just like "will it be worth it when one of your co-workers gets really sick?"
But at the same time I understand how it doesn't feel like it's hitting their area that badly when the case numbers are relatively low... But with such a low population, those numbers aren't actually low.
Saudade None if it surprises me. I am thankful my in-laws are taking it seriously and have always worn masks. Unfortunately they are in the minority.
Thank you for all you do.
A former coworker who lives in Bismarck just got home from her honeymoon and was bragging about how her new husband was refusing to wear a mask. People are so stupid.
Our hospitals are full but realistically the patients overall are doing better than before. It doesn't mean people can let their guard down.
We also have a lot of coworkers who are positive or recently were positive because they went to someone's wedding. Idiots. It's not that hard. Don't go. And for those that are still holding their weddings, don't you feel guilty when people get covid from your wedding??? I would feel awful.
I have a harder time being on social media these days seeing weddings, parties, etc vs political stuff.
Honestly, I am a bit of a holiday curmudgeon so I am just fine not having the usual pressure and stress of Thanksgiving.
A former coworker who lives in Bismarck just got home from her honeymoon and was bragging about how her new husband was refusing to wear a mask. People are so stupid.
Our hospitals are full but realistically the patients overall are doing better than before. It doesn't mean people can let their guard down.
We also have a lot of coworkers who are positive or recently were positive because they went to someone's wedding. Idiots. It's not that hard. Don't go. And for those that are still holding their weddings, don't you feel guilty when people get covid from your wedding??? I would feel awful.
I feel this way about my mom having a retirement party. She's keeping it to like 10 people and having it on their garage (heated, one of those garage screen door things) but I'm just like "will it be worth it when one of your co-workers gets really sick?"
But at the same time I understand how it doesn't feel like it's hitting their area that badly when the case numbers are relatively low... But with such a low population, those numbers aren't actually low.
Yeah when you compare to the cities, the rates are lower, but they're still significant. And it's more likely to be someone known but it still seems so distant for them. I'm doing my clinical near there and it's the same there. It's so frustrating.
A former coworker who lives in Bismarck just got home from her honeymoon and was bragging about how her new husband was refusing to wear a mask. People are so stupid.
Our hospitals are full but realistically the patients overall are doing better than before. It doesn't mean people can let their guard down.
We also have a lot of coworkers who are positive or recently were positive because they went to someone's wedding. Idiots. It's not that hard. Don't go. And for those that are still holding their weddings, don't you feel guilty when people get covid from your wedding??? I would feel awful.
I have a harder time being on social media these days seeing weddings, parties, etc vs political stuff.
Honestly, I am a bit of a holiday curmudgeon so I am just fine not having the usual pressure and stress of Thanksgiving.
I agree with you, I've scaled back so much because the majority of my coworkers are being so irresponsible.
I have no problems staying at home doing "nothing" but these 20somethings are struggling and I.Just.Don't.Care. The weddings are OOC here. Where is the sense of personal responsibility?
I have a harder time being on social media these days seeing weddings, parties, etc vs political stuff.
Honestly, I am a bit of a holiday curmudgeon so I am just fine not having the usual pressure and stress of Thanksgiving.
I agree with you, I've scaled back so much because the majority of my coworkers are being so irresponsible.
I have no problems staying at home doing "nothing" but these 20somethings are struggling and I.Just.Don't.Care. The weddings are OOC here. Where is the sense of personal responsibility?
It makes me so angry, today I just feel sick to my stomach about it all even. We've scaled back in every way possible, from not seeing family, not going out to eat, ended up missing all vacations this year, all concerts,etc, etc. And to see people on social media galavanting around like nothing is happening??!! Can y'all just stay put? Just for a little bit? Can you avoid the selfies with your faces all squished up together, non-masked? Is that too much to ask for?? Apparently it is.
Saudade None if it surprises me. I am thankful my in-laws are taking it seriously and have always worn masks. Unfortunately they are in the minority.
Thank you for all you do.
We also have a lot of coworkers who are positive or recently were positive because they went to someone's wedding. Idiots. It's not that hard. Don't go. And for those that are still holding their weddings, don't you feel guilty when people get covid from your wedding??? I would feel awful.
It seems more and more certain that what's driving these increases are private indoor gatherings like weddings. Far fewer people seem to be pushing back fall weddings like they did in the spring/summer. Sweet 16s are happening again. So are communion parties and graduation parties that were postponed from the spring, etc. And of course, with colder weather, they're all back to being indoors. But yeah, I could never live with that guilt. Like, I think about that Maine wedding that KILLED at least 8 people...none of whom actually attended the wedding! But I believe the couple are MAGA people so they probably don't have hearts.
This is why I feel way more comfortable going into indoor establishments that require masks, appointments, and distancing at all times versus inviting extended family members for Thanksgiving dinner where we know there will be no distancing or mask-wearing around the table, on a holiday that is centered around food.
Post by breezy8407 on Oct 28, 2020 11:47:40 GMT -5
I have a FB friend who is an epidemiologist. She posted something yesterday that I've been saying all along in a similar way "Just because you like or love somebody, doesn't mean they aren't or can't be infectious."
If someone has been exposed, that doesn't mean they've contracted the disease. We know that the longer the exposure, the more likely that a person will end up positive. Further, there is good reason to believe that a stronger/longer exposure can cause a more severe case (dose effect).
So just because this jerk had already been around his teammates and their families does not mean that he was not risking their health by further exposing them. So frustrating!
"If you choose to wear a mask, go ahead. But mandating that for every citizen in the city of Bismarck is actually anti-American. We're freedom defenders," Stevens said.
Lisa Klein, who works in health care, said she was at the protest to support a person's freedom to decide what's best for his or her own body."
Huh. I wonder if she is pro-life?
Cool. So she’s good with a doctor doing her heart surgery with no mask because they have the right to make that decision for themselves
Justin Turner is an idiot. The video I show showed him hugging multiple people. It looked like all the teammates had on masks but he was hugging multiple women all who didn’t have masks on.
Even if he was on the field, he could have kept his mask on and stayed 20 feet away from people. He was on a damn baseball field. But instead he was walking around hugging all these folks.
We also have a lot of coworkers who are positive or recently were positive because they went to someone's wedding. Idiots. It's not that hard. Don't go. And for those that are still holding their weddings, don't you feel guilty when people get covid from your wedding??? I would feel awful.
It seems more and more certain that what's driving these increases are private indoor gatherings like weddings. Far fewer people seem to be pushing back fall weddings like they did in the spring/summer. Sweet 16s are happening again. So are communion parties and graduation parties that were postponed from the spring, etc. And of course, with colder weather, they're all back to being indoors. But yeah, I could never live with that guilt. Like, I think about that Maine wedding that KILLED at least 8 people...none of whom actually attended the wedding! But I believe the couple are MAGA people so they probably don't have hearts.
This is why I feel way more comfortable going into indoor establishments that require masks, appointments, and distancing at all times versus inviting extended family members for Thanksgiving dinner where we know there will be no distancing or mask-wearing around the table, on a holiday that is centered around food.
As I have mentioned before, I work in the wedding industry. The bolded above is true. I have not had one of my weddings cancel/move that were scheduled every weekend from Labor Day - Nov. 14. Most have shrunk substantially in size. Some have had 100+ (mostly in SC where there are no limits). In NC, several have moved receptions outdoors and limit to 50 per our state rules. There is still dancing, 8 people per table etc.
Also, it’s personal responsibility for everyone else. It’s freedom when it’s pertaining to yourself. At least, that’s what it seems like for these hypocrites.
Recording with Woodward from April where he bragged about Trump taking away power from the doctors, the political decision involved with owning reopening but not anything else, etc.
I didn't know where to put this but decided in the COVID thread. University of Wisconsin had to cancel their football game against Nebraska this weekend. Too many COVID cases.
Everyone around here is watching U of IL closely now since they played Wisconsin Friday night. IL has done really well with all this, so it'll suck if they have positives now.
I'm so curious which day of the weekend the Wisconsin QB tested positive, not that there's a huge difference if it was Sunday vs Saturday.
I didn't know where to put this but decided in the COVID thread. University of Wisconsin had to cancel their football game against Nebraska this weekend. Too many COVID cases.
Everyone around here is watching U of IL closely now since they played Wisconsin Friday night. IL has done really well with all this, so it'll suck if they have positives now.
I'm so curious which day of the weekend the Wisconsin QB tested positive, not that there's a huge difference if it was Sunday vs Saturday.
I didn't even think about Illinois with all of this. Yuck
Our county commissioners are talking about "mask mandates arent working because our numbers are going up, and the holidays are coming, and people are just tired of covid, and the economy, so we should probably just give up on it all."
Obviously a paraphrase, but where can I go in the world where "we are just sick of it" isn't a reason to stop caring about public health?
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Where the county goes, the schools go, and if they open up fully, I'm not sure I can keep working or send my kids and feel okay about it.
Covid numbers here are officially up higher than they were at the height of the first wave. We are not surrounded by states that are doing a poor job but cases are rising in some of those states as well. It’s barely even gotten cold here so I can’t inagine what things will look like this winter. So far the governor hasn’t taken any steps to roll us back to the level of restrictions we were at previously in the spring, which I think is probably a mistake. She keeps threatening to do so but the train has really left the station in terms of cases and in terms of the sentiment by many residents that they will refuse to do what she orders. Just a barrel of laughs over here.
Update: looks like the Gov scheduled a press conference for tomorrow to announce “new restrictions.” I’m relieved. I hope we can get things back under control here.
Our county commissioners are talking about "mask mandates arent working because our numbers are going up, and the holidays are coming, and people are just tired of covid, and the economy, so we should probably just give up on it all."
Obviously a paraphrase, but where can I go in the world where "we are just sick of it" isn't a reason to stop caring about public health?
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Where the county goes, the schools go, and if they open up fully, I'm not sure I can keep working or send my kids and feel okay about it.
Mask mandates are working, but they don’t impact what’s really driving these increases - family/friend gatherings, especially indoors. Our numbers would be way worse if we didn’t have to wear masks in schools, businesses, houses of worship, etc.
People just don’t want to wear the masks with friends or family, especially inside their houses. But, i truly believe it would make such a huge difference. We can’t really mandate that though.