Post by amberlyrose on Jul 20, 2021 16:23:59 GMT -5
My hometown has seen a sharp increase this week. It's rural with a county medical center and it's overwhelmed with ventilator patients. The mayor is finally admitting that he and his family all received the vaccine recently. I'm just so angry that rural town leaders like him pushed so hard against the Dem governor and now that shit is hitting the fan, they are worried and putting out calls to action. IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS. I'm so worried that my mom won't be able to see her parents any time soon because she recently had surgery and none of her family have taken this seriously.
wildrice, I'm vaccinated and am back to living my life pretty much as normal. I hadn't planned to get tested unless I have symptoms. I really don't think it is necessary at this point to test just because you've been around a lot of people.
wildrice , it wasn't for me specifically, but for 2 family members with symptoms I got the over the counter Bionax Now test from Walgreens. It is a rapid test with 99% accuracy for negative and 91% accuracy for positives. Since they were symptomatic, I figured we were in the time frame to get a positive if they did have Covid. Both family members tested negative. There are 2 tests in the package so you can test now and again 36 hours later. You take it in your house, self administered and get the results 15 minutes later.
I am assuming you are vaccinated, so you aren't technically exposed unless you knew someone in that crowd actually had Covid and you were a close contact. If that were the case, I would do a PCR. But if it is just hey I was in a crowd, then I think a rapid is fine.
Thanks! Do you know how much that cost? I'm trying to be conscientious, but I am not sure I'm selfless enough to pay a ton for it
I am vaccinated. I'm probably being overly cautious, but I was around a LOT of people last week so I can't imagine none of them had COVID. I may not have had direct exposure to all of them, but I was indoors with a lot of people several times so who knows. This delta variant is concerning me. I am not worried at all about my own health, I just don't want to give it to a coworker who will then bring it home to unvaccinated family.
There was a large outdoor charity event planned in my city this weekend and the out of state organizers put out a statement that "Given the significant increase in positivity rate and transmission surge in Tarrant County, the Big #KindnessDuck Party has chosen to reschedule the event to October."
It's so disheartening to see cancellations happening again when it was so preventable.
There's a link going around the internet for a supposed Go Fund Me site for this event. For this particular Go Fund Me site, so far they've only raised about 30% of their goal. I'm wondering if this was actually postponed for additional unnamed reasons - such as fundraising below their goal.
I mean, if you're concerned about theoretically "doing the right thing," then wouldn't the theoretical "right thing" have been to not travel and not end up in situations where you could have potentially been unknowingly exposed in the first place?
I mean, if you're concerned about theoretically "doing the right thing," then wouldn't the theoretical "right thing" have been to not travel and not end up in situations where you could have potentially been unknowingly exposed in the first place?
I agree with this. The CDC guidelines say you don’t need to quarantine after an exposure if you’re vaccinated. My office policy, however, doesn’t make a distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated employees and if you have “close contact” (within six feet for more than 15 minutes) with someone Covid-positive, you would NOT be allowed back for 10 days.
So either quarantine for real if there’s a reason to be cautious or follow the CDC guidelines and don’t worry about it. Otherwise you’ll drive yourself crazy every time you’re out in public!
I mean, if you're concerned about theoretically "doing the right thing," then wouldn't the theoretical "right thing" have been to not travel and not end up in situations where you could have potentially been unknowingly exposed in the first place?
Honestly, if all this news about vaccinated folks being COVID positive had been out when we booked the trip, we may not have gone. I figured we were fine to do whatever since we were vaccinated but it sounds like that may no longer be the case.
I guess I just won't worry about it. I wonder if delta will cause the guidance to change eventually.
Post by Velar Fricative on Jul 20, 2021 18:44:11 GMT -5
Suddenly conservatives care about vaccines. I did notice the sudden about-face too and wonder wtf was going on. Did they finally realize their voters are dying? Did they wait until Biden’s failed 7/4 70% goal to start pushing? I’ll take any push to vaccinate more people but many areas wouldn’t be seeing the surges they’re seeing now if not for their politicization of the vaccines. Not to mention it will take weeks for today’s new vaccinations to be effective.
Suddenly conservatives care about vaccines. I did notice the sudden about-face too and wonder wtf was going on. Did they finally realize their voters are dying? Did they wait until Biden’s failed 7/4 70% goal to start pushing? I’ll take any push to vaccinate more people but many areas wouldn’t be seeing the surges they’re seeing now if not for their politicization of the vaccines. Not to mention it will take weeks for today’s new vaccinations to be effective.
I do think the threat of more restrictions and possible economic reverberations are good conservative arguments for promoting vaccination. Plus, the vaccines are safe and developed by three U.S.-based drugmakers. There’s no good political reason to continue to sow fear and distrust.
This is highly #regional, of course, but I would not be shocked to see restrictions reinstated here if cases continue to tick up. LA recently brought back their mask mandate; most of the Bay Area has a new mask “recommendation” for vaccinated people (not quite a mandate … yet). Companies like Apple are pushing back their return to work dates. Obviously all these examples are California-specific and even Newsom is feeling the pressure not to move backward, BUT. None of these things are positive signals and, as the article points out, they’re not helping the stock market. Get it done, get people back to work and get the masses back to spending money and supporting small businesses.
So I see the latest arguments from the anti-vaxxers are that vaccinated people are also getting covid so why poison themselves? I hate the universe.
The people I know who won’t get vaccinated (mostly extended family I rarely see) either (1) already have had Covid so they don’t see the point or (2) think vaccines are fine/worth the risk for the elderly/immunocompromised but not necessary for them because they’re young/healthy and the vaccines are still too new. Both very very frustrating. (I don’t personally know any people who are full tilt into the microchip/5G conspiracies etc. but obviously those people are out there too.)
The second is a relative of mine and his girlfriend. Both of whom tested positive recently. She’s young (20s), fit, healthy...and had to go to both urgent care and the er for symptom management. Her contact came from a friend. The friend got it from her mom who is vaccinated I’m pissed because he was around his dad who is over 60 and has a legitimate reason he is unable to be vaccinated. It very well could have ended very badly. When we were discussing the vaccine, he said he was uncomfortable with what he was hearing about the side effects versus how the people he’d known who had Covid had done (mostly pretty well). Well Delta is a b#%^ and he felt pretty awful, had to miss a lot of work... I’d love to know of he is going to get the vaccine when he is eligible:
Post by JayhawkGirl on Jul 21, 2021 0:33:40 GMT -5
We caught it from my fully vaccinated parents. It seemed like allergies to them, then progressed to illness after having had us over. All four in my home have been ill. The ones not eligible to vax yet are having a harder time and our worries are not fully abated yet as coughing is increasing on this, day 11. Last week is a total blur to me and DH of fatigue and cough and headache, and that was “mild” cases with vaccines on board. Health department said this sounds like delta (five of us six vaccinated adults are positive plus @)
We had remained *extremely* cautious. Nothing indoors except seeing my fully vaccinated parents and sister.
Please mask back up in public. If you’re vaccinated and have allergies - even if it feels like your regular allergies - please test.
But the truth of the matter is, I’d probably take it if it’s available. I had a hell of a reaction to my second Moderna dose, but I’d take another 36 hours of fever and muscle pain to avoid covid.
On that note, I hope you and your family feel better soon JayhawkGirl. I feel like I hear about breakthrough cases (mostly on here but sometimes IRL) pretty regularly these days.
Suddenly conservatives care about vaccines. I did notice the sudden about-face too and wonder wtf was going on. Did they finally realize their voters are dying? Did they wait until Biden’s failed 7/4 70% goal to start pushing? I’ll take any push to vaccinate more people but many areas wouldn’t be seeing the surges they’re seeing now if not for their politicization of the vaccines. Not to mention it will take weeks for today’s new vaccinations to be effective.
I do think the threat of more restrictions and possible economic reverberations are good conservative arguments for promoting vaccination. Plus, the vaccines are safe and developed by three U.S.-based drugmakers. There’s no good political reason to continue to sow fear and distrust.
I agree, but there was also no excuse to wait until now for these reasons either.
But the truth of the matter is, I’d probably take it if it’s available. I had a hell of a reaction to my second Moderna dose, but I’d take another 36 hours of fever and muscle pain to avoid covid.
On that note, I hope you and your family feel better soon JayhawkGirl . I feel like I hear about breakthrough cases (mostly on here but sometimes IRL) pretty regularly these days.
Me too. But then I tell myself that given NYC's latest breakthrough numbers, I shouldn't be surprised either. As of mid-June, only 0.12% of fully vaccinated NYC residents tested positive in 2021 - about 5,800 breakthrough cases. Even if that number has increased due to the more recent Delta surge, let's say it's grown exponentially to 1% of FV residents testing positive. In NYC, that would be about 44,000 residents out of 4.4 million fully vaccinated. 44,000 is still *a lot* of people even if the overall percentage is extremely low.
I am also interested in seeing breakthrough case percentages around the country. Like, are, say, 2% of FV Missouri residents testing positive but only 0.1% of FV Vermont residents because there's a lot more virus circulating in Missouri versus Vermont? I haven't seen anything about this yet.
But the truth of the matter is, I’d probably take it if it’s available. I had a hell of a reaction to my second Moderna dose, but I’d take another 36 hours of fever and muscle pain to avoid covid.
On that note, I hope you and your family feel better soon JayhawkGirl . I feel like I hear about breakthrough cases (mostly on here but sometimes IRL) pretty regularly these days.
Me too. But then I tell myself that given NYC's latest breakthrough numbers, I shouldn't be surprised either. As of mid-June, only 0.12% of fully vaccinated NYC residents tested positive in 2021 - about 5,800 breakthrough cases. Even if that number has increased due to the more recent Delta surge, let's say it's grown exponentially to 1% of FV residents testing positive. In NYC, that would be about 44,000 residents out of 4.4 million fully vaccinated. 44,000 is still *a lot* of people even if the overall percentage is extremely low.
I am also interested in seeing breakthrough case percentages around the country. Like, are, say, 2% of FV Missouri residents testing positive but only 0.1% of FV Vermont residents because there's a lot more virus circulating in Missouri versus Vermont? I haven't seen anything about this yet.
I wonder how many of those people got the J&J vaccine vs. one of the others.
Me too. But then I tell myself that given NYC's latest breakthrough numbers, I shouldn't be surprised either. As of mid-June, only 0.12% of fully vaccinated NYC residents tested positive in 2021 - about 5,800 breakthrough cases. Even if that number has increased due to the more recent Delta surge, let's say it's grown exponentially to 1% of FV residents testing positive. In NYC, that would be about 44,000 residents out of 4.4 million fully vaccinated. 44,000 is still *a lot* of people even if the overall percentage is extremely low.
I am also interested in seeing breakthrough case percentages around the country. Like, are, say, 2% of FV Missouri residents testing positive but only 0.1% of FV Vermont residents because there's a lot more virus circulating in Missouri versus Vermont? I haven't seen anything about this yet.
I wonder how many of those people got the J&J vaccine vs. one of the others.
Yeah, that concerns me too. The only people I personally know who had breakthrough cases got one of the two-dose shots. My brother and his girlfriend got J&J mostly because they only wanted one shot so I'm curious if they'll end up getting boosters soon.
wildrice, that OTC rapid test is like $25 and you get two in the package, if you can find them locally. I picked up a box to have on-hand for situations like yours. My grocery store's pharmacy had them.
FYI, though, if you dig into the data that's available on its accuracy, you find that -- just like the rapid tests you get from a doctor -- the OTC rapid test is most likely to pick up a positive if you are 1) symptomatic and 2) you are on something like days 5-8 post-exposure.
It is very unlikely to give you a false positive. It is somewhat likely to give you a false negative, which is an issue with the rapid tests no matter what.
Post by One Girl In All The World on Jul 21, 2021 17:34:25 GMT -5
Re: boosters and J&J. I’ve been seeing my allergist/immunologist for two + decades now and trust his opinion on literally everything more than most other practitioners I’ve met. I just sent him an email through their portal (which I have never ever done) to ask if I should get an MRNA shot because I had J&J in March.
ETA: I emailed because if I call for a non-urgent appt I won’t get in for 6-12 weeks at best.
Sometimes I wonder what it must be like to truly not understand facts and logic. Unless he’s just being a contrarian and really DOES understand, but won’t admit it.
He has a phD and is a professor but thinks big science/media is conspiring to suppress the truth
One of the doctors I work with doesn’t believe covid is a thing. As in he thinks it’s a virus but not as bad as people are making it seem and other bullshit I don’t care to listen to. He is an ICU doctor….treating covid patients….🤯🤯
Anecdotes, but the two people I know personally who got breakthrough cases were middle aged and had J&J.
I know someone at Moderna and she said the protection is highly correlated to age so she is more concerned about breakthrough cases and boosters for the elderly.
He has a phD and is a professor but thinks big science/media is conspiring to suppress the truth
One of the doctors I work with doesn’t believe covid is a thing. As in he thinks it’s a virus but not as bad as people are making it seem and other bullshit I don’t care to listen to. He is an ICU doctor….treating covid patients….🤯🤯
How? I just don't get how someone who is an ICU doctor treating patients could ever, ever, ever think that.
Re: boosters and J&J. I’ve been seeing my allergist/immunologist for two + decades now and trust his opinion on literally everything more than most other practitioners I’ve met. I just sent him an email through their portal (which I have never ever done) to ask if I should get an MRNA shot because I had J&J in March.
ETA: I emailed because if I call for a non-urgent appt I won’t get in for 6-12 weeks at best.
If you’re comfortable would you post his recommendation? I’ve had a lot of relatives asking me if I’ve considered trying to get an mRNA booster, but I don’t know how easy they are to obtain outside physician approval. I guess it depends on how well organize state registry is? I’m kind of frustrated because I realize that my vaccine will likely do what it’s meant to do, limit any infection to mild symptoms and neutralizing antibodies are only one small part of your immune system. But I’m very concerned about asymptomatically transmitting it to people not yet eligible for the vaccines, and the mRNA vaccines have way more data there on limiting infectiousness.
One of the doctors I work with doesn’t believe covid is a thing. As in he thinks it’s a virus but not as bad as people are making it seem and other bullshit I don’t care to listen to. He is an ICU doctor….treating covid patients….🤯🤯
How? I just don't get how someone who is an ICU doctor treating patients could ever, ever, ever think that.
Well he also thinks the world is flat and the rapture is legit about to come so…… If you get trapped in a room placing lines with him it’s awful. He will make you listen to all his bullshit for the entire time. I felt so bad a couple months ago when I had 3 students with me and they had to listen to it. 😬
Dose of exposure appears to matter (so if you are FV in, say, Missouri and have a breakthrough case, you'll probably feel worse symptoms than an FV person with a case in Vermont).
And while we figured this, there will be more breakthrough cases as infections rise. But the risk of hospitalization and death remains overwhelmingly small. The piece discussed the outbreak in Provincetown, MA, which has ended up spreading around the country because it occurred during their 4th of July celebrations with people who traveled there specifically for the celebrations. 2/3 of the cases are among FV people, but it's MA and the people who flew there were most likely overwhelmingly vaccinated, so it is not surprising to see more vaccinated people infected. I'm realizing that kind of information (how many of the total cases are among UV vs. FV) will eventually not tell us anything useful - I think it's far more useful to do the math to figure out how many FV get infected, get hospitalized and die and make the same calculations with UV people, and *then* compare those figures to show that UV people continue to be at higher risk of all three.
I thought this part was really really interesting too, which actually kind of bums me out if this means that quarantine for Delta may need to be longer (or at least reduces the chances of reducing quarantines - I assumed with earlier symptoms, Delta could allow for shorter quarantines):
Additional data is emerging from the Covid-19 Sports and Society Workgroup, a coalition of professional sports leagues that is working closely with the C.D.C. Sports teams in the group are testing more than 10,000 people at least daily and sequencing all infections, according to Dr. Robby Sikka, a physician who worked with the N.B.A.’s Minnesota Timberwolves.
Breakthrough infections in the leagues seem to be more common with the Delta variant than with Alpha, the variant first identified in Britain, he said. As would be predicted, the vaccines cut down the severity and duration of illness significantly, with players returning less than two weeks after becoming infected, compared with nearly three weeks earlier in the pandemic.
But while they are ill, the players carry very high amounts of virus for seven to 10 days, compared with two or three days in those infected with Alpha, Dr. Sikka said. Infected players are required to quarantine, so the project has not been able to track whether they spread the virus to others — but it’s likely that they would, he added.
“If they’re put just willy-nilly back into society, I think you’re going to have spread from vaccinated individuals,” he added. “They don’t even recognize they have Covid because they think they’re vaccinated.”
I'm flying to visit my BFF a month from today. She might still be immunocompromised because she'll just have finished radiation. Because of delta, I plan on wearing a mask when I'm out in public until I leave. I bought face shields at Costco yesterday for the flight.
Would it be wise to isolate for 10-14 days before I leave? Or is that paranoid? I'm fully vaccinated with Pfizer.
He has a phD and is a professor but thinks big science/media is conspiring to suppress the truth
One of the doctors I work with doesn’t believe covid is a thing. As in he thinks it’s a virus but not as bad as people are making it seem and other bullshit I don’t care to listen to. He is an ICU doctor….treating covid patients….🤯🤯
So he thinks they're faking it? Sick with something else?
One of the doctors I work with doesn’t believe covid is a thing. As in he thinks it’s a virus but not as bad as people are making it seem and other bullshit I don’t care to listen to. He is an ICU doctor….treating covid patients….🤯🤯
So he thinks they're faking it? Sick with something else?
That they’re sick but it’s just a normal virus or something. I honestly don’t understand how he rationalizes it because he goes in circles and then goes off on the vaccines and 5G and the rapture and and and and 🤯🤦♀️
I'm flying to visit my BFF a month from today. She might still be immunocompromised because she'll just have finished radiation. Because of delta, I plan on wearing a mask when I'm out in public until I leave. I bought face shields at Costco yesterday for the flight.
Would it be wise to isolate for 10-14 days before I leave? Or is that paranoid? I'm fully vaccinated with Pfizer.
Definitely protect her in any way that you can, if she had chemo before radiation she's most likely immunocompromised.