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One of my biggest concerns right now is that we don't currently have authorization for children to get the vaccine. How long will it take before most children are vaccinated? Until high rates of adults are vaccinated, will children be huge drivers of covid?
My jealousy of those who get the vaccination stems from my fear that I will have to go back to teaching in-person school again before I get mine. I'm also frustrated that my 75 year old mother is still not eligible in her county. She's getting more depressed by the day and the vaccine is all she talks about.
This week, I see my university professor friends in another state are getting vaccinated as educators, while continuing to work from home and I'm jealous. Teachers are supposed to be in 1b in my state, but it feels like my county is taking forever to get there. Meanwhile, my school district keeps talking plans to get us elementary teachers back in the buildings as soon as possible, but any details or plans about vaccinations have been completely absent. Each day that passes without any hint of a plan makes me feel more anxious. I feel like I'm starting to obsesses about it a little.
@ (discussion of children and their role in public health, not individual children)
One of my biggest concerns right now is that we don't currently have authorization for children to get the vaccine. How long will it take before most children are vaccinated? Until high rates of adults are vaccinated, will children be huge drivers of covid?
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Yes I wonder about this too. There seems to be little to no discussion of this in the news sources Iām reading.
Honestly besides visiting my grandmother the only other thing I really am missing about covid is having my kids in school. With one beginning middle school and one beginning kindergarten next year I feel like Iām in limbo trying to plan for what to do for them and how things will look. And it all seems to hinge on when/how the vaccination for kids will play out.
@ (discussion of children and their role in public health, not individual children)
One of my biggest concerns right now is that we don't currently have authorization for children to get the vaccine. How long will it take before most children are vaccinated? Until high rates of adults are vaccinated, will children be huge drivers of covid?
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I donāt believe there are any trials taking place for children under 12 yet. This is very frustrating but I also need to read up on how we were able to know vaccines were safe for kids before (my mind is going to bad places when I think about it so I expect what I read may be horrible).
I would be a lot less concerned about kids being major drivers if we havenāt been seeing more contagious mutations. Itās possible the more contagious mutations may cause a rise in child cases, which does concern me. And which is why we need as many shots in arms ASAP.
I am actually really happy for these folks. Truly. Jealousy is ugly and Iām not used to it. I feel like such an asshole and I know Iām only feeling this way because Iām so anxious about being in school.
I think that the people who keep posting on these boards to brag that they or a family member received the vaccine already are the true assholes here.
Especially the ones who post to brag about getting a second dose already.
Perhaps they shouldn't be greedy with the second dose when people are still waiting for a first dose.Ā
So w shouldn't follow the science? We should just try and play "fair" and just hope it works out? Clearly not following science and hoping it works out has worked out well for us so far.
Also I will be angry if ever single person doesn't come in here and brag about getting the shot when it happens. It is your civic duty lol.
By the time they finally get to people like me in 2021 Iāll be happy to oblige š¤£š¤£š¤£
Me too!
And yeah, I admit I am anxious knowing I am no where near close to being eligible, but the anxiety is more so because of the slow rollout. I read an article yesterday that South Dakota has a higher percentage of vaccinations per capita than MN. And I know some great people from SD, but really? the state that has been the wild West this whole time and has an asshole governor?? So, yeah. Valid or not, I see things like that and I get frustrated all over again. And I think I mentioned it upthread, but having H as a teacher knowing he has to go back to in person soon also adds to the anxiety.
By the time they finally get to people like me in 2021 Iāll be happy to oblige š¤£š¤£š¤£
Me too!
And yeah, I admit I am anxious knowing I am no where near close to being eligible, but the anxiety is more so because of the slow rollout. I read an article yesterday that South Dakota has a higher percentage of vaccinations per capita than MN. And I know some great people from SD, but really? the state that has been the wild West this whole time and has an asshole governor?? So, yeah. Valid or not, I see things like that and I get frustrated all over again. And I think I mentioned it upthread, but having H as a teacher knowing he has to go back to in person soon also adds to the anxiety.
I'll be honest too, when I see SD at the top, I get angry. I mean, it really was the wild wild west there and I'm glad sane people in that state are becoming more protected from the assholery. But I get the sense that someone like Noem is thinking that their horrific numbers to get here were NBD and totally worth it because hey, they're all getting vaccinated now and people will forget her shitty leadership.
I wish we had a better timeline around when people will be vaccinated, and that there wasn't so much variety between states. I think I'd feel less vaccine jealousy if I had any clue when I could expect to receive mine, but at this rate I have no idea - will it be April? June? September? 2022? I am willing to wait my turn, but it does suck knowing that I have to continue living in this state of isolation and anxiety indefinitely, while there are a lot of people who now don't have to deal with those things in the same way.
I am at the point where I have even really accepted the lack of social interaction, but I just want to be able to do normal life things like drop by a store or have a person come into our house to repair something without being scared for 14 days after that I've picked up COVID. I am very worn out on worrying and feeling like my life/health are threatened.
I am clinging to hope that Biden will get things sorted out and speed up vaccine distribution. If he can do that AND other vaccines are approved soon, perhaps we will all be able to get vaccines within the next few months?
My jealousy of those who get the vaccination stems from my fear that I will have to go back to teaching in-person school again before I get mine. I'm also frustrated that my 75 year old mother is still not eligible in her county. She's getting more depressed by the day and the vaccine is all she talks about.
This week, I see my university professor friends in another state are getting vaccinated as educators, while continuing to work from home and I'm jealous. Teachers are supposed to be in 1b in my state, but it feels like my county is taking forever to get there. Meanwhile, my school district keeps talking plans to get us elementary teachers back in the buildings as soon as possible, but any details or plans about vaccinations have been completely absent. Each day that passes without any hint of a plan makes me feel more anxious. I feel like I'm starting to obsesses about it a little.
While I understand the fear that many of us teachers feel in a face-to-face setting, some of us have been teaching in person since August. While proper distancing can be damn near impossible, mask wearing and the rules implemented by schools have made it as safe as it can be. None of our positive cases thus far have been attributed to school spread, which helps ease my mind.
While I can't believe I am saying this now (because my view about going back in August was MUCH different), @@@ I am extremely happy to see my students in the classroom, thriving. It is hard on everyone, and some days we are just simply surviving, but the alternative of staying virtual for an entire year now seems like something I am sincerely glad to avoid (for my well-being and the kids').
I am actually really happy for these folks. Truly. Jealousy is ugly and Iām not used to it. I feel like such an asshole and I know Iām only feeling this way because Iām so anxious about being in school.
I think that the people who keep posting on these boards to brag that they or a family member received the vaccine already are the true assholes here.
Especially the ones who post to brag about getting a second dose already.
Perhaps they shouldn't be greedy with the second dose when people are still waiting for a first dose.
I disagree. This is not what I mean at all. I think there is a value in people knowing that people we "know" think the vaccine is safe and effective. I am not mad at people - I'm really happy for them. I'm just jealous.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.ā
Ugh. I was able to help my parents get appointments for today and now my dad is in the ER with a large kidney stone and they might have to reschedule. They are impossible to come by now. Also, in the ER during covid š«.
Most of the people I talk to about it are excited to get the vaccine when it's their turn. The biggest argument "against" I hear (and I put that in quotes because they say they'll get it anyway) is the new type of vaccine and "rushed" process.
It was very slightly concerning to have to read and sign the paperwork to acknowledge that it was only approved via the emergency process. But on the other hand (and far outweighing), there was so much happy energy in the room from all the health care providers. They were so clearly thrilled to be a part of protecting people and ending this pandemic. I wish everyone who was concerned about it could get to experience that to reassure them that getting vaccinated is the right decision.
Also I will be angry if ever single person doesn't come in here and brag about getting the shot when it happens. It is your civic duty lol.
Yes, Iāve been encouraging people I know who are able to get the vaccine to share on social media to help normalize getting vaccinated. Hopefully when people who are still hesitant see all their friends getting vaccinated it will make them reconsider.
I am actually really happy for these folks. Truly. Jealousy is ugly and Iām not used to it. I feel like such an asshole and I know Iām only feeling this way because Iām so anxious about being in school.
I think that the people who keep posting on these boards to brag that they or a family member received the vaccine already are the true assholes here.
Especially the ones who post to brag about getting a second dose already.
Perhaps they shouldn't be greedy with the second dose when people are still waiting for a first dose.
I couldn't disagree more. With all the vaccine hesitation, I love that people are bragging about it, and normalizing it. The more people see everyone around them getting the vaccine, and the positive response they receive from others, the more likely they are to get it themselves when the time comes. Like it or not, peer pressure and societal norms do influence our actions, so let's harness that for good. I'll be the first to admit I'm incredibly jealous of those that are able to get it, but our household is homebound, and can easily continue to stay here. So I'll be cheering on every post about another arm stuck, and doing my best to ignore the little twinge of jealousy till it's my turn.
Post by JalapeƱomel on Jan 19, 2021 10:21:25 GMT -5
I ran into a person today who told me they are delaying, because their sister, a nurse, got the vaccine and then got COVID 2 days later. Are nurses spreading this nonsense?
I have vaccine jealousy too, I will admit it. But, I think if there was more clarity and uniformity people would feel less jealous and anxious.
For example, other states have started phase 1b before my state. My state is not doing as well as other states. My industry is essential, but everyone forgot to include us in the conversations. We are listed in phase 1b in other states, but not my state, and not even listed in phase 1c for my state. So now, on top of not being in phase b and not having the mass vaccination sites up and running in our state, each person in my industry will now have to fight with local health departments to determine what phase they are in, and I guarantee this will not be consistent across health departments or individuals.
The health department where I live, I haven't interacted with them much- maybe they are doing OK. The health department where I work has completely given up on contact tracing. I get they are overwhelmed, but I have very little warm and fuzzy feelings about how they have handled the pandemic. There has been a distinct lack of leadership, where other health departments have been doing well. I feel very little confidence that they will be able to execute vaccine clinics very well. In fact, I reached out to them to offer our site to host vaccine clinics and received no response.
If someone could tell me that I am phase 1b or 1c and let me make an appointment, I think I would feel better even if that appointment was in March because then I could plan around the appointment and say OK I will be patient until March. But I don't know if I will get the vaccine in January or July at this point.
Also I will be angry if ever single person doesn't come in here and brag about getting the shot when it happens. It is your civic duty lol.
Yes, Iāve been encouraging people I know who are able to get the vaccine to share on social media to help normalize getting vaccinated. Hopefully when people who are still hesitant see all their friends getting vaccinated it will make them reconsider.
My parents (70 years old) and sister (MD who was able get appointments at her hospital, not abusing the system) were on the local news!
Post by underwaterrhymes on Jan 19, 2021 10:30:15 GMT -5
I just want to say I donāt think itās selfish to want the vaccine. Getting it is actually incredibly selfless. (Unless, of course, youāre a public official who has been denying it for a year and jumped the line to get it. Then fuck you.)
Post by aprilsails on Jan 19, 2021 10:32:49 GMT -5
@@@ Velar Fricative My Brother and I took part in vaccine testing programs as children. My Mom worked mostly as an immunologist at the time so we were brought in by her.
Any vaccines we received had completed testing in healthy adults. I do not remember ever having a reaction. We would get soft serve ice cream after every shot and blood draw since there was a soft serve ice cream shop near the hospital.
We were verified by doing blood draws for titers and determining the immune response accordingly. A lot of it was research for timing for childhood immunizations. I also received new vaccines for malaria, and mono. I know those two both worked for me based on titers pulled when I was 19. I know the malaria vaccine didnāt take in my Brother.
I think we did most of these tests between the ages of 4-8. After that my Mom went into teaching for a while so I think she disengaged from the program.
Unfortunately I developed an allergy to Thimerosol and Formaldehyde at age 21. This was likely triggered by all the vaccines I got as a kid. Impossible to be certain of, but itās an obvious exposure that I received that the general population would not have.
I ran into a person today who told me they are delaying, because their sister, a nurse, got the vaccine and then got COVID 2 days later. Are nurses spreading this nonsense?
No more than any other people. A lot of it is a misunderstanding of how vaccines work (ie it takes a while to build up immunity, and that for this particular vaxx you need both doses to achieve full immunity, etc.). A TON of people think you're immune the second you receive that poke in the arm.
I ran into a person today who told me they are delaying, because their sister, a nurse, got the vaccine and then got COVID 2 days later. Are nurses spreading this nonsense?
Nurses are wonderful people. They have thankless jobs, and are truly undervalued in our society. Unfortunately, they also often have just enough medical knowledge to consider themselves experts without actually having expertise, and do not have an educational background that promotes or necessitates critical thinking, which can be a very dangerous combination. There are plenty of nurses out there that are incredibly intelligent, and do have those skills, and advocate for behavior consistent with scientifically backed healthy policy. But there are also plenty of nurses out there that use their position in the healthcare industry to spread misinformation that they fully believe to be accurate.
Post by icedcoffee on Jan 19, 2021 10:38:18 GMT -5
My H was told today he may be receiving the vaccine within the next 2 weeks from his company. I have no idea how they are able to do that, but I am happy! He's in vaccine sales (but not this one obviously). Fingers crossed it actually happens. Otherwise he'd be at the bottom of the list with me following Maryland guidelines.
I ran into a person today who told me they are delaying, because their sister, a nurse, got the vaccine and then got COVID 2 days later. Are nurses spreading this nonsense?
Nurses are wonderful people. They have thankless jobs, and are truly undervalued in our society. Unfortunately, they also often have just enough medical knowledge to consider themselves experts without actually having to have an educational background that promotes or necessitates critical thinking, which can be a very dangerous combination. There are plenty of nurses out there that are incredibly intelligent, and do have those skills, and advocate for behavior consistent with scientifically backed healthy policy. But there are also plenty of nurses out there that use their position in the healthcare industry to spread misinformation that they fully believe to be accurate.
Yeah this. My (now retired thank god) aunt is a nurse. She got covid a few weeks ago and said that "it's better because you'll get the immunity from the vaccine, but my immunity will be better because it's natural".
I ran into a person today who told me they are delaying, because their sister, a nurse, got the vaccine and then got COVID 2 days later. Are nurses spreading this nonsense?
Nurses are wonderful people.Ā They have thankless jobs, and are truly undervalued in our society.Ā Unfortunately, they also often have just enough medical knowledge to consider themselves experts without actually having to have an educational background that promotes or necessitates critical thinking, which can be a very dangerous combination.Ā There are plenty of nurses out there that are incredibly intelligent, and do have those skills, and advocate for behavior consistent with scientifically backed healthy policy.Ā But there are also plenty of nurses out there that use their position in the healthcare industry to spread misinformation that they fully believe to be accurate.Ā Ā
Speaking as a nurse who knows many nurses...ditto. it's been a little shocking to me this past year to see nurses I've worked with, trusted in urgent situations, turned to for advice with complicated patients end up being so distrustful of science, spreading disinformation, etc, etc.
Nurses are wonderful people. They have thankless jobs, and are truly undervalued in our society. Unfortunately, they also often have just enough medical knowledge to consider themselves experts without actually having to have an educational background that promotes or necessitates critical thinking, which can be a very dangerous combination. There are plenty of nurses out there that are incredibly intelligent, and do have those skills, and advocate for behavior consistent with scientifically backed healthy policy. But there are also plenty of nurses out there that use their position in the healthcare industry to spread misinformation that they fully believe to be accurate.
Speaking as a nurse who knows many nurses...ditto. it's been a little shocking to me this past year to see nurses I've worked with, trusted in urgent situations, turned to for advice with complicated patients end up being so distrustful of science, spreading disinformation, etc, etc.
Let me backtrack a bit and say that I am INCREDIBLY appreciative to our nurses, INCREDIBLY. And I do NOT think it's all nurses or even the vast majority. So I apologize it it seems I have any lack of appreciation for nurses or what they do. It was not my intent at all, and this is absolutely not what I think.
I will also say that science teachers have a tendency to do this too, and I'm like WHAT NO. You are a science teacher! You do not have more knowledge than a research scientist who has been studying this their entire careers.
I am actually really happy for these folks. Truly. Jealousy is ugly and Iām not used to it. I feel like such an asshole and I know Iām only feeling this way because Iām so anxious about being in school.
I think that the people who keep posting on these boards to brag that they or a family member received the vaccine already are the true assholes here.
Especially the ones who post to brag about getting a second dose already.
Perhaps they shouldn't be greedy with the second dose when people are still waiting for a first dose.Ā
What?!
I donāt think they are bragging. I think they are normalizing it and showing how important it is to get/do. Similar to how seeing āeveryoneā voting increases voter participation. The more people you see do it the more likely you are to do it yourself.
It also gives me hope - the more people I see getting it, the more it makes me feel like it will be my turn soon.
Also, theyāre not being greedy with a second dose. There is a timeline of when you need to get the second dose following the first.
This whole post is totally bizarre and misinformed.
Speaking as a nurse who knows many nurses...ditto. it's been a little shocking to me this past year to see nurses I've worked with, trusted in urgent situations, turned to for advice with complicated patients end up being so distrustful of science, spreading disinformation, etc, etc.
Let me backtrack a bit, let me say that I am INCREDIBLY appreciative to our nurses, INCREDIBLY. And I do NOT think it's all nurses or even the vast majority. So I apologize it it seems I have any lack of appreciation for nurses or what they do. It was not my intent at all, and this is absolutely not what I think.
Well I can't speak for everyone, but I didn't think you were for a second . I think we can certainly love and respect nurses, while still acknowledging some of the issues around the profession.