The Kremlin papers

[carmenere]

I know there are a lot of questions about the authenticity of the documents, but how do we not have a thread about this yet??

Original article from The Guardian:
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

A more skeptical take from WaPo:
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/15/blockbuster-document-purportedly-kremlin-raises-lots-questions-about-itself/

And from former US cyber security chief Chris Krebs:

Agree w/ @ridt on this Guardian reporting on Russian plans for the former President. This is far too convenient & reeks of #disinfo operation. It could all be individually or collectively true and at the same time planted & fake.

[Jalapeñomel]

I read up on this yesterday, but I’m not sure if it’s to be trusted or not.

[mouse]

I’m really tired of uncertainty.

[TR]

Jul 16, 2021 13:30:12 GMT -5 mouse said:

I’m really tired of uncertainty.

I feel like this is why there isn't a thread on it. We spent a lot of time already discussing whether or not pee tapes exist, etc. There's literally no way to know if these papers are legit and any discussion would just be speculation with no facts. It's exhausting.

[mouse]

Jul 16, 2021 13:44:29 GMT -5 TR said:

Jul 16, 2021 13:30:12 GMT -5 mouse said:

I’m really tired of uncertainty.

I feel like this is why there isn't a thread on it. We spent a lot of time already discussing whether or not pee tapes exist, etc. There's literally no way to know if these papers are legit and any discussion would just be speculation with no facts. It's exhausting.

And then if it turns out to be real, it’s old news. Which is probably not a coincidence.

I just want to flip to the end and find out what really happened.

[rubytue]

Jul 16, 2021 14:21:17 GMT -5 mouse said:

Jul 16, 2021 13:44:29 GMT -5 TR said:

I feel like this is why there isn't a thread on it. We spent a lot of time already discussing whether or not pee tapes exist, etc. There's literally no way to know if these papers are legit and any discussion would just be speculation with no facts. It's exhausting.

And then if it turns out to be real, it’s old news. Which is probably not a coincidence.

I just want to flip to the end and find out what really happened.

Yes! Can I just read the wikipedia summary of the plot line? I’m about at that point in the movie. 

On the one hand, I really want to just close the book on the trump presidency. It was a horrible test of our democracy, but is over. And I just don’t want to keep rehashing it. 

On the other, I know the after action review is key to not letting it happen again. And I know he has so many followers.  So it is important. 

But mostly, the first hand wins. I was really feeling that when I read about the general and the coup early this week. I read it, and almost posted it. But just couldn’t get up the energy. And then someone else posted it later. 

After bush’s reelection, I had to check out of politics for awhile for my own mental health. I’m there now. Need to heal. But can we heal as a nation without knowing everything that almost happened?

[Gwen]

When it comes to Trump, we have all been trained to not believe what we are seeing with our own eyes and not believe what we are hearing with our own ears. We all watched live news coverage of January 6th. And now we are not to believe it was anything but nice people on a nice day acting nicely.

Trump has been genuflecting to Putin forever. We have seen it and heard it. Of course there is a reason for it. He’s just not being a nice guy to him.