yup. this is so far off my radar of caring one iota.
(also lol at bathing my 4 year old daily. In the spring I have to most days because he comes home head to toe in mud and dirt and it kills me, lol. #lazy)
Same. My DS(5) loves to play in dirt and mud with his construction vehicles. It's his #1 favorite outdoor activity and has been since he was 15 months old.
Idk, it seemed like whatever happened to her in her childhood influenced her beliefs about bathing and she is owning it bc she told the story about it.
I don’t want to go around in circles but she said she didn’t bathe often as a child because she couldn’t. She could have, they just apparently chose not to.
Owning it would be saying that you don’t feel bathing is important so you don’t do it. That’s basically what her husband has done. He didn’t make excuses for not showering after a work out and says you only need to wash when visibly dirty.
This is a very boot-strappy way of looking at things.
Extra steps mean extra effort, which means you may not do something as regularly as someone who has easier access.
I don’t want to go around in circles but she said she didn’t bathe often as a child because she couldn’t. She could have, they just apparently chose not to.
Owning it would be saying that you don’t feel bathing is important so you don’t do it. That’s basically what her husband has done. He didn’t make excuses for not showering after a work out and says you only need to wash when visibly dirty.
This is a very boot-strappy way of looking at things.
Extra steps mean extra effort, which means you may not do something as regularly as someone who has easier access.
It is true there is an extra step in areas where there is no running hot water but people routinely take that step to clean themselves and practice basic hygiene.
People in this situation boil water for cleaning and dish washing multiple times a day so it isn’t the unusual chore it would be for someone who is used to running hot water. It’s just part of your every day life.
I’ve also said multiple times it’s possible she is misremembering her very early childhood.
This is a very boot-strappy way of looking at things.
Extra steps mean extra effort, which means you may not do something as regularly as someone who has easier access.
It is true there is an extra step in areas where there is no running hot water but people routinely take that step to clean themselves and practice basic hygiene.
People in this situation boil water for cleaning and dish washing multiple times a day so it isn’t the unusual chore it would be for someone who is used to running hot water. It’s just part of your every day life.
I have family who has no running hot water. They do not heat up water multiple times a day and do not bathe daily due to the effort required. When they do heat up water it’s like a tea kettle’s worth - not a bathtub’s worth. In the summer they use a solar shower but that is not possible all year round.
Lots of things are harder and take more time when you do not have access to hot water (running water) in your home. I think you are simplifying this whole situation a great deal and really digging in your heels about something that seems silly.
It is true there is an extra step in areas where there is no running hot water but people routinely take that step to clean themselves and practice basic hygiene.
People in this situation boil water for cleaning and dish washing multiple times a day so it isn’t the unusual chore it would be for someone who is used to running hot water. It’s just part of your every day life.
I have family who has no running hot water. They do not heat up water multiple times a day and do not bathe daily due to the effort required. When they do heat up water it’s like a tea kettle’s worth - not a bathtub’s worth. In the summer they use a solar shower but that is not possible all year round.
Lots of things are harder and take more time when you do not have access to hot water (running water) in your home. I think you are simplifying this whole situation a great deal and really digging in your heels about something that seems silly.
Yet you keep responding to me about it.
It is routine to heat water to wash yourself and dishes in places that don’t have hot running water. I’m sure some people (like these millionaires) chose not to wash dishes or clean themselves regularly whether they have hot running water or not.
You don’t fill an entire tub with boiling water to bathe. You add a kettle or two to cool water in a tub or large basin. As I said, I’ve done it myself many times. It does not take much more time for water to boil in a kettle than it takes for an older or large water heater to heat the water when drawing a bath or hand washing dishes.
It is true there is an extra step in areas where there is no running hot water but people routinely take that step to clean themselves and practice basic hygiene.
People in this situation boil water for cleaning and dish washing multiple times a day so it isn’t the unusual chore it would be for someone who is used to running hot water. It’s just part of your every day life.
I have family who has no running hot water. They do not heat up water multiple times a day and do not bathe daily due to the effort required. When they do heat up water it’s like a tea kettle’s worth - not a bathtub’s worth. In the summer they use a solar shower but that is not possible all year round.
Lots of things are harder and take more time when you do not have access to hot water (running water) in your home. I think you are simplifying this whole situation a great deal and really digging in your heels about something that seems silly.
Yet you keep responding to me about it.
It is routine to heat water to wash yourself and dishes in places that don’t have hot running water. I’m sure some people (like these millionaires) chose not to wash dishes or clean themselves regularly whether they have hot running water or not.
You don’t fill an entire tub with boiling water to bathe. You add a kettle or two to cool water in a tub or large basin. As I said, I’ve done it myself many times. It does not take much more time for water to boil in a kettle than it takes for an older or large water heater to heat the water when drawing a bath or hand washing dishes.
DD has to bathe at least every other day or she is RIPE (but - product rave here - Lume deodorant works like a charm!!). She's 9 and hitting some hormonal milestones, so we try to make sure she's getting washed at least that often. DS can go a few days, but he is still getting the hang of wiping and sometimes the odor gets offensive and we make him shower more often.
I think as long as they are washing their hands after they use the bathroom and stuff, it's fine.
The fact that they decided to put this out there like it was some sort of important thing is something else, though.
they....didnt'? they were on a random famous person chatting about shit podcast and the topic came up. It's not like they took out a press release.
DD has to bathe at least every other day or she is RIPE (but - product rave here - Lume deodorant works like a charm!!). She's 9 and hitting some hormonal milestones, so we try to make sure she's getting washed at least that often. DS can go a few days, but he is still getting the hang of wiping and sometimes the odor gets offensive and we make him shower more often.
I think as long as they are washing their hands after they use the bathroom and stuff, it's fine.
The fact that they decided to put this out there like it was some sort of important thing is something else, though.
they....didnt'? they were on a random famous person chatting about shit podcast and the topic came up. It's not like they took out a press release.
Fair enough - I meant 'they' in terms of those sources picking it up and blasting it around like it's news.
Do people feel like others need to bathe even if they’re not visibly dirty and don’t smell bad? Not you personally, and your own comfort level, but other people. Do you judge them even if you wouldn’t know unless they told you?
Post by amberlyrose on Jul 29, 2021 14:50:53 GMT -5
I can't get over the "but they are millionaires! they have access and can bathe daily!" argument. Should they only use a fancy dishwasher instead of hand cleaning dishes? Or only buy high end groceries? lol.
Do people feel like others need to bathe even if they’re not visibly dirty and don’t smell bad? Not you personally, and your own comfort level, but other people. Do you judge them even if you wouldn’t know unless they told you?
Just to add onto this thought:
If you were doing a habit and didn't find it problematic at all and then didn't discuss it with anyone, b/c you didn't need to b/c (cyclically it wasn't problematic and you didn't find it weird) Then why in the fresh hell would you change it either? It would be like you had on blinders.
In my family we grew up eating chicken giblets--like the heart and liver etc. They are really good and I did it with my dad. My dad and I also ate braunscwheiger sandwiches together. I'm positive that some people find these two things absolutely disgusting. However I have fond memories of bonding with my dad and also I only started thinking it was maybe kind of weird or strange when some asshole kid at school made "fun" of me for doing so--and guess what. I stopped doing it--and the fun times with my dad also stopped :/
I'd guess that Mila Kunis never started showering at the set or changed or habits and now bathes her kids the same way--b/c to your point she didn't share them growing up and it was never pointed out to her by some asshole "OMG THATS DISGUSTING"
Do people feel like others need to bathe even if they’re not visibly dirty and don’t smell bad? Not you personally, and your own comfort level, but other people. Do you judge them even if you wouldn’t know unless they told you?
There is no way people around Ashton don’t know he doesn’t bathe. He says he doesn’t shower after a workout and just splashes some water on his face. He’s a grown man who went through puberty decades ago .
I think people get used to their own natural smell and don’t realize how other people can notice when they aren’t clean. I’ve never been surprised when people “reveal” that they don’t bathe regularly. Maybe some people can’t smell very well? Don’t notice greasy hair and ashy skin?
Unless you were gardening or playing in the mud, if there is visible dirt building up on your body, you are already past the point of needing a bath.
Wallow in filth at home all you want but when you are around other people and have the means, it’s only polite to be clean. These are people who have jobs where other people have to be in close physical contact with them regularly. Why put them in the position of having to tell you that you stink when you can just do the bare minimum and clean yourself? It’s bizarrely entitled.
They don't say how often they bathe their kids, just that it's not a regular schedule and they bathe them when dirt is visible. That could be every other day or every 3rd day. Kids who are 6 and 4 get dirty pretty quickly, especially if they play outside. If they aren't playing outside or getting dirty, at that age they probably don't smell bad or look disheveled. I'd be a bit more surprised if they said "we only bathe our kids once or twice a month" or something like that. Their approach does not seem unusual to me.
They don't say how often they bathe their kids, just that it's not a regular schedule and they bathe them when dirt is visible. That could be every other day or every 3rd day. Kids who are 6 and 4 get dirty pretty quickly, especially if they play outside. If they aren't playing outside or getting dirty, at that age they probably don't smell bad or look disheveled. I'd be a bit more surprised if they said "we only bathe our kids once or twice a month" or something like that. Their approach does not seem unusual to me.
I don’t see a huge issue with the kids, maybe they don’t leave the house or get dirty.
But the adults have been through puberty and regularly work out without showering. They aren’t made of plastic. Washing your face isn’t cutting it anymore.
There is no way people around Ashton don’t know he doesn’t bathe. He says he doesn’t shower after a workout and just splashes some water on his face.
I think people get used to their own natural smell and don’t realize how other people can notice when they aren’t clean. I’ve never been surprised when people “reveal” that they don’t bathe regularly. Maybe some people can’t smell very well? Don’t notice greasy hair and ashy skin?
Unless you were gardening or playing in the mud, if there is visible dirt building up on your body, you are already past the point of needing a bath.
Wallow in filth at home all you want but when you are around other people and have the means, it’s only polite to be clean. These are people who have jobs where other people have to be in close physical contact with them regularly. Why put them in the position of having to tell you that you stink when you can just do the bare minimum and clean yourself? It’s bizarrely entitled.
Maybe it's bizarrely entitled to think that your own comfort trumps what anyone else does with their body.
They are putting people who rely on them for their livelihood in the position of having to tell them they stink/are dirty or deal with it. That’s not okay and is some sort of warped kind of privilege/entitlement.
I think we all do things like wear clothes and shoes, wash our hands, brush our teeth, bathe, wear masks during pandemics, that we might personally not find comfortable or enjoy but we do them because it’s part of the social contract and living in modern society. Opting out by choice puts a burden on other people that they don’t need to have.
Do people feel like others need to bathe even if they’re not visibly dirty and don’t smell bad? Not you personally, and your own comfort level, but other people. Do you judge them even if you wouldn’t know unless they told you?
Just to add onto this thought:
If you were doing a habit and didn't find it problematic at all and then didn't discuss it with anyone, b/c you didn't need to b/c (cyclically it wasn't problematic and you didn't find it weird) Then why in the fresh hell would you change it either? It would be like you had on blinders.
In my family we grew up eating chicken giblets--like the heart and liver etc. They are really good and I did it with my dad. My dad and I also ate braunscwheiger sandwiches together. I'm positive that some people find these two things absolutely disgusting. However I have fond memories of bonding with my dad and also I only started thinking it was maybe kind of weird or strange when some asshole kid at school made "fun" of me for doing so--and guess what. I stopped doing it--and the fun times with my dad also stopped :/
I'd guess that Mila Kunis never started showering at the set or changed or habits and now bathes her kids the same way--b/c to your point she didn't share them growing up and it was never pointed out to her by some asshole "OMG THATS DISGUSTING"
Mmmm, braunschweiger... I grew up eating it spread on Saltines with mayo with my mom.
They are putting people who rely on them for their livelihood in the position of having to tell them they stink/are dirty or deal with it. That’s not okay and is some sort of warped kind of privilege/entitlement.
I think we all do things like wear clothes and shoes, wash our hands, brush our teeth, bathe, wear masks during pandemics, that we might personally not find comfortable or enjoy but we do them because it’s part of the social contract and living in modern society. Opting out by choice puts a burden on other people that they don’t need to have.
Maybe they don’t stink, though. They always look good.
I am a daily bather, but I do know someone who does not bathe regularly, at all. He never smells or looks greasy. I don’t know if people’s body chemistry adjusts or what. It was shocking to learn b/c he does not smell or look dirty.
Ashton Kutcher (and Dax Shepard, who he was talking to and is also an apparent non-bather) look like they reek in pretty much every candid shot I’ve ever seen.
I’m sure there are some unicorns out there who are fresh as a daisy 24/7 without ever touching a drop of water or soap.
Maybe it's bizarrely entitled to think that your own comfort trumps what anyone else does with their body.
They are putting people who rely on them for their livelihood in the position of having to tell them they stink/are dirty or deal with it. That’s not okay and is some sort of warped kind of privilege/entitlement.
I think we all do things like wear clothes and shoes, wash our hands, brush our teeth, bathe, wear masks during pandemics, that we might personally not find comfortable or enjoy but we do them because it’s part of the social contract and living in modern society. Opting out by choice puts a burden on other people that they don’t need to have.
What the actual fuck? Lol! Keep digging, I want to see how bad this gets.
On top of that, while we may think daily showers are protecting us from letting the world's germs fester on us, it has the opposite effect. Showering can increase chances of contracting illness because it allows skin to dry up, making you more susceptible to cracked skin and bacteria making its way in your system. The experts say in terms of your health, washing your hands frequently should do the trick of protecting you from disease.
Maybe it's bizarrely entitled to think that your own comfort trumps what anyone else does with their body.
They are putting people who rely on them for their livelihood in the position of having to tell them they stink/are dirty or deal with it. That’s not okay and is some sort of warped kind of privilege/entitlement.
I think we all do things like wear clothes and shoes, wash our hands, brush our teeth, bathe, wear masks during pandemics, that we might personally not find comfortable or enjoy but we do them because it’s part of the social contract and living in modern society. Opting out by choice puts a burden on other people that they don’t need to have.
Huh? They’re making the people who work for them tell them they’re smelly? How? What? What if they don’t smell? If I don’t take a shower for two days I can definitely smell myself, but my girlfriend only showers once or twice a week and always looks and smells great. You’re looking so hard for a reason for them to be giant privileged assholes- and they might be! But this isn’t why.
Bathing every day and wearing a mask during a pandemic are totally not the same things. Jesus.
They are putting people who rely on them for their livelihood in the position of having to tell them they stink/are dirty or deal with it. That’s not okay and is some sort of warped kind of privilege/entitlement.
I think we all do things like wear clothes and shoes, wash our hands, brush our teeth, bathe, wear masks during pandemics, that we might personally not find comfortable or enjoy but we do them because it’s part of the social contract and living in modern society. Opting out by choice puts a burden on other people that they don’t need to have.
Opting out of some of those things spreads disease. Not showering, or even toothbrushing, on a daily basis does not.
Not showering before (and after) going in a pool can spread disease. The spread of pinworms is reduced by regular bathing, especially by children. The risk of trachoma can be reduced by regular face washing. Bathing and changing your clothes regularly can help cut down on the spread of body lice. If you are sneezing into your elbow and people are, for example, dressing you because you are an actor you can spread disease that way.