I’d really like the reporting to switch to hospitalization and deaths instead of cases. There’s always going to be cases but as long as the vaccine keeps people from being hospitalized/dying, it is still working.
I thought it did at least by the CDC but then they were accused of hiding the “lack of success” of the vaccines. You just can’t win.
But I think I also read local health departments are still trying to keep track of breakthrough cases. As I believe they should, because it could probably provide some valuable information about what makes breakthrough cases more likely for people.
Yeah I’m down with tracking cases, but I would like less focus on daily case numbers.
My company has always had virtual customers, so most conference rooms already have phone capabilities and a tv or monitor for people to connect to with laptops, but these have been videoless meetings. The pandemic pushed us into using cameras more, and our rooms are not setup with multiple screens or a camera so that people can present charts while also seeing the pretty faces of the virtual attendees.
Post by Velar Fricative on Jul 15, 2021 8:29:06 GMT -5
NYC released some information yesterday for the first time about breakthrough cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Considering our high population and density it's good information to share:
1.1% of all covid cases were among fully vaccinated people (5,279 breakthrough cases out of 505,302 cases total)
1.5% of all covid hospitalizations were among fully vaccinated people (583 breakthrough hospitalizations out of 37,311 hospitalizations total)
1.2% of all covid deaths occurred in fully vaccinated people (94 deaths versus 8,163 total deaths)
Because I am a math geek, I also wanted to see just how many cases, hospitalizations and deaths there were among the fully vaccinated population and how many occurred in unvaccinated people. It is not perfect because the NYC vaccine data dashboard runs up to yesterday and the data above is only through mid-June, but it probably is still helpful given plateauing vaccination rates anyway. So per my math:
0.12% of fully vaccinated NYC residents have tested positive for covid. 12.63% of unvaccinated NYC residents have tested positive for covid.
0.013% of FV residents have been hospitalized versus 0.93% of UV residents.
0.0021% of FV residents have died versus 0.2% of UV residents.
These numbers aren't perfect because 1) it accounts for cases before Delta was surging, and 2) while the rates of hospitalizations and deaths of UV residents is still quite small, it's technically higher because the UV resident data includes @@children under 12 and we know they are even less likely to have severe cases.@@
But still, the data is clear that it's better to be vaccinated. I just expect any antivax person doing the same math to look at those small hospitalization/death rates and say they'll continue to take their chances.
My company has always had virtual customers, so most conference rooms already have phone capabilities and a tv or monitor for people to connect to with laptops, but these have been videoless meetings. The pandemic pushed us into using cameras more, and our rooms are not setup with multiple screens or a camera so that people can present charts while also seeing the pretty faces of the virtual attendees.
Yep, that's our concern. Like, we've always had meetings where some people were calling in, but being that person on the phone has always sucked. You have to really work to make sure you are heard if you have something to see, if people start drawing on a white board or scribbling on paper you're SOL. Now that we're going into this with the expectation that for the next year at least EVERY meeting is going to be mixed like that we've been brainstorming what we need tech wise to make it more seamless. How to make it so you can see virtual participants at the same "level" as the in person participants, how they can see everybody in the room, and if needed - what people in the room are looking at.
One of the reasons Delta sucks and is so contagious is that patients have 1000x the viral load in their respiratory tracks (tracts?) Oh, and prepare yourself for Epsilon which is also super successful because its new and improved protein spiky is extra able to bind to cells.
My company has always had virtual customers, so most conference rooms already have phone capabilities and a tv or monitor for people to connect to with laptops, but these have been videoless meetings. The pandemic pushed us into using cameras more, and our rooms are not setup with multiple screens or a camera so that people can present charts while also seeing the pretty faces of the virtual attendees.
Yep, that's our concern. Like, we've always had meetings where some people were calling in, but being that person on the phone has always sucked. You have to really work to make sure you are heard if you have something to see, if people start drawing on a white board or scribbling on paper you're SOL. Now that we're going into this with the expectation that for the next year at least EVERY meeting is going to be mixed like that we've been brainstorming what we need tech wise to make it more seamless. How to make it so you can see virtual participants at the same "level" as the in person participants, how they can see everybody in the room, and if needed - what people in the room are looking at.
Work is fully integrated into Microsoft Teams and if we're doing outside events we switch to Zoom. For meetings where whiteboard moments happen, I've been using Google Jamboard, which everyone can log into and is real time.
Although, as I think I said, I have several groups that are just making it uncomfortable enough for the remote people that they're pushing them into coming in for in person. I just got our new department Owl, and I'm going to train the managers today.
Yep, that's our concern. Like, we've always had meetings where some people were calling in, but being that person on the phone has always sucked. You have to really work to make sure you are heard if you have something to see, if people start drawing on a white board or scribbling on paper you're SOL. Now that we're going into this with the expectation that for the next year at least EVERY meeting is going to be mixed like that we've been brainstorming what we need tech wise to make it more seamless. How to make it so you can see virtual participants at the same "level" as the in person participants, how they can see everybody in the room, and if needed - what people in the room are looking at.
Work is fully integrated into Microsoft Teams and if we're doing outside events we switch to Zoom. For meetings where whiteboard moments happen, I've been using Google Jamboard, which everyone can log into and is real time.
Although, as I think I said, I have several groups that are just making it uncomfortable enough for the remote people that they're pushing them into coming in for in person. I just got our new department Owl, and I'm going to train the managers today.
I sent the link to the Owl to our regional operations manager. Thank you for that. No idea if it's in the budget right now (we're still buying every dockign station and monitor we can get our hands on to allow people to have full set ups at home and in the office) but it looks like an awesome solution to our little huddle rooms with the white boards. Right now there's a phone in there to call people in, and obviously we can just bring in our laptops, but we do use the white boards a lot. Or did anyway. when we were there.
Something like Jamboard definitely helps, (I was just working on a project that was using Miro and it's pretty magical) but it's often just easier to physically draw the stuff we're doing - though maybe my mouse drawing skills will improve eventually.
it's something we dealt with previously since my group supports across the whole company, and I had a team member who was full time remote precovid - but this feels like an opportunity to just make it EASY. like, seamless. you walk into the room, sign into the meeting, share the materials, the virtual people pop on a screen, they can see you, you can see them, they can see what you're looking at, they can show you what they're looking at...work proceeds. the end. No awkwardly holding cameras up to whiteboards or paper up to cameras or snapping pictures of things to send to virtual participants.
I keep googling, but I can find any information about the risk of a vaccinated person infecting another vaccinated person. I found out today that a coworker who I’ve sat in 2 meetings with in the last week tested positive. We are both vaccinated and had our masks on the whole time. I was sent home to work, but first went and got tested. I’m freaking out because I go on vacation tomorrow night. I wish I could find some data on vaccinated person to vaccinated person transmission to calm my nerves.
I keep googling, but I can find any information about the risk of a vaccinated person infecting another vaccinated person. I found out today that a coworker who I’ve sat in 2 meetings with in the last week tested positive. We are both vaccinated and had our masks on the whole time. I was sent home to work, but first went and got tested. I’m freaking out because I go on vacation tomorrow night. I wish I could find some data on vaccinated person to vaccinated person transmission to calm my nerves.
I don't have actual numbers, but from what's been said by the scientists and epidemiologists I've been following, I really wouldn't worry about this. Both vaccinated AND masked? I think you'll be just fine.
I keep googling, but I can find any information about the risk of a vaccinated person infecting another vaccinated person. I found out today that a coworker who I’ve sat in 2 meetings with in the last week tested positive. We are both vaccinated and had our masks on the whole time. I was sent home to work, but first went and got tested. I’m freaking out because I go on vacation tomorrow night. I wish I could find some data on vaccinated person to vaccinated person transmission to calm my nerves.
I don't have actual numbers, but from what's been said by the scientists and epidemiologists I've been following, I really wouldn't worry about this. Both vaccinated AND masked? I think you'll be just fine.
Thanks. I should add that she’s asymptomatic too. I just don’t want to cancel a much needed vacation.
I don't have actual numbers, but from what's been said by the scientists and epidemiologists I've been following, I really wouldn't worry about this. Both vaccinated AND masked? I think you'll be just fine.
Thanks. I should add that she’s asymptomatic too. I just don’t want to cancel a much needed vacation.
I would bet money you're fine. Like. Literal money.
I don't have actual numbers, but from what's been said by the scientists and epidemiologists I've been following, I really wouldn't worry about this. Both vaccinated AND masked? I think you'll be just fine.
Thanks. I should add that she’s asymptomatic too. I just don’t want to cancel a much needed vacation.
One of THE big questions right now is “are asymptomatic, vaccinated people who test positive for Covid-19 capable of spreading the virus or is the super sensitive PCR test picking up RNA from dead virus because the immune system stopped it in its tracks?” It’s quite possible your coworker was never shedding live virus, or at least large enough levels to actually infect other people.
Thanks. I should add that she’s asymptomatic too. I just don’t want to cancel a much needed vacation.
One of THE big questions right now is “are asymptomatic, vaccinated people who test positive for Covid-19 capable of spreading the virus or is the super sensitive PCR test picking up RNA from dead virus because the immune system stopped it in its tracks?” It’s quite possible your coworker was never shedding live virus, or at least large enough levels to actually infect other people.
Yes I have read quite a bit of twitter threads from people who actually know what they are talking about on this topic.
ny96 I would also bet money that you are absolutely fine. Enjoy your vacation!
Post-vaccination Infections Come in 2 Different Flavors Lumping all breakthroughs together, regardless of symptoms, miscasts what our COVID-19 vaccines can do.
Thanks. I should add that she’s asymptomatic too. I just don’t want to cancel a much needed vacation.
I would bet money you're fine. Like. Literal money.
Sure, *she'll* be fine, but if she will be seeing unvaccinated or otherwise high risk people on vacation, it's still not super clear that they would be fine. If she is seeing vaccinated people on vacation who could later be excluded from work for close contact with a confirmed case even though they are vaccinated, that could still be a problem even if they too wouldn't be at much personal risk.
I would bet money you're fine. Like. Literal money.
Sure, *she'll* be fine, but if she will be seeing unvaccinated or otherwise high risk people on vacation, it's still not super clear that they would be fine. If she is seeing vaccinated people on vacation who could later be excluded from work for close contact with a confirmed case even though they are vaccinated, that could still be a problem even if they too wouldn't be at much personal risk.
By “fine” I meant not infected at all and therefore not a danger to others.