mommyatty, my 2nd grader still doesn't write in complete sentences. Or use capital letters. Or punctuation. Or even know to align her writing to the left margin of the paper. But it's cool, she's "ahead."
Yeah, that’s not ahead. My first grader is using editing marks to correct spacing, punctuation, capitalization, verb tense, etc. I’m not sure with that teacher you would have been any better off in person though. She sounds like a lazy excuse for a human generally.
k3am - I’m doubtful based on what you’ve said in terms of feedback from the teacher and what work they are doing. But at my kids’ school, the “Zoom kids” were outpacing the in person kids on average. I’m not sure why. I’m not sure if it’s because they were getting one on one teaching with a parent or if a lot of the parents were supplementing because the work didn’t take long at all when they did it at home or if it was just what parents were choosing the at home option. DD is still pretty pissed off at how much time is wasted in at person school. She will say “It takes us 6 hours to do what I could do in like an hour and a half at home!” And she’s not wrong.
BUT... the kids at their school (at home or in person) are still evaluated and held to very high standards. They weren’t in a situation like yours where you weren’t having work graded and returned. My kids were still having tests weekly and multiple assignments checked and returned daily.
Yes to the bold--I think it's a combination of all of these. Attention from a parent if they were able to stay/work at home (hearing what's going on in class & able to remind, answer questions) plus supplementing & which kids were virtual (in my area, there's been a big push to invite kids that are struggling w/ virtual school back into buildings). I agree w/ your kid--in-person school does waste a lot of time (I work in schools).
For my kid, he's virtual and this last year has really shown me what they do every day at school (e.g. how they teach LA & math--one of my silver linings of this pandemic). He does his assignments, he reads for an hour+ every day, he studies with me for tests & asks me to proofread writing that I don't even know I'd know about if he were in-person (he wasn't the best about communicating his assignments/assessments--11th hour and all that). Now that I'm back in my building, I'm still trying to maintain my involvement w/ the day-to-day virtual routine (it's hard, H is home w/ him).
We had our round of parent teacher interviews and DD's kindergarten teacher mentioned that she has started noticing that it's hard to understand DD. We recognize the problem. We had her in private speech therapy for a few months last fall but she got discharged because all her individual words and letter sounds are fine. It's just that when she talks, all the words kind of blend in to each other. But it's not quite mumbling either. We don't really know what to do about it. Her kindergarten teacher said she did have dd assessed by the school SLP but neither could quite figure out what the problem is either.
I don't know what to do with that information. Dd was incredibly shy and has finally started to come out of her shell, but the fact that her teacher and other kids can't understand her half the time is starting to really affect her confidence again.
I think I would try speech if she qualifies and you are at public school. It’s free and requires no out of school time from you, so it couldn’t be easier.
DD wouldn't qualify for public school speech based on the last assessment. Her kindergarten teacher is going to try again, but she didn't seem all that hopeful. We wouldn't mind paying for private, but last time we went and took her to 3 SLPs and only one said she thought DD needed therapy; and even then, she got "discharged" after 7 sessions. If you make her slow down and say word by word, she's completely clear. But she never does that in real life.
My sister said her colleagues have noticed remote kids are "ahead" because parents are helping too much. It's not malicious or intentional, but parents do a lot more hand holding than a teacher who will let a kid struggle a bit more with independent work in a classroom setting.
So they're not actually ahead. And the teachers are frustrated because they can't accurately evaluate anything.
My sister said her colleagues have noticed remote kids are "ahead" because parents are helping too much. It's not malicious or intentional, but parents do a lot more hand holding than a teacher who will let a kid struggle a bit more with independent work in a classroom setting.
So they're not actually ahead. And the teachers are frustrated because they can't accurately evaluate anything.
When our kids took tests, their teachers could see and hear them. Cameras and microphones had to be on. So it was clear they weren’t cheating. And as the kids have gone back, it’s held true that they were ahead. Which again leads me to wonder if part of that result is because of the people who kept their kids home. The kids who were struggling to begin with weren’t staying home.
We sent our kids back because socially, they were struggling. Academically they were doing fine. But DS in particular was regressing socially and emotionally. So overall, we wanted them back in school. Purely academically though? DD would be better off with virtual school. As we all know, though, life isn’t purely academic. And DS is better off academically with a teacher.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
mommyatty, my 2nd grader still doesn't write in complete sentences. Or use capital letters. Or punctuation. Or even know to align her writing to the left margin of the paper. But it's cool, she's "ahead."
I worry about this too. FWIW, DS was also like this in 2nd and 3rd grade. A product of his personality and a poor 1st grade teacher. But his 2nd and 3rd teacher really cracked down hard. And his 4th grade teacher not so much. So when he gets to 5th, I’m sure I’ll be seeing bad grades in writing again. I don’t think his writing is deserving of all A’s this year. But it’s her first year teaching and global pandemic....
Ds was the same way. His 1st grade teacher didn’t care about anything, his second grade teacher spent a ton of time and effort helping him, then Covid happened 2/3 of the way through 2nd grade and it’s been downhill since. He’s worse now than he was 15 months ago. He can use text to type very well and his 5 paragraph papers are decent. But He can’t write and he can’t type.
I have no real read on where my zoomies are. They either don't do the work at all or are getting tons of help.
I think this is fairly accurate. Our school shut down and we needed childcare plus elearning so we had to hire someone. There are lots of people where there is a STAHP that can sit with the kid and there are plenty where the parents are working or whatever the situation is that they can’t help out at all.
E-learning for certain personalities and certain ages could be done 100% on their own but that is the exception. I think for must of us they need additional supervision to make sure they are on all calls and do they work or they just don’t.
We were full remote for the first month of school and since then my kids have been hybrid - two in person school days a week. My third grade girl is fine in any model. She gets all the concepts and is well organized.
My first grade boy missed 1/3 of kindergarten and now only learns anything two days per week because we have zero instruction on non in-person school days (they just get a homework packet 3 days a week). We don’t help him with the work because four kids and two jobs and resistance from him, so much of the homework doesn’t get done.
They’ll be in person everyday for the last ten weeks of school. He seems to be learning something, so hopefully he won’t be too far behind his classmates.
186momx- it’s time for you to be a bitch. Honestly. I would email the principal and copy the teacher, pointing out that not everyone is a SAH parent and that DD has better working conditions than she would have if she were in school in terms of background noise. Then I would point out the teacher’s utter inability to recognize DD’s need for accommodation and utter unwillingness to FOLLOW THE LAW in ensuring DD was accommodated appropriately this year. I would flat say she was incompetent to help any child who was learning at home and you had serious reservations about her ability to flex to deal with a classroom in person situation because of her rigidity and inability to recognize children’s different needs and different backgrounds.
I am fuming for you. Fuck that bitch. I would be DONE.
I’m mostly a lurker, but what the PP was talking about was herself being in an IEP meeting with the educational team at her daughter’s school and being asked to mute because her background noise was interfering with the meeting. That is a basic virtual meeting norm, especially in education. In our district, unless instructed otherwise, participants are muted unless speaking, whether students, teachers, or administrators. There may be other issues, but asking someone to mute during a meeting should not be one.
186momx- it’s time for you to be a bitch. Honestly. I would email the principal and copy the teacher, pointing out that not everyone is a SAH parent and that DD has better working conditions than she would have if she were in school in terms of background noise. Then I would point out the teacher’s utter inability to recognize DD’s need for accommodation and utter unwillingness to FOLLOW THE LAW in ensuring DD was accommodated appropriately this year. I would flat say she was incompetent to help any child who was learning at home and you had serious reservations about her ability to flex to deal with a classroom in person situation because of her rigidity and inability to recognize children’s different needs and different backgrounds.
I am fuming for you. Fuck that bitch. I would be DONE.
I’m mostly a lurker, but what the PP was talking about was herself being in an IEP meeting with the educational team at her daughter’s school and being asked to mute because her background noise was interfering with the meeting. That is a basic virtual meeting norm, especially in education. In our district, unless instructed otherwise, participants are muted unless speaking, whether students, teachers, or administrators. There may be other issues, but asking someone to mute during a meeting should not be one.
You missed the back story. This wasn’t “mute during this meeting” it was several times bitching that her daughter is in a private office WITH HER OWN DOOR but is sharing a general space with two people doing tax returns who occasionally have the audacity to answer a phone call or speak to each other. The daughter’s teacher believes every child should work in a completely silent area with no possibility of any noise ever happening near her. It’s flipping absurd. The teacher can’t teach so she’s blaming the background noise, which is minimal at most.
Yup,mommyatty is right. The child has been in a quiet work environment all year in a quiet office setting (no clients coming in due to Covid). The teacher constantly complains about background noise even though there really isn't any. And the child, I am sure, is adept at muting and unmuting during zoom.
Some school districts and teachers believe that e-learning children should be in a totally separate room away from parents and are upset if anyone is in the same room with them. But that is not realistic when parents are providing childcare during e-learning, or work, or have multiple children, or the child goes to daycare for e-learning.The only way that would be possible is if pp left her 8-9 year old home all day by themselves every day, which is not a good option at all.
My kids are back to school now, but when they were e-learning they were 2 kids in a room together with the nanny that I had to hire for e-leaning in our partially finished basement including my boiler and laundry area in the background of their zoom calls and the cat. And we were one of the lucky ones that didn't have to e-learn at the dining room table while I worked from home at the same table, and could afford to hire childcare. And none of the teachers that they had ever made a comment that they heard the sibling or the fact that they could see my laundry or that the cat walked across their desk LOL.
k3am. Oh no our kids aren't ahead at all. DD was ahead in all subjects other than spelling and writing in 3rd grade. She is still ahead but not because her teacher has moved her ahead. She has learned through workbooks or "mommy school". DD's report card reported she was below grade level in math when we got cards at the end of November. I inquired as we had been asking to move a grade level up in math and was denied because she didn't score 100% on the quiz her teacher gave her. The school was basing all math grades off of the kids I-ready math accounts and she was still mid 3rd grade. DD spent a good 6 weeks doing 4+ I-ready lessons a day and has since jumped 2 lessons ahead of the class which is where her other 4th grade friends are at in their virtual learning. DD's teacher admitted yesterday that she has no sense of DD's writing abilities. I was honest and said that the writing projects they have had DD did close to 10 drafts and had emailed and shared her project with other adults and students outside of school for feedback. The psych was like she did 10 times the work!
mommyatty, I have an email composed to the principle and will send towards the end of next week (Spring break) about Mrs. D constant complaining about DD's background noise. I'm also excusing her from zoom the week of April 15th as our office is going to be crazy and I don't have the energy to deal with cranky Mrs. D. The funny part is DD has asked her speech teacher a few times if she has a hard time hearing her as they meet in the afternoon and it is much noisier than first thing in the morning and speech has no issues. When DD talks with the counselor privately and during book club no one has issues then either.
charteroakstate, basically I was made to feel like I could not have any say so in the meeting. I'm supposed to the advocate for my kid in an IEP meeting. Everyone else had their microphone's on and were talking back and forth and I was relegated to nodding. I don't do zoom often and when I do it is with 100+ people so no one other than the speaker/host talks. DD is muted during class unless called on. It just so happens every time she gets called on the damn phone rings. Her teacher also complained when we've done class from home as the dog was making too much noise (she had a good scratch going on next to DD).
waverly, we started letting clients in to sign by appointment only last week when out county moved to moderate because we've been getting some push back from clients especially those that are vaccinated. I'm trying very hard to not schedule during DD's class zoom times to avoid the extra voices but that is going to get hard in the last couple weeks of tax season.
My kid is not ahead, but he is not behind either if it wasn't for me sitting with him and helping everyday he would not be where he is. I did all the extra work because virtual school is pointless for kindergarten and I didn't know how long it was going to last and refused to let him fall further and further behind and then loose all interest in school.
For the kids who didn't have that, If we had been out all school year I think there would have been a significant amount of kids who lost interest in school.
My twerk: I scheduled my mommy makeover surgery!!! Planning it for right before the holidays.