@@@ I got an email about enrolling my child in a vaccine trial and I would consider it but the logistics are so off - there are 3 sites - one in California, one in Texas and one in Idaho...I live in a Northeast city. I wonder why they don't put one somewhere over here (I'm sure there's a reason but I don't understand it).
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
Ugh. I was able to help my parents get appointments for today and now my dad is in the ER with a large kidney stone and they might have to reschedule. They are impossible to come by now. Also, in the ER during covid 😫.
Oh man I'm so sorry ☹️ I can't remember where you are, but if you do need to reschedule we were able to schedule an appointment for my parents through CHI Fransiscan. I also read that if you have a UW eCare account you can schedule an appointment through the.
I can report I have totally come around on my vaccine disparity frustration/anger/whatever it was at the people I was accusing of cutting lines, taking appointments, etc. all that shit from a few weeks ago. Now just excited to get as many vaccinated as possible.
But I am angry and how this is going. The disparities state to state, county to county. How hard it is for people eligible to get an appointment, or find vaccine. Why are they using new technology to sign up a target population over 75. Why does it vary so much state to state. Shit show is a term I have been using frequently.
@@@ I got an email about enrolling my child in a vaccine trial and I would consider it but the logistics are so off - there are 3 sites - one in California, one in Texas and one in Idaho...I live in a Northeast city. I wonder why they don't put one somewhere over here (I'm sure there's a reason but I don't understand it).
@@ Thanks for mentioning this. I’m just glad to hear there is SOME movement on the kid front.
For the older kid trial, I think they are having the trials in other places, it's just that those spots are already full. (This is based off a facebook conversation I had, though.)
Post by Velar Fricative on Jan 19, 2021 11:16:47 GMT -5
Is this even something the federal government can actually mandate re: who must get the vaccine in any state? I feel like even removing useless Trump from the equation, states were going to need to come up with their own schedules and the feds were just going to be able to provide guidelines. Like, I don't think Biden can wave a magic wand and force every state to vaccinate X group next. But, it really is frustrating especially when you're so close to a state border.
In related news, I work in a different county and my work county has opened up vaccine appointments a bit more than my home county making me eligible there, so I was able to get an appointment. I'm nervous because the email confirmation looks very generic - just name, date, location, time. No confirmation number or anything like that. But DH pointed out that some people don't have access to a computer and won't even have the email so things like a barcode and/or confirmation number may confuse things. And I did get the email immediately after signing up, so I guess ok. But then the news is talking about some lot of Moderna vaccines is being paused because of higher than expected side effects with this lot (less than 10 and all at the same site). I know my sign up said Moderna, but I didn't write down the lot number that was listed, so I don't know if mine is in that lot and if I will show up and be told there is no vaccine for me. I have a lot of anxiety (like a lot a lot - I get physically sick in the days leading up to it) about getting any kind of shot and am really nervous that I am going to get there ready to go and then they won't have the shot for me and I will have to do it over.
I just started reading this thread, so sorry if this was already answered... In OC they will write the lot# on your vaccination card when they actually administer it. The lot number is not assigned specifically to each person. Basically the lot will be pulled if they have it and replaced with another lot.
My jealousy of those who get the vaccination stems from my fear that I will have to go back to teaching in-person school again before I get mine. I'm also frustrated that my 75 year old mother is still not eligible in her county. She's getting more depressed by the day and the vaccine is all she talks about.
This week, I see my university professor friends in another state are getting vaccinated as educators, while continuing to work from home and I'm jealous. Teachers are supposed to be in 1b in my state, but it feels like my county is taking forever to get there. Meanwhile, my school district keeps talking plans to get us elementary teachers back in the buildings as soon as possible, but any details or plans about vaccinations have been completely absent. Each day that passes without any hint of a plan makes me feel more anxious. I feel like I'm starting to obsesses about it a little.
While I understand the fear that many of us teachers feel in a face-to-face setting, some of us have been teaching in person since August. While proper distancing can be damn near impossible, mask wearing and the rules implemented by schools have made it as safe as it can be. None of our positive cases thus far have been attributed to school spread, which helps ease my mind.
While I can't believe I am saying this now (because my view about going back in August was MUCH different), I am extremely happy to see my students in the classroom, thriving. It is hard on everyone, and some days we are just simply surviving, but the alternative of staying virtual for an entire year now seems like something I am sincerely glad to avoid (for my well-being and the kids').
I hear you and you are right! Thank you for being there for your students because I know you are making a huge impact!
@@@@ I taught in-person for about a month in October and, while I didn't get Covid, I did have a lot more stress about it than I do now that we're back virtual. We didn't have cases of community spread in our school among children when we were back, but we did have it among some adults. We also struggled a lot with keeping our building staffed (and I get pulled every which way to help with coverage). We were operating on a skeleton staff with all the quarantines and it was just so stressful. I know that the vaccine would have such an impact, not just in keeping teachers safer, but in helping us keep the building staffed because there wouldn't be constant quarantines. I don't want to go back before we have a vaccination plan when we are *this close* to getting it. Surrounding counties near me are vaccinating teachers, and I think I just feel really frustrated being left in the dark with no information about how or when we will get to ours.
All that said, I agree with what's been posted. Everyone who gets a vaccination is part of the solution and that is worth celebrating (even if I have twinges of jealousy!).
Is anyone else seeing an uptick of secondary infections being talked about in your world? I feel like I now know a couple of people who have had a second covid infection, worse than their first.
It’s a combination of a lot of things, I think. Organization and implementation is being left up to the state and local health departments and they just aren’t equipped. They don’t have the staff, or the amount of necessary PPE. There are issues in some areas with the ultra cold storage the vaccines require.
They’re being promised doses they aren’t getting or having doses they weren’t expecting show up and then scrambling to get them into arms before they expire. They’re struggling to register and contact people when they are eligible, and people are confused and overwhelmed by it because it’s totally different state by state.
Even just finding appropriate spaces to hold mass vaccination events while also allowing for some degree of social distancing is a challenge.
I’m personally hopeful that adequate funding and support from the federal level will really help with some of these barriers.
I should have been more clear in my questioning - what I really want to know is how many more doses are out there that just haven't been properly distributed? What can team Biden do to increase production quickly since supply is limited?
Biden is supposed to be invoking the Defense Production Act to speed up production of the vaccine.
Is this even something the federal government can actually mandate re: who must get the vaccine in any state? I feel like even removing useless Trump from the equation, states were going to need to come up with their own schedules and the feds were just going to be able to provide guidelines. Like, I don't think Biden can wave a magic wand and force every state to vaccinate X group next. But, it really is frustrating especially when you're so close to a state border.
I have a feeling you can't mandate. My completely uneducated guess is that the simplest way forward would be to give economic incentives to businesses and schools that require vaccinations, tax breaks, extra funding etc. It wouldn't hit everyone, obviously there would still be some people that just refused, but for many, once they hit barriers like having to look for new employment, or even something as simple as not being able to fly, they'll choose the path of least resistance.
I am actually really happy for these folks. Truly. Jealousy is ugly and I’m not used to it. I feel like such an asshole and I know I’m only feeling this way because I’m so anxious about being in school.
I think that the people who keep posting on these boards to brag that they or a family member received the vaccine already are the true assholes here.
Especially the ones who post to brag about getting a second dose already.
Perhaps they shouldn't be greedy with the second dose when people are still waiting for a first dose.
What in the fresh hell is this non-sense? No one is being greedy. I think I’m going to contain my rage, but many of us (and family members) have been exposed over and over working on the front lines and you have the audacity to say we’re being greedy for following the recommendations to get vaccinated? Wtf?
And come 2022, we will be back to the old standards of coughing throughout the office and coming to work with colds and other germs.
I have been privileged enough to work from home since last March. However, prior to last March, I rode a VERY crowded bus for over an hour each way on my commute every day. There was absolutely no way to do any social distancing on that bus. Heck, there weren't even enough seats for everybody.
On many occasions in the past years, I heard people coughing or sneezing throughout our bus ride. I suspect that many of the ailments that I have picked up through the years were ailments that I picked up from other people who rode my bus.
So, after everyone who is able and willing to get vaccinated gets vaccinated, is my employer going to force me to go into the office every day? What about everybody else who rode that crowded bus with me?
I bet wearing a mask and being as careful as you are currently being with covid would help a lot in minimizing the germs you picked up.
While I understand the fear that many of us teachers feel in a face-to-face setting, some of us have been teaching in person since August. While proper distancing can be damn near impossible, mask wearing and the rules implemented by schools have made it as safe as it can be. None of our positive cases thus far have been attributed to school spread, which helps ease my mind.
While I can't believe I am saying this now (because my view about going back in August was MUCH different), I am extremely happy to see my students in the classroom, thriving. It is hard on everyone, and some days we are just simply surviving, but the alternative of staying virtual for an entire year now seems like something I am sincerely glad to avoid (for my well-being and the kids').
I hear you and you are right! Thank you for being there for your students because I know you are making a huge impact!
@@@@ I taught in-person for about a month in October and, while I didn't get Covid, I did have a lot more stress about it than I do now that we're back virtual. We didn't have cases of community spread in our school among children when we were back, but we did have it among some adults. We also struggled a lot with keeping our building staffed (and I get pulled every which way to help with coverage). We were operating on a skeleton staff with all the quarantines and it was just so stressful. I know that the vaccine would have such an impact, not just in keeping teachers safer, but in helping us keep the building staffed because there wouldn't be constant quarantines. I don't want to go back before we have a vaccination plan when we are *this close* to getting it. Surrounding counties near me are vaccinating teachers, and I think I just feel really frustrated being left in the dark with no information about how or when we will get to ours.
All that said, I agree with what's been posted. Everyone who gets a vaccination is part of the solution and that is worth celebrating (even if I have twinges of jealousy!).
@@@ I'm here too. We have been in person since August. We were remote for 7 weeks around the holidays and while my precautions are pretty set and I don't feel super nervous at school anymore, being home made me realize that the low level anxiety of being in school is real and hard. A vaccine would go a long way toward my feeling more safe here.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
Is anyone else seeing an uptick of secondary infections being talked about in your world? I feel like I now know a couple of people who have had a second covid infection, worse than their first.
I don’t know for certain if it was a secondary infection but I do know a woman who had the antibodies last summer (she had what she thought was allergies in the spring and then wondered if it was mild COVID) but then her whole family got it over Christmas and she was pretty sick. So whether she never actually had antibodies or did and got re-infected I’m not sure.
I think that the people who keep posting on these boards to brag that they or a family member received the vaccine already are the true assholes here.
Especially the ones who post to brag about getting a second dose already.
Perhaps they shouldn't be greedy with the second dose when people are still waiting for a first dose.
What in the fresh hell is this non-sense? No one is being greedy. I think I’m going to contain my rage, but many of us (and family members) have been exposed over and over working on the front lines and you have the audacity to say we’re being greedy for following the recommendations to get vaccinated? Wtf?
I honestly thought the post was a (really) bad joke at first.
I just checked the poster’s history - working from home. susquehanna happy to switch spots, if you can cover my ICU and ED shifts.
The observation I have had is that if you go inside a store or other business, people do have their masks on and largely wear them properly.
Outside- outdoor spaces, trails, beach, etc. nobody has a mask on.
Another difference between now and March is that restrooms are open. In March/ April almost all public restrooms and park restrooms were closed, which limited how far people were willing to drive and how long they could stay outside of their homes.
What in the fresh hell is this non-sense? No one is being greedy. I think I’m going to contain my rage, but many of us (and family members) have been exposed over and over working on the front lines and you have the audacity to say we’re being greedy for following the recommendations to get vaccinated? Wtf?
Greedy with the 2nd dose has done me in. You’re not fully vaccinated WITHOUT the 2nd dose.
Yes wtf. And I’ve had a super busy morning, haven’t read the rest of this thread, because we had multiple known covid exposures among staff from patients and other colleagues. Including a colleague who is hospitalized now because of covid. So it’s been a morning trying to see patients and deal with that.
So anyone can fuck right off who thinks that essential workers and the elderly who are getting vaccinated and sharing with others about it are greedy.
ETA: and there have been multiple posts and discussions on Twitter in which people have specifically said they decided to get vaccinated after they saw someone post about their vaccination and the discussion that followed. So yes it can indeed be helpful to share with others that you’ve been vaccinated.
Is anyone else seeing an uptick of secondary infections being talked about in your world? I feel like I now know a couple of people who have had a second covid infection, worse than their first.
I cannot find the article to save my life right now, but it was discussing that 5 months after recovery for mild cases, they are seeing a high rate of relapses that result in severe outcomes and death.
Our county opened up their weekly vaccination clinic to what they are calling tier 1b. This is only their second week running the clinic.
The clinic normally opens at 9am. By 8 am, the county health department was telling folks to stop coming - they already had more people in line than they had vaccine doses.
The location itself is well set for what they are doing, but access to it is off of a two lane road that sees a fair chunk of commuter traffic. So all the local news picked up the story to tell folks to avoid the area.
Obviously there is a lot of interest in getting the vaccine here. I think they might need to segment this "tier" a bit more, or figure out some sort of appointment system. They have indicated that half of our county fits in this tier...
Is anyone else seeing an uptick of secondary infections being talked about in your world? I feel like I now know a couple of people who have had a second covid infection, worse than their first.
I cannot find the article to save my life right now, but it was discussing that 5 months after recovery for mild cases, they are seeing a high rate of relapses that result in severe outcomes and death.
So these could be relapses and not a secondary infection? That would also make sense.
Post by underwaterrhymes on Jan 19, 2021 13:05:01 GMT -5
susquehanna - you should really sit with what you said and evaluate why you feel the way you do.
While there may be people who have been vaccinated ahead of where they ordinarily would have, the vast majority of people receiving vaccinations are people who legitimately need it. Yes, there are major failures with the rollout. Yes, some medically vulnerable people have yet to receive it.
But, despite these failures, there is hope. Sharing joy about receiving something that will prevent us from losing another two million people worldwide before 2022 is something worth rejoicing, even at the granular level.
And, I’m sorry, but I’m going to damn well celebrate my 42-year old sister’s vaccine because it means that even though she still has cancer and severe immune deficiency, she will be protected from something that could take her before the cancer does.
I’m going to celebrate EVERY person who receives the vaccine. I’m way far down the line and I don’t care if I’m the last person vaccinated if it means we can protect the community by vaccinating one person at a time.
I am actually really happy for these folks. Truly. Jealousy is ugly and I’m not used to it. I feel like such an asshole and I know I’m only feeling this way because I’m so anxious about being in school.
I think that the people who keep posting on these boards to brag that they or a family member received the vaccine already are the true assholes here.
Especially the ones who post to brag about getting a second dose already.
Perhaps they shouldn't be greedy with the second dose when people are still waiting for a first dose.
Aside from being a shitty thing to say, this.....doesn't make sense. If you only get the first dose and not the second you're not fully vaccinated. That seems like a waste of a dose if someone got the first and was unable to get the second.
Initially our company told employees they had time to decide about the vaccine. Governor DeWine is now saying healthcare employees have until the 23rd at midnight to sign up or receive their first dose or they will have to wait awhile. I am shocked and incredibly grateful for the numbers I've seen as far as how many of my fellow employees have opted for the vaccine. On SM I had seen a TON of "yeah no" in general leading up to the rollout but now I am seeing more and more people (healthcare or not) willing to get it.
And come 2022, we will be back to the old standards of coughing throughout the office and coming to work with colds and other germs.
I have been privileged enough to work from home since last March. However, prior to last March, I rode a VERY crowded bus for over an hour each way on my commute every day. There was absolutely no way to do any social distancing on that bus. Heck, there weren't even enough seats for everybody.
On many occasions in the past years, I heard people coughing or sneezing throughout our bus ride. I suspect that many of the ailments that I have picked up through the years were ailments that I picked up from other people who rode my bus.
So, after everyone who is able and willing to get vaccinated gets vaccinated, is my employer going to force me to go into the office every day? What about everybody else who rode that crowded bus with me?
Are you saying you should be allowed to WFH indefinitely because otherwise you’d risk getting a cold on public transportation?
What in the fresh hell is this non-sense? No one is being greedy. I think I’m going to contain my rage, but many of us (and family members) have been exposed over and over working on the front lines and you have the audacity to say we’re being greedy for following the recommendations to get vaccinated? Wtf?
Greedy with the 2nd dose has done me in. You’re not fully vaccinated WITHOUT the 2nd dose.
Also (correct me if I'm wrong), people who receive the first dose have already had the second dose allotted for them to make sure that they're able to receive it on schedule.