Re: the WaPo article... The K-8 school they reference where the outbreak started is a private school. Here is the local news article about the outbreak:
My kids are starting their outdoor sports soon. Soccer has been the most strict, but so far DD has only had a few indoor practices at a dome, and parents aren't allowed. Masks required 100% of the time. They love sports and its one of the things we're choosing to do (besides school) in regards to the risk/reward decisions.
This is so fascinating. I'm also fascinated that Minnesota has a renowned "Team Diarrhea" that studies national salmonella outbreaks. And now I'm giggling like a kid at "Team Diarrhea."
Also, this is one of the many reasons why kid cases are underreported:
"State leaders feared resistance in Carver County — no parent or player wants to report a mild COVID-19 case that puts an entire team in lockdown — but found a community of school and sports leaders willing to pitch in."
I remember reading something (maybe a viral tweet) where when there are sports outbreaks, you never hear about one. You hear about many at once. Because no one wants to be the one who shuts down a team or sport, but that causes cases to spiral about of control so that there is an outbreak.
We let DD3 play basketball this season. They were masked always. I was impressed at games to see the kids wearing them/making sure they were on. Just like most things, the younger kids just don't seem to consider it such an inconvenience.
At my high school, the basketball, volleyball, and cheer teams have all had outbreaks. I suspect it's happening during off-court activity, because really, most students are following masking rules while in the building.
DD2 is a junior, and she is starting golf in a couple of weeks. We feel good about it, because it's outdoors and they aren't required to be near each other at all. They will need to be masked as well.
eta: It's annoying that my 16 year old can only get the Pfizer vaccine, since all of the available appointments are for the J&J. I *think* our insurance health system will have some Pfizer for the kids, but we have to wait until April 12 to even start booking an appointment. note: this is a total first-world whine, I'm aware.
Proboards won’t let me post pics but the virologist kinggutterbaby on IG had good info about how the B117 variant is not actually worse for kids (for severity or transmission). The news is running with some headlines that are a but misleading
Post by InBetweenDays on Apr 7, 2021 14:25:51 GMT -5
pugz, Thanks for posting. I haven't checked in on her instragram account in awhile but will do so.
I've gotten very annoyed with headlines recently because there are so many that are misleading. The other day one said "Vaccines effective for 6 months". But in reality the article says they are effective for AT LEAST 6 months. That is just what they have the data for. But now I see anti-vax people posting about why get it when it's only good for 6 months. I know it's click bait - but there are many people who don't take the bait and are only "informed" by the headline.
pugz , Thanks for posting. I haven't checked in on her instragram account in awhile but will do so.
I've gotten very annoyed with headlines recently because there are so many that are misleading. The other day one said "Vaccines effective for 6 months". But in reality the article says they are effective for AT LEAST 6 months. That is just what they have the data for. But now I see anti-vax people posting about why get it when it's only good for 6 months. I know it's click bait - but there are many people who don't take the bait and are only "informed" by the headline.
Oh don’t get me started about people wondering why experts can’t say a vaccine is good for a million years when the vaccine itself is not even as old as the year-old pandemic. They're just ridiculous - they demand alllllllll the science but ignore it altogether too.
pugz, Thanks for posting. I haven't checked in on her instragram account in awhile but will do so.
I've gotten very annoyed with headlines recently because there are so many that are misleading. The other day one said "Vaccines effective for 6 months". But in reality the article says they are effective for AT LEAST 6 months. That is just what they have the data for. But now I see anti-vax people posting about why get it when it's only good for 6 months. I know it's click bait - but there are many people who don't take the bait and are only "informed" by the headline.
Same!! I won’t even blame that on lack of scientific understanding, that’s straight-up lack of reading comprehension.
pugz , Thanks for posting. I haven't checked in on her instragram account in awhile but will do so.
I've gotten very annoyed with headlines recently because there are so many that are misleading. The other day one said "Vaccines effective for 6 months". But in reality the article says they are effective for AT LEAST 6 months. That is just what they have the data for. But now I see anti-vax people posting about why get it when it's only good for 6 months. I know it's click bait - but there are many people who don't take the bait and are only "informed" by the headline.
This has been happening the entire pandemic. The clickbait headlines are maddening and not helpful. Never have been and certainly aren't now.
All sports are not the same, and sports in all locations are not the same.
My 2.5 year old wears a mask for his outdoor soccer league, where distancing is encouraged (ie multiple stations set up, keeping the kids moving during the activities). His nose pops out maybe twice in 45 minutes and we fix it right away. They take lots of water breaks so he can take his mask off, and all the parents just make sure their chairs / water are more than 6’ from the next family’s station. We don’t socialize with any of the families outside of the 45 min/ week activity (no pretending we are now all in a bubble) and obviously wouldn’t carpool. I feel like if toddlers can figure it out, older kids can too. We also waited to resume an outdoor sport/activity until case rates and percent positivity were low in our area, and I’d pull him if we experienced another surge.
I don’t buy the argument that we *can’t* mask while exerting ourselves - I’ll be wearing one while pushing out a baby sometime over the next few weeks.
Post by sillygoosegirl on Apr 7, 2021 17:02:00 GMT -5
I'm getting really sick of explaining to my kid why she can't do the things that her "Emily-Oster-Vaccinated-Equivalent" friends can do. I feel like things should be getting easier to deal with by now, but instead they are actually getting harder to deal with, now that the pandemic seems to be over for everyone else (playgrounds constantly swarmed with unmasked kids, etc), while I'm still not eligible for a vaccine and 68% of the population in my area remains 100% unvaccinated. I miss the feeling of all of us being in this together, that really helped with the loneliness for me. Now it's this weird feeling of being alone in a crowd, while also actually being alone in my house with just my husband and kid. I feel like there should be a word for that feeling, but I'm not sure what it is. I think I'm feeling the loneliest I have all pandemic right now.
Probably I'll be able to get an appointment right away when I become eligible in 12 days, right? Right? Don't answer that. I know I can't handle the truth right now.
My brother is coming to visit this summer with his 5 kids. He and SIL won’t get the vaccine because of “unknown long term side effects”. Turns out they think it will delete their DNA or something nuts?
I mean none of their kids are old enough to get vaxxed yet and all the adults on our end will be but it is still disappointing to find out how off they deep end they’ve gone since we saw them last (2019).
pugz I have a similar situation going on too. Except 3 of my 4 sisters and their Hs won't be getting the vaccine apparently... or they're "in no hurry" whatever that means. Among the 3 sisters are 6 kids all under 12 & one of said kids is a newborn. My oldest sister, H and I are the only sane ones in the bunch. Thankfully both my parents are vaccinated (got their second shot yesterday).
All sports are not the same, and sports in all locations are not the same.
My 2.5 year old wears a mask for his outdoor soccer league, where distancing is encouraged (ie multiple stations set up, keeping the kids moving during the activities). His nose pops out maybe twice in 45 minutes and we fix it right away. They take lots of water breaks so he can take his mask off, and all the parents just make sure their chairs / water are more than 6’ from the next family’s station. We don’t socialize with any of the families outside of the 45 min/ week activity (no pretending we are now all in a bubble) and obviously wouldn’t carpool. I feel like if toddlers can figure it out, older kids can too. We also waited to resume an outdoor sport/activity until case rates and percent positivity were low in our area, and I’d pull him if we experienced another surge.
I don’t buy the argument that we *can’t* mask while exerting ourselves - I’ll be wearing one while pushing out a baby sometime over the next few weeks.
I agree tacom , You can wear a mask while exerting yourself. MA mask mandates requires masking whenever you leave your own property. My son and his 2 friends play outside all day. The wear masks, and like most 11 year olds, they are running, jumping, and never stopping. He is at soccer practice right now where every child and coach are wearing masks properly. I guess some would feel this is not safe, but he is outdoors. He has not been in anybody's house or car for over a year.
I have been going to the Y and exercising. I sweat, but my mask is never dripping or wet.
ETA: School associated extra-curricular require once-per-week pooled testing. Students who participate in these activities cannot opt out. I think this will be important in stopping school related spread. The high school girls swim team was quarantined after their first week.
Probably I'll be able to get an appointment right away when I become eligible in 12 days, right? Right? Don't answer that. I know I can't handle the truth right now.
In CO they opened eligibility to everyone last Friday and appointments are fairly easy to get.
My husband and I have each had our first shot. Our children have not had vaccines or exposures. We WFH, homeschool, one kid has soccer outside (he and two other kids are masked), and we go to the indoor pool ~once a week. The pool is hands down our risk factor. My brother is coming to visit. He lives alone, works from home, and is traveling and working from his RV. He's had his first shot.
My plan was to quarantine my household, test before my brother gets here, just to be sure, but that ~$700 is not gonna happen. The insurance company is saying it's not "medically appropriate," and my argument that "medically appropriate" means ANYONE WITH LUNGS is apparently not persuasive.
None of those places should even require you to provide insurance so not sure how your insurance could say no since you don’t even have to give it to them.
My husband and I have each had our first shot. Our children have not had vaccines or exposures. We WFH, homeschool, one kid has soccer outside (he and two other kids are masked), and we go to the indoor pool ~once a week. The pool is hands down our risk factor. My brother is coming to visit. He lives alone, works from home, and is traveling and working from his RV. He's had his first shot.
My plan was to quarantine my household, test before my brother gets here, just to be sure, but that ~$700 is not gonna happen. The insurance company is saying it's not "medically appropriate," and my argument that "medically appropriate" means ANYONE WITH LUNGS is apparently not persuasive.
Our insurance is the same. It will only cover testing if you have a known exposure or symptoms. So therefore everytime we've needed a test we've selected we have been exposed. I assume we've been exposed daily and it's not a lie.
My husband and I have each had our first shot. Our children have not had vaccines or exposures. We WFH, homeschool, one kid has soccer outside (he and two other kids are masked), and we go to the indoor pool ~once a week. The pool is hands down our risk factor. My brother is coming to visit. He lives alone, works from home, and is traveling and working from his RV. He's had his first shot.
My plan was to quarantine my household, test before my brother gets here, just to be sure, but that ~$700 is not gonna happen. The insurance company is saying it's not "medically appropriate," and my argument that "medically appropriate" means ANYONE WITH LUNGS is apparently not persuasive.
Also curious where you live. DH thought he was exposed at work and couldn’t get an appointment at a county test site (LA the week after NYE so everyone was testing because we had a huge spike). He went to a private clinic and paid for faster processing (2 days vs 4 days) and it was $150. I know around here pharmacies are also doing them for low to no cost.
My 5 year old is BEGGING for swim lessons. I know she needs them, and we want to go to the beach this summer. I keep going back and forth since a pool seems safer due to the chlorine, but it’s an inherently unmasked thing.
My 5 year old is BEGGING for swim lessons. I know she needs them, and we want to go to the beach this summer. I keep going back and forth since a pool seems safer due to the chlorine, but it’s an inherently unmasked thing.
We need to get back into lessons, too. We didn't do them last year. Usually my two kids are with 1-2 other kids and an instructor, so its not a huge group. Drowning is one of my biggest mom fears, so I am feeling more anxious that they are getting even further behind. I want them to be able to jump in the middle of a lake in deep water and know what to do.
My 5 year old is BEGGING for swim lessons. I know she needs them, and we want to go to the beach this summer. I keep going back and forth since a pool seems safer due to the chlorine, but it’s an inherently unmasked thing.
My 5 year old is BEGGING for swim lessons. I know she needs them, and we want to go to the beach this summer. I keep going back and forth since a pool seems safer due to the chlorine, but it’s an inherently unmasked thing.
We need to get back into lessons, too. We didn't do them last year. Usually my two kids are with 1-2 other kids and an instructor, so its not a huge group. Drowning is one of my biggest mom fears, so I am feeling more anxious that they are getting even further behind. I want them to be able to jump in the middle of a lake in deep water and know what to do.
I would not hesitate to put my child in swim lessons.
My 5 year old is BEGGING for swim lessons. I know she needs them, and we want to go to the beach this summer. I keep going back and forth since a pool seems safer due to the chlorine, but it’s an inherently unmasked thing.
Swim lesson classes are filling up here fast. We are waiting til June and doing outdoor lessons
My sister and BIL won't get vaccinated. She's not speaking to me because I had to tell her that she cannot have visits with my kids indoors until either she or they are vaccinated. She's already pissed about Christmas but I don't give a shit
WRT swimming lessons, call the various pools you are look g at and ask their Covid precautions. Ours closed the locker rooms (bathroom only no changing), no free swim time after the lesson, instructors wear masks and shields, one parent per swimmer, parent must stay in their “box” (there are spaced out tape boxes with two chairs each on the deck). Parents must wear masks at all times and swimmers must wear masks until they get in the pool. Ours is also outside. I feel very safe.
My 5 year old is BEGGING for swim lessons. I know she needs them, and we want to go to the beach this summer. I keep going back and forth since a pool seems safer due to the chlorine, but it’s an inherently unmasked thing.
We need to get back into lessons, too. We didn't do them last year. Usually my two kids are with 1-2 other kids and an instructor, so its not a huge group. Drowning is one of my biggest mom fears, so I am feeling more anxious that they are getting even further behind. I want them to be able to jump in the middle of a lake in deep water and know what to do.
My kid swims and I'm pretty comfortable with it. Her pool is pretty vigilant about masking till they jump in the pool and they've been open since June (except Dec - Jan shutdown) with no cases.
Post by InBetweenDays on Apr 8, 2021 11:40:24 GMT -5
So not sports related, but I need to bitch. Our schools are finally offering a hybrid option starting 4/19 (this is only being done because our governor made a proclamation forcing it). For grades 6-12, Wednesdays are asynchronous all day for everyone. M/T/Th/Fr all kids will be remote synchronous in the morning from 9-11:10am. Kids who choose to return will be broken into 2 cohorts. One cohort will be in-person M/T afternoons, the other cohort will be in person Th/F afternoons. (remote kids will have synchronous time M/T/Th/F)
Check-in for the afternoon session starts at 11:40. Classes start at 11:55am. High schoolers here never get yellow bus services. Middle school is not offering bus services this spring unless required by an IEP. So, my kids have essentially 30 minutes to eat lunch and get themselves to school. Which is a mile walk for DD, 2 miles for DS. DD's high school principal has sent numerous emails (including a Re-entry guidebook) and has said they're creating some sort of buffer class to allow kids more time to get to school.
Crickets from DS' principal. Except to say kids are not allowed to bring backpacks. The PTSA may issue those drawstring packs. Yet they have to bring their laptop (and of course water, notebooks, any school books they need, etc.). She claims it is a space issue but classes will be less than half full and we're the only school in the district that I've heard with this rule. I generally have a flexible work schedule, but there will be times that I can't drive them. So DS is supposed to walk 2 miles with his laptop and all other school necessities in a flimsy and uncomfortable drawstring backpack?? SO many people have emailed to ask her to reconsider and she won't budge. We have a school zoom meeting tonight so it could be very interesting. Whatever the case I'm sending DS with a small backpack on days he has to walk.
So not sports related, but I need to bitch. Our schools are finally offering a hybrid option starting 4/19 (this is only being done because our governor made a proclamation forcing it). For grades 6-12, Wednesdays are asynchronous all day for everyone. M/T/Th/Fr all kids will be remote synchronous in the morning from 9-11:10am. Kids who choose to return will be broken into 2 cohorts. One cohort will be in-person M/T afternoons, the other cohort will be in person Th/F afternoons. (remote kids will have synchronous time M/T/Th/F)
Check-in for the afternoon session starts at 11:40. Classes start at 11:55am. High schoolers here never get yellow bus services. Middle school is not offering bus services this spring unless required by an IEP. So, my kids have essentially 30 minutes to eat lunch and get themselves to school. Which is a mile walk for DD, 2 miles for DS. DD's high school principal has sent numerous emails (including a Re-entry guidebook) and has said they're creating some sort of buffer class to allow kids more time to get to school.
Crickets from DS' principal. Except to say kids are not allowed to bring backpacks. The PTSA may issue those drawstring packs. Yet they have to bring their laptop (and of course water, notebooks, any school books they need, etc.). She claims it is a space issue but classes will be less than half full and we're the only school in the district that I've heard with this rule. I generally have a flexible work schedule, but there will be times that I can't drive them. So DS is supposed to walk 2 miles with his laptop and all other school necessities in a flimsy and uncomfortable drawstring backpack?? SO many people have emailed to ask her to reconsider and she won't budge. We have a school zoom meeting tonight so it could be very interesting. Whatever the case I'm sending DS with a small backpack on days he has to walk.
yeah....that's simply dumb. And I'm not sure what they think they're accomplishing. if each kid is 6' from the nearest kid, there's TONS of room for their backpack to be with them.
So not sports related, but I need to bitch. Our schools are finally offering a hybrid option starting 4/19 (this is only being done because our governor made a proclamation forcing it). For grades 6-12, Wednesdays are asynchronous all day for everyone. M/T/Th/Fr all kids will be remote synchronous in the morning from 9-11:10am. Kids who choose to return will be broken into 2 cohorts. One cohort will be in-person M/T afternoons, the other cohort will be in person Th/F afternoons. (remote kids will have synchronous time M/T/Th/F)
Check-in for the afternoon session starts at 11:40. Classes start at 11:55am. High schoolers here never get yellow bus services. Middle school is not offering bus services this spring unless required by an IEP. So, my kids have essentially 30 minutes to eat lunch and get themselves to school. Which is a mile walk for DD, 2 miles for DS. DD's high school principal has sent numerous emails (including a Re-entry guidebook) and has said they're creating some sort of buffer class to allow kids more time to get to school.
Crickets from DS' principal. Except to say kids are not allowed to bring backpacks. The PTSA may issue those drawstring packs. Yet they have to bring their laptop (and of course water, notebooks, any school books they need, etc.). She claims it is a space issue but classes will be less than half full and we're the only school in the district that I've heard with this rule. I generally have a flexible work schedule, but there will be times that I can't drive them. So DS is supposed to walk 2 miles with his laptop and all other school necessities in a flimsy and uncomfortable drawstring backpack?? SO many people have emailed to ask her to reconsider and she won't budge. We have a school zoom meeting tonight so it could be very interesting. Whatever the case I'm sending DS with a small backpack on days he has to walk.
yeah....that's simply dumb. And I'm not sure what they think they're accomplishing. if each kid is 6' from the nearest kid, there's TONS of room for their backpack to be with them.
But what if the backpack hasn't been sanitized?!?!? Are you sure it's safe to be within 6 ft of a surface someone else touched?
Just kidding, that's a dumbass rule. One of those hygiene theater things that seems like it interferes with actual safety (by making it difficult for kids to get to school safely in this case). Has nobody considered that a no-backpacks rule is going to mean kids who otherwise could have walked will now feel they need to carpool?
Yeah I don’t get the backpack hate either. The kid will be carrying lunch, a water, a spare mask, hand sanitizer and potentially some school stuff.... they’re taking some kind of containing implement.