Are baseball games considered risky again with delta? I have tickets to a game next weekend and H is on the fence about going. We’ll be outdoors, but no masks required (unless you’re indoors) and it’ll be packed with people.
Not to be funny, but I think it really depends on how good the team is. If they are good, the stands will be packed and I would not go. If they suck, then go for it.
Post by Velar Fricative on Aug 25, 2021 14:43:26 GMT -5
NYC provided an update today on breakthrough cases. The percentages are posted on the homepage here along with PDFs with charts and data that are brief and easy to understand.
0.33% fully vaccinated people have experienced breakthrough cases between January and August 17th. But, in a high-population city like this, that's still about 15,000 people. And the unvaccinated comprise 96%-97% of all cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
I don’t understand why people are making a big deal of this? Maybe the naming is not the best, but it’s the Pfizer-BioNTech company? The vaccine is called Comirnaty. It’s what I got and I’m in Germany. No issues here with the name.
I don’t understand why people are making a big deal of this? Maybe the naming is not the best, but it’s the Pfizer-BioNTech company? The vaccine is called Comirnaty. It’s what I got and I’m in Germany. No issues here with the name.
According to NYtimes graphs- Missouri, Arkansas and Louisiana are seeing 14 day decreases in cases. I believe if memory serves me correctly they were also the first states to see surges. Hospitalizations are still elevated or growing in all of the states though, which isn't surprising.
Anyways, it will be interesting to see if the trend continues and if that will be the timeline for other hard hitting states to start seeing cases go down. Perhaps a combo of vaccines working, people taking preventative measures and then just a whole bunch of new people getting infected and now having temporary immunity.
I feel like we are leveling off here? Although we did have another high case count today, but the weekend wasn’t bad and hospitalizations are not growing exponentially anymore. We are also one of the least vaccinated states, so hopefully other areas won’t get hit as hard. I’m trying to be optimistic. Delta came through here like a bat out of hell!
I noticed some promising increases in vaccination in many southern states. AL and MS were lowest and now no longer are - now some of the mountain states are lowest.
I’m not surprised at the leveling off and I’m sure that’s a huge relief for hospitals. Even the worst surges come down - at some point, the virus does find fewer people it can infect. While I don’t live down there, I also do wonder about people policing their own behavior to help bring cases down, like social distancing more.
Are baseball games considered risky again with delta? I have tickets to a game next weekend and H is on the fence about going. We’ll be outdoors, but no masks required (unless you’re indoors) and it’ll be packed with people.
Not to be funny, but I think it really depends on how good the team is. If they are good, the stands will be packed and I would not go. If they suck, then go for it.
Hawaii has also been seeing some of its highest case counts since the start of the pandemic. Meanwhile, tourism has returned at record numbers (thanks to cheap flights and people wanting to travel domestically). The governor is now asking people to stay home.
I am so confused about what is happening in Hawaii. We have high vaccination rate, high mask usage, the government has been so conservative about opening things up. Our hospitals are totally full though and numbers keep rising. I was talking to somebody today from Florida who was saying they're the same and in the back of my head I was thinking wtf why are we at the same place as Florida that is like complete opposite of everything Hawaii has done?
Hawaii has also been seeing some of its highest case counts since the start of the pandemic. Meanwhile, tourism has returned at record numbers (thanks to cheap flights and people wanting to travel domestically). The governor is now asking people to stay home.
I am so confused about what is happening in Hawaii. We have high vaccination rate, high mask usage, the government has been so conservative about opening things up. Our hospitals are totally full though and numbers keep rising. I was talking to somebody today from Florida who was saying they're the same and in the back of my head I was thinking wtf why are we at the same place as Florida that is like complete opposite of everything Hawaii has done?
Tourism. Isn’t Hawaii’s biggest issue lack of hospital beds though?
I am so confused about what is happening in Hawaii. We have high vaccination rate, high mask usage, the government has been so conservative about opening things up. Our hospitals are totally full though and numbers keep rising. I was talking to somebody today from Florida who was saying they're the same and in the back of my head I was thinking wtf why are we at the same place as Florida that is like complete opposite of everything Hawaii has done?
Tourism. Isn’t Hawaii’s biggest issue lack of hospital beds though?
They keep saying that tourism isnt causing this. That tourism only accounts for 1%, and its all local spread. Which idk if I believe, but I trust the rest of what they say so then idk. But you go down to Waikiki and none of the tourists wear masks, but in residential areas everyone is wearing masks even just on walks outside. And ya there's only 300something ICU beds for the whole state, and only really 4 hospitals on Oahu which is where people get sent. In the height of the previously though hospitals weren't this overwhelmed. Our percentage just keeps rising. It's stressing me out, esp because there is no where to go if an accident happens like you can't just drive to a less busy area.
They keep saying that tourism isnt causing this. That tourism only accounts for 1%, and its all local spread. Which idk if I believe, but I trust the rest of what they say so then idk. But you go down to Waikiki and none of the tourists wear masks, but in residential areas everyone is wearing masks even just on walks outside. And ya there's only 300something ICU beds for the whole state, and only really 4 hospitals on Oahu which is where people get sent. In the height of the previously though hospitals weren't this overwhelmed. Our percentage just keeps rising. It's stressing me out, esp because there is no where to go if an accident happens like you can't just drive to a less busy area.
Delta, Delta changed everything.
Yep. I am just hoping after this wave it will have burned itself through everyone it can and things will really improve.
Hawaii has also been seeing some of its highest case counts since the start of the pandemic. Meanwhile, tourism has returned at record numbers (thanks to cheap flights and people wanting to travel domestically). The governor is now asking people to stay home.
I am so confused about what is happening in Hawaii. We have high vaccination rate, high mask usage, the government has been so conservative about opening things up. Our hospitals are totally full though and numbers keep rising. I was talking to somebody today from Florida who was saying they're the same and in the back of my head I was thinking wtf why are we at the same place as Florida that is like complete opposite of everything Hawaii has done?
I’m baffled too. It seemed like the crazy spike began around early July and then a week or two later hospitalizations spiked. I know Delta is a whole different beast but this isn’t happening anywhere else that’s fairly well-vaccinated. Although, Hawaii does have a really sizable gap between first and second doses, more than almost any other state and has for a while, so they aren’t as vaccinated as it seems if you look at one-dose stats only. I’m not sure why so many more people there never got their second dose, or if they just haven’t been recorded somehow.
Tourism. Isn’t Hawaii’s biggest issue lack of hospital beds though?
They keep saying that tourism isnt causing this. That tourism only accounts for 1%, and its all local spread. Which idk if I believe, but I trust the rest of what they say so then idk. But you go down to Waikiki and none of the tourists wear masks, but in residential areas everyone is wearing masks even just on walks outside. And ya there's only 300something ICU beds for the whole state, and only really 4 hospitals on Oahu which is where people get sent. In the height of the previously though hospitals weren't this overwhelmed. Our percentage just keeps rising. It's stressing me out, esp because there is no where to go if an accident happens like you can't just drive to a less busy area.
I find it hard to believe that tourism isn’t part of it either — especially because tourism has been at record levels since Hawaii reopened. Plus, I assume cases among tourists are being undercounted — if you’re just there for a week or so, unless you get REALLY sick, you’d probably wait till you get home to get tested, or if you have a mild case, you might not get tested at all.
On the other hand, not everyone traveling to Hawaii is a tourist. Now that quarantine requirements have been eased, Hawaii residents can travel to the mainland, contract the virus, and bring it back (which I read somewhere is part of the problem.) But, yes, it’s definitely scary to see Hawaii record its highest case counts of the pandemic to date.
I think insurance companies raising premiums could possibly be the most effective way to get the unvaccinated to change their minds. No one is forcing them (so they get to keep their FREEDOMS)…but it’s their CHOICE. Get vaccinated or pay up. I’d guess that most people won’t pay $$$$ just to stay unvaccinated. It absolutely makes sense for insurance companies to do this, as they can show in black and white how much extra it costs them.
I hope they carve out exemptions for those who are medically ineligible for the vaccine. We already have pretty high OOP expenses for my husband’s autoimmune disease. To have to pay a $200/month penalty because he is unable to be vaccinated would add salt to a wound.
Although, Hawaii does have a really sizable gap between first and second doses, more than almost any other state and has for a while, so they aren’t as vaccinated as it seems if you look at one-dose stats only. I’m not sure why so many more people there never got their second dose, or if they just haven’t been recorded somehow.
oh that's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. I'm also not sure what our actually rate is. I just read a Washington Post article that said 55%, but the Lt. Gov said that were 69% completely vaccinated, and 61% with a single dose. He also said that of the eligible population were at 82%. Another thing is with such a high concentration of military I'm not sure how those numbers get factored in. Because military doesn't share their positive covid cases, so I'm not sure how vaccinations are considered with them not being administered by the state. I mean I assume they get shared at some point, but it's separate systems and all. Ugh it's just depressing feeling like everything's been done "right" but still being in such a situation.
Hawaii has also been seeing some of its highest case counts since the start of the pandemic. Meanwhile, tourism has returned at record numbers (thanks to cheap flights and people wanting to travel domestically). The governor is now asking people to stay home.
I am so confused about what is happening in Hawaii. We have high vaccination rate, high mask usage, the government has been so conservative about opening things up. Our hospitals are totally full though and numbers keep rising. I was talking to somebody today from Florida who was saying they're the same and in the back of my head I was thinking wtf why are we at the same place as Florida that is like complete opposite of everything Hawaii has done?
I keep saying the same thing about Maine. 80% of adults are vaccinated, and yet we’ve been surging anyway.
Although, Hawaii does have a really sizable gap between first and second doses, more than almost any other state and has for a while, so they aren’t as vaccinated as it seems if you look at one-dose stats only. I’m not sure why so many more people there never got their second dose, or if they just haven’t been recorded somehow.
oh that's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. I'm also not sure what our actually rate is. I just read a Washington Post article that said 55%, but the Lt. Gov said that were 69% completely vaccinated, and 61% with a single dose. He also said that of the eligible population were at 82%. Another thing is with such a high concentration of military I'm not sure how those numbers get factored in. Because military doesn't share their positive covid cases, so I'm not sure how vaccinations are considered with them not being administered by the state. I mean I assume they get shared at some point, but it's separate systems and all. Ugh it's just depressing feeling like everything's been done "right" but still being in such a situation.
Yeah per NYT it’s 55% FV, but 74% with one dose. If you compare that gap to other states, it’s really large. And I noticed it was large a while back too, so it’s not a matter of new vaccinations increasing by a lot.
I am so confused about what is happening in Hawaii. We have high vaccination rate, high mask usage, the government has been so conservative about opening things up. Our hospitals are totally full though and numbers keep rising. I was talking to somebody today from Florida who was saying they're the same and in the back of my head I was thinking wtf why are we at the same place as Florida that is like complete opposite of everything Hawaii has done?
I keep saying the same thing about Maine. 80% of adults are vaccinated, and yet we’ve been surging anyway.
I used to only focus on adult rates but given Delta and @@@school resuming@@@, I look at the overall population plus only the fully vaccinated percentage. So your state still has a decent chunk of unvaccinated even factoring in breakthroughs.
Illinois's governor is set to announce an indoor mask mandate for the whole state today, as well as a vaccine mandate for K-12 and higher ed employees.
I'm sure lunch will be interesting today since some of the people in my lunch (all are fully vaxxed, though) are anti-mask and will I'm sure have things to say about this mandate.
I think insurance companies raising premiums could possibly be the most effective way to get the unvaccinated to change their minds. No one is forcing them (so they get to keep their FREEDOMS)…but it’s their CHOICE. Get vaccinated or pay up. I’d guess that most people won’t pay $$$$ just to stay unvaccinated. It absolutely makes sense for insurance companies to do this, as they can show in black and white how much extra it costs them.
I want to like this because I like mandates, but tying healthcare to health choices feels like a problematic slippery slope to me.
I’d rather have mandates as a condition of employment (with medical exemptions only).
I know what you mean, but don’t some already have higher premiums for smokers? Or the opposite, discounts on your premium if you don’t smoke? ETA: Insurance is a business (a shady one, but that’s another discussion for another day). If they know that having people who don’t have the vaccine (by choice) increases their risk of having to pay out $$$$, I think it stands to reason that they ask the consumer to share some of that cost risk.
I think this is different than what some people suggest, which is no coverage of any Covid-related care if you’re unvaccinated.
And I agree that there absolutely has to be an exception for those with medical exemptions.
I am so confused about what is happening in Hawaii. We have high vaccination rate, high mask usage, the government has been so conservative about opening things up. Our hospitals are totally full though and numbers keep rising. I was talking to somebody today from Florida who was saying they're the same and in the back of my head I was thinking wtf why are we at the same place as Florida that is like complete opposite of everything Hawaii has done?
I keep saying the same thing about Maine. 80% of adults are vaccinated, and yet we’ve been surging anyway.
The vaccination rate varies widely by county, though. Cumberland has 85% fully vaccinated, and we’ve seen almost no surge, despite being inundated with tourists for the last two months. Aroostook, Penobscot, and Piscatiquis look more like the rest of the US as far as vaccination numbers, and those three have the biggest surges, despite being more rural and less touristy.
Also, when I go to smaller inland towns, I’m always a little freaked out by how few people wear masks compared to Portland. That can’t be helping.
Post by mrsukyankee on Aug 26, 2021 7:43:50 GMT -5
Currently, my part of London has cases going down (yay for now) and yet so many surrounded areas are still very, very high (10,000+ cases per million). I think my area stepped up the info on vaccinations and opened things up more to make it easier to get the vax. I hope that more and more people take it up, especially younger people. And that the rumour that 12+ will be offered a vax is true (currently 16+). School starts up in 1-1/2 weeks. I'm nervous about it all when looking at the US.
I’m so sorry mpc. My community lost a prominent member in his 20s last week and now another is in the ICU. We are a small community and yet so many remain so staunchly anti both mask and vaccine. It’s unbelievable.
I think insurance companies raising premiums could possibly be the most effective way to get the unvaccinated to change their minds. No one is forcing them (so they get to keep their FREEDOMS)…but it’s their CHOICE. Get vaccinated or pay up. I’d guess that most people won’t pay $$$$ just to stay unvaccinated. It absolutely makes sense for insurance companies to do this, as they can show in black and white how much extra it costs them.
I want to like this because I like mandates, but tying healthcare to health choices feels like a problematic slippery slope to me.
I’d rather have mandates as a condition of employment (with medical exemptions only).
I disagree. Choices have consequences. You choose not to do something that will reduce your need for your insurance company to pay, you pick up the difference. I see it like smoking.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
I want to like this because I like mandates, but tying healthcare to health choices feels like a problematic slippery slope to me.
I’d rather have mandates as a condition of employment (with medical exemptions only).
I disagree. Choices have consequences. You choose not to do something that will reduce your need for your insurance company to pay, you pick up the difference. I see it like smoking.
I see the slippery slope melmaria is talking about in things like sedentary lifestyle or being obese. Some people may say that those are choices (even though we know they aren't, but then I feel like that raises the question with smoking around the idea of addiction and how much of that is a choice vs. an illness). I can just see how its tricky.