Per Dr. Jha, it’s more contagious than Ebola, Spanish Flu, and chicken pox. But, vaccines are still very very effective.
I started to feel uneasy about delta when I read of transmission that occurred in Australia at a store. Someone WALKED BY an infected person for just a few seconds and they determined that’s how that person got infected (I’m assuming no masks, but wtf).
Do we need better masks in the meantime?
I’m just getting angry at everything at this point. Also, as I followed CDC rec & got the first shot available to me-JnJ-I am not really comforted or encouraged by analysis of risk completely ignoring the vaccine I received. And I’m angry that I’m blocked from getting a booster of any kind even if I want to fully bear that risk for myself.
Ive done the right thing my entire life, which is often the less fun & more painful thing. I’m tired of paying for others poor decisions. And I’m feeling just really defeated.
Same! Where is the data on getting a booster of something else? I want Pfizer or moderna now.
We were given 3 vaccines to save us. Three like a miracle.
And adults won't freaking take them. I'm done with making this a choice. Mandate the hell out of it. That's starting to happen and I am here for it.
Also yes Fuck Trump. Forever. For good measure I would like throw in a Fuck Abbott, too, who doubled down yesterday on his "individual responsibility" yesterday. Sure that's working great. Just look at the hospitals.
Blaming the 612000 for their own deaths, then. Awesome.
Post by Velar Fricative on Jul 30, 2021 7:42:20 GMT -5
This was all spurred by the outbreak in Provincetown, MA over 4th of July weekend. 800+ people infected, three-quarters vaccinated, 7 hospitalized. But, I am sure the numbers would be far worse if mostly unvaccinated.
This was all spurred by the outbreak in Provincetown, MA over 4th of July weekend. 800+ people infected, three-quarters vaccinated, 7 hospitalized. But, I am sure the numbers would be far worse if mostly unvaccinated.
This was all spurred by the outbreak in Provincetown, MA over 4th of July weekend. 800+ people infected, three-quarters vaccinated, 7 hospitalized. But, I am sure the numbers would be far worse if mostly unvaccinated.
I know that in absolute terms these are still really good numbers for vaccines, but I have mixed feelings about the info from the CDC slide deck that the Pfizer (and Moderna, I think?) are looking at like 85%-ish efficacy in preventing symptomatic covid after 4-6 months. Especially when I also read this last night, from a study conducted before Delta dominated. Sigh.
Per Dr. Jha, it’s more contagious than Ebola, Spanish Flu, and chicken pox. But, vaccines are still very very effective.
I started to feel uneasy about delta when I read of transmission that occurred in Australia at a store. Someone WALKED BY an infected person for just a few seconds and they determined that’s how that person got infected (I’m assuming no masks, but wtf).
Do we need better masks in the meantime?
I’m just getting angry at everything at this point. Also, as I followed CDC rec & got the first shot available to me-JnJ-I am not really comforted or encouraged by analysis of risk completely ignoring the vaccine I received. And I’m angry that I’m blocked from getting a booster of any kind even if I want to fully bear that risk for myself.
Ive done the right thing my entire life, which is often the less fun & more painful thing. I’m tired of paying for others poor decisions. And I’m feeling just really defeated.
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania prioritized specific classes of essential workers as first priority for the vaccines, and then gave many of the workers in these specific classes J&J vaccines.
I am interested in whether the commonwealth now has concerns about doing this, and also if they have any plans to address any concerns about this. However, nothing has been said in our local news media about this.
The article is not clear with whether those hospitalized were vaccinated or not.
Good point. I ASSumed it was still talking about the vaccinated population but you're right, it's not super clear.
I personally know someone who had covid, got vaccinated (AZ in trials), and caught delta in Ptown as part of this outbreak. Norovirus like symptoms for him, and others he knows.
I still can’t believe we are in this position. I didn’t think we would be at this point in the summer of 2021. I was Zooming with some friends and we were having the exact same conversation about COVID that we had last year and I just had to stop and be like WTF are we still in the same boat as last year. Yes, we are vaccinated but vaccines for the general public arrived later to Europe. My family in the States got vaccinated in the winter so they were living their best lives in the spring when it seemed that there was a light at the end of the tunnel but most people where I live didn’t have the option to vaccinate until end of May/June. So we watched the Delta variant go crazy in the UK and we knew that it would reach other parts of Europe within weeks.
I am glad people had the chance to vaccinate and most people still decided to take regular holidays this year but it is crazy to see the numbers increase.
If your family in the states got vaccinated last winter, they were extraordinarily luckily. Most people in the states weren't as fortunate as your family. I have a medical condition that makes me more likely to have a poor outcome from Covid, and I wasn't able to receive my two shots until the first and fourth week of April because Pennsylvania had such a scarcity of shots until April. I had to miss out on all of the big Easter traditions this year because I wasn't one of the "elite few" who received winter vaccinations.
I keep seeing this information: "The Delta variant is more transmissible than the viruses that cause MERS, SARS, Ebola, the common cold, the seasonal flu and smallpox, and it is as contagious as chickenpox, according to the document, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times." But what does it mean exactly to say that it is as contagious as chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid but I don't remember much, and vaccines came about not long after that, so I don't have any memories of chickenpox outbreaks. I get that it means it's really contagious, but the comparison isn't giving me much meaning.
But what does it mean exactly to say that it is as contagious as chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid but I don't remember much, and vaccines came about not long after that, so I don't have any memories of chickenpox outbreaks. I get that it means it's really contagious, but the comparison isn't giving me much meaning.
This comment really rocked me.
Holy shit, we really did almost completely eradicate a disease in my lifetime.
I remember a chicken pox outbreak in the early 80s. Literally every kid (except me) on my street got it along with my dance class and Girl Scout troop. A girl on the corner was patient zero and the link. My mom kept waiting for me to get it but I never did. I test positive for immunity though so she’s thinking I had a super mild case had no one knew. Or asymptotic chicken pox was a thing.
If Delta is as contagious as chicken pox then it’s going to rip through everyone not vaccinated.
ETA: ugh, thanks for the @ tag pixy. Sorry I’m not thinking straight.
But what does it mean exactly to say that it is as contagious as chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid but I don't remember much, and vaccines came about not long after that, so I don't have any memories of chickenpox outbreaks. I get that it means it's really contagious, but the comparison isn't giving me much meaning.
This comment really rocked me.
Holy shit, we really did almost completely eradicate a disease in my lifetime.
I've had family members who weren't around in the time of chicken pox parties and the like ask me how I got a chicken pox scar on my face.
What do you mean you don't know what a chicken pox scar looks like? Mind-blowing.
But what does it mean exactly to say that it is as contagious as chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid but I don't remember much, and vaccines came about not long after that, so I don't have any memories of chickenpox outbreaks. I get that it means it's really contagious, but the comparison isn't giving me much meaning.
This comment really rocked me.
Holy shit, we really did almost completely eradicate a disease in my lifetime.
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charlatti The vaccine didn’t come out until I was an adult, so I remember the outbreaks. In fourth grade, there were about 25 kids in my class and only like 5 of us didn’t get it. There were a few days that there were only us five in the classroom and the teacher had to send packets to the office for parents of the kids with chicken pox to pick up. Then it moved to another classroom when a sibling of someone in my class got it. Same thing - majority of the class was out. It was just something we dealt with. But with chicken pox, unlike Covid, most of our parents had had it as a kid, and it was known that it was very rare to get it again, so the worry of bringing it home or parents having to figure out how to care for their sick kid and not get infected wasn’t there. It also rarely ended with a hospital stay, so the issue we have now of over burdening hospitals wasn’t a thing. And there was no question about “long Chicken Pox”. The most common long term effect was scars. I still have a few. I think what’s worrisome to me about the idea that it spreads as fast as chicken pox is remembering 20 kids in my class being out with it. If 20 kids in a class got Covid and they brought it home to anti-vaccine parents or family members who can’t be vaccinated (too young or medical reasons), we will have a huge outbreak again.
We have almost eradicated chicken pox, which is great, but it’s not gone. My oldest son got it a week before he was old enough to get the vaccine. The doctor was shocked, but said that while rare the virus is still out there and it will find a host. Covid will always be out there and find a host. So the more people we can protect through vaccines or masking or a combo or whatever to minimize the “hosts” the less spread we will see. Chicken pox is a great example of that in action that most adults alive today have seen and lived through.
I keep seeing this information: "The Delta variant is more transmissible than the viruses that cause MERS, SARS, Ebola, the common cold, the seasonal flu and smallpox, and it is as contagious as chickenpox, according to the document, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times." But what does it mean exactly to say that it is as contagious as chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid but I don't remember much, and vaccines came about not long after that, so I don't have any memories of chickenpox outbreaks. I get that it means it's really contagious, but the comparison isn't giving me much meaning.
The r0 (“r-naught”) of chickenpox is 10-12. That means for every one person infected, they will likely spread it to an average of 10-12 more people. The first Covid strain from Wuhan had an r0 of 2.4-2.6. Alpha, 4-5. The last I had seen for delta was 5-8, which was bad, but bumping to chickenpox level is worse than even the estimated 5-8. Measles is 18, fwiw.
Yesterday my coworker asked if I thought work would reinstate the masks in the office rule. I said I didn't think so since they are requiring everyone to get vaccinated and have everyone documenting their status.
Late last night they sent an email saying that they're required again effective today. Our entire state is moderate so not even part of the CDC recommendation but it's understandable. Work has been very cautious this whole time, which I am fine with.
It's not as bad for me since I have my own office and can take it off when alone but the rest of my team are back to all day masking.
MH is a plumber and they reinstated masking rules this week too, including/especially while in customer's homes. They're also strongly encouraging vaccination and said they might start teaming up plumbers and apprentices based on their status.
I’m just getting angry at everything at this point. Also, as I followed CDC rec & got the first shot available to me-JnJ-I am not really comforted or encouraged by analysis of risk completely ignoring the vaccine I received. And I’m angry that I’m blocked from getting a booster of any kind even if I want to fully bear that risk for myself.
Ive done the right thing my entire life, which is often the less fun & more painful thing. I’m tired of paying for others poor decisions. And I’m feeling just really defeated.
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania prioritized specific classes of essential workers as first priority for the vaccines, and then gave many of the workers in these specific classes J&J vaccines.
I am interested in whether the commonwealth now has concerns about doing this, and also if they have any plans to address any concerns about this. However, nothing has been said in our local news media about this.
I keep on wondering if the timing of healthcare worker vaccinations is going to lead to a spike in infections at some point in the near future due to the lack of boosters (above what we're seeing with Delta right now). Could lead to a lot of staffing issues, in addition to the health concerns, which would compound things.
MH got his second shot in January and is really getting nervous about the lack of boosters.
Since it seems to be covid panic day, my latest worry: since vaccinated people are getting infected, that seems like it will provide lots of opportunity for the virus to mutate and evolve (more) resistance to the vaccine.
But in terms of the new data, it mostly makes me more worried about the large swaths of the world that have insufficient access to vaccines still. Lots of vulnerable people who would jump at the chance to be vaccinated.
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania prioritized specific classes of essential workers as first priority for the vaccines, and then gave many of the workers in these specific classes J&J vaccines.
I am interested in whether the commonwealth now has concerns about doing this, and also if they have any plans to address any concerns about this. However, nothing has been said in our local news media about this.
I keep on wondering if the timing of healthcare worker vaccinations is going to lead to a spike in infections at some point in the near future due to the lack of boosters (above what we're seeing with Delta right now). Could lead to a lot of staffing issues, in addition to the health concerns, which would compound things.
MH got his second shot in January and is really getting nervous about the lack of boosters.
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As a nurse who got my 2nd shot in the beginning of January, I’m getting nervous again, too. Especially because my hospital doesn’t preemptively test for COVID anymore during the admission process. And they allow more visitors these days. I’m in close contact with pts and their families for 2+ hrs at a time. I’m feeling more and more like it’s inevitable that I’m going to get it and bring it home to my unvaccinated @ young kids. It bums me out to have to be anxious about it again.
Well, it has started. My work has reinstated masking for all in person employees and closed the cafeteria again. These precautions were dropped about 2 months ago. They had also planned to start bringing back the office workers in August but they are delaying it again. The only people on site are those that have to be to perform their jobs (eg. lab and manufacturing workers). I can't believe we are going backwards, it is making me so anxious and depressed.
@@@ I had chicken pox in 5th grade. My brother who was in HS hadn't had it yet and I remember my mom being happy when I spread it to him, LOL. Chicken pox parties were definitely a thing. It is so weird to think that it is gone now. My parents both have big scars on their arms from where they got the small pox vaccine when they were growing up in India. I can't even imagine being so privileged to reject a vaccine for a life threatening disease. Add me to the vaxxed people who are starting to get really, really angry at the unvaccinated (by choice).
Well, it has started. My work has reinstated masking for all in person employees and closed the cafeteria again. These precautions were dropped about 2 months ago. They had also planned to start bringing back the office workers in August but they are delaying it again. The only people on site are those that have to be to perform their jobs (eg. lab and manufacturing workers). I can't believe we are going backwards, it is making me so anxious and depressed.
I'm waiting for a similar announcement, but our return date is in September, so maybe they'll take their time.
Are you all wearing N95s/KN95s? I'm still wearing Old Navy masks. I'm not out and about much, but that's what I wear when I am, and I feel like I see many more cloth masks than anything else. I've had lingering skeptical feelings about KN95s. How do I know I'm not buying inauthentic junk and that they'll fit?
Well, it has started. My work has reinstated masking for all in person employees and closed the cafeteria again. These precautions were dropped about 2 months ago. They had also planned to start bringing back the office workers in August but they are delaying it again. The only people on site are those that have to be to perform their jobs (eg. lab and manufacturing workers). I can't believe we are going backwards, it is making me so anxious and depressed.
I'm waiting for a similar announcement, but our return date is in September, so maybe they'll take their time.
Are you all wearing N95s/KN95s? I'm still wearing Old Navy masks. I'm not out and about much, but that's what I wear when I am, and I feel like I see many more cloth masks than anything else. I've had lingering skeptical feelings about KN95s. How do I know I'm not buying inauthentic junk and that they'll fit?
Blah. I'm so over this.
I'm wearing cloth masks. If we move to high transmission, or I find myself having to be in a meeting with a bunch of people I'll move to a more substantial mask for the duration.
But what does it mean exactly to say that it is as contagious as chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid but I don't remember much, and vaccines came about not long after that, so I don't have any memories of chickenpox outbreaks. I get that it means it's really contagious, but the comparison isn't giving me much meaning.
This comment really rocked me.
Holy shit, we really did almost completely eradicate a disease in my lifetime.
I had to Google the history. Vax was approved in 1995, same year I graduated HS, so apparently my memory is just bad.
I emailed our HR yesterday asking if there’s been any discussion of delaying our full reentry that’s planned for right after Labor Day. Currently it’s voluntary only open to vaccinated employees.
I keep on wondering if the timing of healthcare worker vaccinations is going to lead to a spike in infections at some point in the near future due to the lack of boosters (above what we're seeing with Delta right now). Could lead to a lot of staffing issues, in addition to the health concerns, which would compound things.
MH got his second shot in January and is really getting nervous about the lack of boosters.
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As a nurse who got my 2nd shot in the beginning of January, I’m getting nervous again, too. Especially because my hospital doesn’t preemptively test for COVID anymore during the admission process. And they allow more visitors these days. I’m in close contact with pts and their families for 2+ hrs at a time. I’m feeling more and more like it’s inevitable that I’m going to get it and bring it home to my unvaccinated @ young kids. It bums me out to have to be anxious about it again.
I saw a report that getting a third dose of the Pfizer vaccine greatly increased resistance to the Delta variant. I'm thinking of going to Walgreens or the county health department to get another dose.
Post by notsopicky on Jul 30, 2021 11:49:49 GMT -5
I have to get a mammogram today, put off from spring 2020. I have cloth masks (I left my bag of KN95s at work), but the hospital has disposables available right as you come off the elevators from the parking garage, so I am going to pick up one and put it on underneath my cloth mask.
Send good vibes for me, GBCN friends; I'm anxious about it all.
Pilsy I’ve been double masking (cloth + surgical), tucking and tying a surgical, or wearing a kn95 (or leftover n95) for anything indoors. I rewear the kn95s and n95s if they aren’t visibly soiled or damaged since they’re $$$.