This is some stupid shit. Mike Pence did not invoke the 25th because he was afraid it would end his political life, not his actual life. Secret Service can’t help him out with that.
eta: came back to clarify, the law is not stupid, it is, in fact a good idea. What’s stupid is thinking this had anything to do with Pence not doing the right thing in this particular instance.
This is some stupid shit. Mike Pence did not invoke the 25th because he was afraid it would end his political life, not his actual life. Secret Service can’t help him out with that.
Has he said that? Because an angry mob seconds away from dragging him out to a makeshift gallows on the Capitol lawn could definitely cause him to fear for his life by invoking the 25th. I don’t like the man at all and I think he’s a huge coward. But lifetime protection for VPs doesn’t sound like a bad idea regardless of MP.
VillainV, I've been meaning to ask you if you can share a quick lesson about when the president does or does not salutes members of the military.
Some blowhard shared a video making fun of Biden, and of course I roll my eyes at that, but it reminded me to ask because I've been curious about this on my own in the past.
VillainV, I've been meaning to ask you if you can share a quick lesson about when the president does or does not salutes members of the military.
Some blowhard shared a video making fun of Biden, and of course I roll my eyes at that, but it reminded me to ask because I've been curious about this on my own in the past.
I’ll have to do some research today and report back! Generally, one always returns a salute when saluted. It would be kind of rude not to. Like not shaking hands when someone offers theirs (how’s THAT for a pre-COVID reference?)
At the inauguration, when the handful of military units “passed in review” in front of the Capitol steps, I noticed he wasn’t returning the salutes of the units as they marched past him (which normally the reviewing officer/official would do) but it seemed like he was following the lead of the military official standing next to him, so I assume what he was going was correct protocol.
This is some stupid shit. Mike Pence did not invoke the 25th because he was afraid it would end his political life, not his actual life. Secret Service can’t help him out with that.
eta: came back to clarify, the law is not stupid, it is, in fact a good idea. What’s stupid is thinking this had anything to do with Pence not doing the right thing in this particular instance.
I have a feeling that history will write Pence in as the hero of that moment and ignore his enabling bullshit and inability to truly rise to the occasion two weeks ago.
Biden’s order calls on agencies across the federal government to review existing regulations and policies that prohibit sex discrimination, and to revise them as necessary to clarify that “sex” includes sexual orientation and gender identity.
“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” Biden’s executive order states. “Adults should be able to earn a living and pursue a vocation knowing that they will not be fired, demoted, or mistreated because of whom they go home to or because how they dress does not conform to sex-based stereotypes. People should be able to access healthcare and secure a roof over their heads without being subjected to sex discrimination.”
This is some stupid shit. Mike Pence did not invoke the 25th because he was afraid it would end his political life, not his actual life. Secret Service can’t help him out with that.
eta: came back to clarify, the law is not stupid, it is, in fact a good idea. What’s stupid is thinking this had anything to do with Pence not doing the right thing in this particular instance.
I didn't read the article, but perhaps it is meant to protect the current VP?
Goodness knows, we hope she is able to move to a higher position, but just in case she doesn't, I have to assume she will be the focus of attention from the white supremacists. It would be good to know that she would have protection regardless of who is in office.
This is some stupid shit. Mike Pence did not invoke the 25th because he was afraid it would end his political life, not his actual life. Secret Service can’t help him out with that.
eta: came back to clarify, the law is not stupid, it is, in fact a good idea. What’s stupid is thinking this had anything to do with Pence not doing the right thing in this particular instance.
I thought he was fearful for his actual life if he invoked the 25th? I’m not defending Pence by any means but I do see how he would be fearful for his life. With as much as our country spends on defense, there is no reason we cannot and should not protect our former VPs.
Biden’s order calls on agencies across the federal government to review existing regulations and policies that prohibit sex discrimination, and to revise them as necessary to clarify that “sex” includes sexual orientation and gender identity.
“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” Biden’s executive order states. “Adults should be able to earn a living and pursue a vocation knowing that they will not be fired, demoted, or mistreated because of whom they go home to or because how they dress does not conform to sex-based stereotypes. People should be able to access healthcare and secure a roof over their heads without being subjected to sex discrimination.”
I first heard about this last night on Twitter. Unsurprisingly, all the people angry at Biden and pretending to defend women were men. Angry, nasty men. They also claimed that TERF is a hateful, misogynistic slur. WTF??
VillainV, I've been meaning to ask you if you can share a quick lesson about when the president does or does not salutes members of the military.
Some blowhard shared a video making fun of Biden, and of course I roll my eyes at that, but it reminded me to ask because I've been curious about this on my own in the past.
I’ll have to do some research today and report back! Generally, one always returns a salute when saluted. It would be kind of rude not to. Like not shaking hands when someone offers theirs (how’s THAT for a pre-COVID reference?)
At the inauguration, when the handful of military units “passed in review” in front of the Capitol steps, I noticed he wasn’t returning the salutes of the units as they marched past him (which normally the reviewing officer/official would do) but it seemed like he was following the lead of the military official standing next to him, so I assume what he was going was correct protocol.
I’ll look it up today and report back!
Follow up question - when they were standing in front of that wreath while the national anthem was being played after the swearing in, Biden was standing at attention in a salute but Kamala and the other former presidents/wives had their hands over their hearts. I assumed maybe that was because he’s commander in chief? Does that seem right to you?
Biden’s order calls on agencies across the federal government to review existing regulations and policies that prohibit sex discrimination, and to revise them as necessary to clarify that “sex” includes sexual orientation and gender identity.
“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” Biden’s executive order states. “Adults should be able to earn a living and pursue a vocation knowing that they will not be fired, demoted, or mistreated because of whom they go home to or because how they dress does not conform to sex-based stereotypes. People should be able to access healthcare and secure a roof over their heads without being subjected to sex discrimination.”
I first heard about this last night on Twitter. Unsurprisingly, all the people angry at Biden and pretending to defend women were men. Angry, nasty men. They also claimed that TERF is a hateful, misogynistic slur. WTF??
I saw that trending and thought it was about Anita Hill, but then found out it was for a stupid, dickish, evil reason instead.
This is some stupid shit. Mike Pence did not invoke the 25th because he was afraid it would end his political life, not his actual life. Secret Service can’t help him out with that.
eta: came back to clarify, the law is not stupid, it is, in fact a good idea. What’s stupid is thinking this had anything to do with Pence not doing the right thing in this particular instance.
I thought he was fearful for his actual life if he invoked the 25th? I’m not defending Pence by any means but I do see how he would be fearful for his life. With as much as our country spends on defense, there is no reason we cannot and should not protect our former VPs.
I agree. I actually said in a thread at the time we were discussing this that he was afraid for himself and his family and lacked the courage to actually abide by the oath he made when he became VP.
Honestly, his political career was already what it was before the insurrection. Invoking the 25th wouldn’t have changed much, in my opinion. But I do think it would have made him a target for Trump’s insane supporters if he had.
I’ll have to do some research today and report back! Generally, one always returns a salute when saluted. It would be kind of rude not to. Like not shaking hands when someone offers theirs (how’s THAT for a pre-COVID reference?)
At the inauguration, when the handful of military units “passed in review” in front of the Capitol steps, I noticed he wasn’t returning the salutes of the units as they marched past him (which normally the reviewing officer/official would do) but it seemed like he was following the lead of the military official standing next to him, so I assume what he was going was correct protocol.
I’ll look it up today and report back!
Follow up question - when they were standing in front of that wreath while the national anthem was being played after the swearing in, Biden was standing at attention in a salute but Kamala and the other former presidents/wives had their hands over their hearts. I assumed maybe that was because he’s commander in chief? Does that seem right to you?
So it seems that Presidential Saluting wasn’t a “thing” until Reagan. Before then, it wasn’t common, though I imagine there were times when it was done (TR? Eisenhower? Wouldn’t surprise me). Since then, practically every president has been questioned on their personal decision to salute or not. Remember that thing about Obama getting on a helicopter?
This portion of military decorum is called “Customs and Courtesies.” Saluting is more of a cultural tradition than a regulation, and while there are some hard and fast rules about saluting, even for military members there’s a lot of room for preference and interpretation. For example, if I was in uniform and came across a higher ranking person also in uniform, I would be expected to render a salute with a greeting (“good morning, ma’am”) and they would be expected to return the salute and greeting in kind. There are a few exceptions (in a crosswalk, when part of a work detail, etc) but this one is pretty black and white.
For other situations, like either person is in civilian clothes, it’s okay to salute but isn’t expected. Personally, I wouldn’t salute my boss if either or both of us was in civvies, but I would absolutely return the salute of anyone who saluted me. Again, as a courtesy. Again there are a few exceptions, like when I’m driving through the gate of base and show my ID that identifies my rank, the gate guard (if they are military) should salute me even if I’m in civvies.
For the National Anthem, say at a ball game, we are allowed to salute in civvies, but most people (including me) choose to put their hand over their heart.
Now for service-specifics. The Army doesn’t salute at all if they’re in civilian clothes, and the navy doesn’t salute at all if they aren’t wearing a hat (even if in uniform).
So it seems that Presidential Saluting wasn’t a “thing” until Reagan. Before then, it wasn’t common, though I imagine there were times when it was done (TR? Eisenhower? Wouldn’t surprise me). Since then, practically every president has been questioned on their personal decision to salute or not. Remember that thing about Obama getting on a helicopter?
This portion of military decorum is called “Customs and Courtesies.” Saluting is more of a cultural tradition than a regulation, and while there are some hard and fast rules about saluting, even for military members there’s a lot of room for preference and interpretation. For example, if I was in uniform and came across a higher ranking person also in uniform, I would be expected to render a salute with a greeting (“good morning, ma’am”) and they would be expected to return the salute and greeting in kind. There are a few exceptions (in a crosswalk, when part of a work detail, etc) but this one is pretty black and white.
For other situations, like either person is in civilian clothes, it’s okay to salute but isn’t expected. Personally, I wouldn’t salute my boss if either or both of us was in civvies, but I would absolutely return the salute of anyone who saluted me. Again, as a courtesy. Again there are a few exceptions, like when I’m driving through the gate of base and show my ID that identifies my rank, the gate guard (if they are military) should salute me even if I’m in civvies.
For the National Anthem, say at a ball game, we are allowed to salute in civvies, but most people (including me) choose to put their hand over their heart.
Now for service-specifics. The Army doesn’t salute at all if they’re in civilian clothes, and the navy doesn’t salute at all if they aren’t wearing a hat (even if in uniform).
Clear as mud?
Thank you for sharing that! This is fascinating to me!
Biden’s order calls on agencies across the federal government to review existing regulations and policies that prohibit sex discrimination, and to revise them as necessary to clarify that “sex” includes sexual orientation and gender identity.
“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” Biden’s executive order states. “Adults should be able to earn a living and pursue a vocation knowing that they will not be fired, demoted, or mistreated because of whom they go home to or because how they dress does not conform to sex-based stereotypes. People should be able to access healthcare and secure a roof over their heads without being subjected to sex discrimination.”
I first heard about this last night on Twitter. Unsurprisingly, all the people angry at Biden and pretending to defend women were men. Angry, nasty men. They also claimed that TERF is a hateful, misogynistic slur. WTF??
I can't read the article, but all these men being faux outraged can take several seats. I'll bet you one million GBCN dollars that they never cared about women's issues until now.
To further answer questions about border wall construction, my boss’ understanding is that the executive order doesn’t halt ongoing contracts, only contracts that have not begun but had money allocated to them already.
I’ll have to do some research today and report back! Generally, one always returns a salute when saluted. It would be kind of rude not to. Like not shaking hands when someone offers theirs (how’s THAT for a pre-COVID reference?)
At the inauguration, when the handful of military units “passed in review” in front of the Capitol steps, I noticed he wasn’t returning the salutes of the units as they marched past him (which normally the reviewing officer/official would do) but it seemed like he was following the lead of the military official standing next to him, so I assume what he was going was correct protocol.
I’ll look it up today and report back!
Follow up question - when they were standing in front of that wreath while the national anthem was being played after the swearing in, Biden was standing at attention in a salute but Kamala and the other former presidents/wives had their hands over their hearts. I assumed maybe that was because he’s commander in chief? Does that seem right to you?
I noticed this too. I also noticed that the former First Ladies did not immediately put their hands over their hearts. VP Harris kind of hesitated, glanced at POTUS and then covered her heart, as though she was not quite sure. Once the First Ladies saw her do this, then they covered their hearts, as well. It almost seemed like maybe it wasn’t the exact etiquette but they followed suit in deference to the Veep. I thought it was actually really respectful.
Actually, the moment I am referencing was not during the anthem. It was after. I think POTUS was saluting because troops were passing in front of him. It was not something that one would normally cover their heart for, which is why it struck me as very kind and respectful for the FL’s to follow Veep’s lead rather than leave her hanging all by herself.
Post by amberlyrose on Jan 22, 2021 13:10:48 GMT -5
This "outrage" about the troops in the garage is ticking me off more than it should.
First, the right is using it as another way to say the Dems/Biden don't support the troops. It was a decision by the Capitol Police. Second, they all have hotel rooms, but they are not nearby so these areas are acting like break rooms and points of assembly. It moves them out of the way from the capitol floors so they can keep social distancing while working with a busy start to a new administration. Lastly, the garage was reported to be heated.
Yes, it sucks to sleep on hard, cold floors. If there is a warmer, more comfortable place for them, then let's move them there. But I can't begin to count how many times I caught a nap on damp, cold floors while waiting around for the next order or movement.
But they wouldn't even have to be there if the last guy hadn't incited a riot and attempted coup.
Has there been any further talk of adding justices to SCOTUS?
I hope this isn't done right out of the gate.
There is a small amount of camaraderie built in congress after the shared trauma of January 6. If Biden can leverage that to push some things forward, we can allow the legislative branch to create laws and let the SCOTUS keep to interpreting the constitution.
If we pad the seats right away, the wedge of bipartisan division will widen, people will accuse him of being as bad as Trump at catering only to his base, and it will feed the fuel of the right wing extremist crazies who are still screaming about a stolen election - they will claim it was stolen for the purpose of padding the court.
Post by wanderingback on Jan 22, 2021 13:14:01 GMT -5
More executive orders coming. One includes:
"And another would ask the Labor Department to make clear that workers who refuse to return to working conditions that could expose them to the coronavirus should be eligible for unemployment insurance."
Does anyone know the details of this? Can states refuse to follow this and not give people unemployment if they choose not to return to work?
This "outrage" about the troops in the garage is ticking me off more than it should.
I was outraged by it. I don't trust the capitol police right now after January 6. I want congress protected with people right.freakin.there for some time.
For me it has less to do with the comforts (although I do care about that) and more to do with their ability to effectively respond to a situation if one emerged.