Covid 8/30

[bears]

ohiocapitaljournal.com/2021/08/30/judge-orders-cinci-hospital-to-treat-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin-despite-cdc-warnings/

A judge orders a hospital to treat covid patient with ivermectin. I don't understand how this works, can someone explain how the judge can compel a treating physician to do this?

The doctor who prescribed the ivermectin (doesn't seem to be associated with the hospital) has a Twitter profile where he claims to cute asthma in 90% of cases.

[waverly]

Other vaccines, such as influenza vaccine, found to be helpful against severe health issues resulting from Covid. This is not to say they should take the place of a Covid vaccine. And they haven't proven causation yet, but there is correlation. This study is from Miami www.uspharmacist.com/article/influenza-vaccine-helps-reduce-some-severe-outcomes-from-covid19, but there are similar studies from the UK and Michigan.

Other vaccines too have shown some improved outcomes, but I didn't see as many studies on these, yet. www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/study-tb-vaccine-linked-to-lower-risk-of-contracting-covid-19/. about.kaiserpermanente.org/our-story/health-research/news/pneumonia-vaccine-may-affect-course-of-covid-19.

My main interest is for those that can't get the Covid vaccine at this time, or for medical reasons/ religious reasons. But in general, I thought it was interesting to learn more about immune systems. I will say again everyone should get the Covid vaccine that can.

[basilosaurus]

An Atlantic piece, but not long, on compassion fatigue of healthcare workers and their feelings about anti-vaxxers. This is a couple weeks old, so forgive me if I'm reposting.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/health-care-workers-compassion-fatigue-vaccine-refusers/619716/?fbclid=IwAR3V16Y-yxDJlsrgf6BUhbl-JysLpsMgaG_kk8_UzAaC0TDHUHS6_ermF6w

[basilosaurus]

Aug 30, 2021 9:05:07 GMT -5 bears said:

ohiocapitaljournal.com/2021/08/30/judge-orders-cinci-hospital-to-treat-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin-despite-cdc-warnings/

A judge orders a hospital to treat covid patient with ivermectin. I don't understand how this works, can someone explain how the judge can compel a treating physician to do this?

The doctor who prescribed the ivermectin (doesn't seem to be associated with the hospital) has a Twitter profile where he claims to cute asthma in 90% of cases.

I was just reading something about this. IANAL. It has something to do with hospitals not supposed to be choosing which legal and valid prescriptions to fill or not. This is one of those slippery slope areas because I think some of the precedent comes from women needing access to EC and BCP (but I don't think what I read mentioned that. Wish I could find it again)

[icedcoffee]

I was at a work conference last week and the coworker I spent the most amount of time with had symptoms yesterday. So...that's fun. She got a PCR yesterday so hopefully we have definitive news either way. If she got it then I totally did too. Eeeee.

[tiramisu]

Aug 30, 2021 10:08:06 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

An Atlantic piece, but not long, on compassion fatigue of healthcare workers and their feelings about anti-vaxxers. This is a couple weeks old, so forgive me if I'm reposting.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/health-care-workers-compassion-fatigue-vaccine-refusers/619716/?fbclid=IwAR3V16Y-yxDJlsrgf6BUhbl-JysLpsMgaG_kk8_UzAaC0TDHUHS6_ermF6w

Thank you for sharing this. I'm glad the compassion fatigue is being talked about openly.

[cap]

Well, an employee is suing my employer (major state-run research university) about the vaccine mandate, and I know her! I switched jobs about 2 years ago, and a couple of weeks before I left, she came on board to replace someone who was retiring, and we've communicated via email about work-related things a few times since then. My friend from my previous job texted me, and she said none of them had any idea, and that during zoom work meetings, had seemed to go along with the "yay vaccines!" talk that happened.

[basilosaurus]

Good news on the legal front. Judge upheld DeathSantis's ban on mask mandates. This article references SCOTUS cases going back over 100 years if you need some fodder for fact bombing some idiots. apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-education-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-1908088a0b5c5b02d89fd7e007822408?

[katespade]

Aug 30, 2021 11:15:07 GMT -5 cap said:

Well, an employee is suing my employer (major state-run research university) about the vaccine mandate, and I know her! I switched jobs about 2 years ago, and a couple of weeks before I left, she came on board to replace someone who was retiring, and we've communicated via email about work-related things a few times since then. My friend from my previous job texted me, and she said none of them had any idea, and that during zoom work meetings, had seemed to go along with the "yay vaccines!" talk that happened.

I know a lot of people who are pro-vaccine and anti-mandate. I think it's a much more common stance than you might think. The majority of the people who feel that way have just been staying pretty quiet about it, because they're afraid to be lumped in with the extremist anti-vaxxers. 

[picksthemusic]

We have now told my unvaccinated SIL that if she wants to hang out with us, she has to either get vaccinated or wear a mask indoors. She said she's been told by her naturopath to not get it because she's allergic to it, but won't share what she's allergic to in the vaccine. She apparently was referred to an allergist to get a second opinion on it, and I'm just hoping that this allergist (if she even is going to one) will tell her she's fine and will be fine if she gets it. I am just so incredulous that she's unwilling to even have an open conversation with the family without shutting down about it. We have unvaccinated family members to think about and it seems as though she only cares about them when it's convenient.

[basilosaurus]

Naturopath?! Quack quack quack. I'd be hard pressed to not just quack at her instead of speaking for the foreseeable future.

[VillainV]

Aug 30, 2021 11:48:53 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Good news on the legal front. Judge upheld DeathSantis's ban on mask mandates. This article references SCOTUS cases going back over 100 years if you need some fodder for fact bombing some idiots. apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-education-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-1908088a0b5c5b02d89fd7e007822408?

I’m happy about this ruling, but doubt it will make any difference in my district — the new superintendent is VERY anti-mask, and probably most of the school board is too…

[picksthemusic]

Aug 30, 2021 12:27:40 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Naturopath?! Quack quack quack. I'd be hard pressed to not just quack at her instead of speaking for the foreseeable future.

Oh believe me, I know. She's an essential-oil wearing, naturopath-seeing person. The other issue is that she's Deaf, so when she doesn't want to discuss something, she just walks away or won't answer. We have BIL talk to her sometimes, but she just erupts at him that we're trying to control her. There are other concerns too, but it's been a decade of trying to get her to see reason or listen to real science. It's maddening.

[rubytue]

Aug 30, 2021 11:48:53 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Good news on the legal front. Judge upheld DeathSantis's ban on mask mandates. This article references SCOTUS cases going back over 100 years if you need some fodder for fact bombing some idiots. apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-education-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-1908088a0b5c5b02d89fd7e007822408?

I think you mean struck down, not upheld, right? The judge said he can’t do it. 

[cap]

Aug 30, 2021 12:00:30 GMT -5 katespade said:

Aug 30, 2021 11:15:07 GMT -5 cap said:

Well, an employee is suing my employer (major state-run research university) about the vaccine mandate, and I know her! I switched jobs about 2 years ago, and a couple of weeks before I left, she came on board to replace someone who was retiring, and we've communicated via email about work-related things a few times since then. My friend from my previous job texted me, and she said none of them had any idea, and that during zoom work meetings, had seemed to go along with the "yay vaccines!" talk that happened.

I know a lot of people who are pro-vaccine and anti-mandate. I think it's a much more common stance than you might think. The majority of the people who feel that way have just been staying pretty quiet about it, because they're afraid to be lumped in with the extremist anti-vaxxers. 

Oh, she is very much anti-vaccine - she's not vaxxed, according to news articles. 

[wildrice]

My employer (university) just announced that if students or employees aren't vaccinated by a certain date in September, they will be unenrolled or put on indefinite unpaid leave. I think the unpaid leave means they would get fired within a matter of days/a couple of weeks for failure to report to work, so this is just a nicer way of putting it.

We already have a vaccine mandate, but we have around 150 or so employees and IDK how many students who ignored it. We were managing it with required testing and symptom monitoring, but I guess now with the FDA approval, we aren't going to allow those anymore unless you have an approved exemption.

I am really happy about this, except for the fact that I just finished creating a training video for how to handle unvaccinated individuals, and now it's going to be end up being a waste of my time in a couple of weeks, lol.

[waverly]

I am seeing people quit after vaccine mandates. My question is, don't people need jobs anymore to pay bills? Or are they not as stretched anymore due to various economic factors? Or think there are lots of openings so they will just get a job somewhere else.

[fernweh]

Aug 30, 2021 14:34:39 GMT -5 waverly said:

I am seeing people quit after vaccine mandates. My question is, don't people need jobs anymore to pay bills? Or are they not as stretched anymore due to various economic factors? Or think there are lots of openings so they will just get a job somewhere else.

My guess is they think they will be able to easily get another job with the current labor shortage. Hopefully enough places mandate it that that will not be the case.

[msmerymac]

Aug 30, 2021 14:34:39 GMT -5 waverly said:

I am seeing people quit after vaccine mandates. My question is, don't people need jobs anymore to pay bills? Or are they not as stretched anymore due to various economic factors? Or think there are lots of openings so they will just get a job somewhere else.

I spoke to someone last week who said HR at her company (financial services) have been interviewing a lot of people who say they are leaving their jobs either because their employer is requiring vaccination or because their employer is requiring everyone go back in the office. Both of which sound kind of ill-advised to talk about in a phone screening, but I guess if those are your dealbreakers…

[waverly]

I have a feeling more and more employers will mandate it. I don’t think it’s strictly necessary for my company because we are small.

But eventually it may be the only way forward without opening ourselves up to OSHA lawsuits.

We can’t social distance and mask at work forever (as long as necessary, but not forever).

People will need to take responsibility for their own safety or be mandated to do so eventually.

[fumbalina]

Aug 30, 2021 14:34:39 GMT -5 waverly said:

I am seeing people quit after vaccine mandates. My question is, don't people need jobs anymore to pay bills? Or are they not as stretched anymore due to various economic factors? Or think there are lots of openings so they will just get a job somewhere else.

They believe that everyone who was vaccinated will die within 6 months.

[Jalapeñomel]

Aug 30, 2021 19:23:58 GMT -5 fumbalina said:

Aug 30, 2021 14:34:39 GMT -5 waverly said:

I am seeing people quit after vaccine mandates. My question is, don't people need jobs anymore to pay bills? Or are they not as stretched anymore due to various economic factors? Or think there are lots of openings so they will just get a job somewhere else.

They believe that everyone who was vaccinated will die within 6 months.

, how do they explain the folks who were vaccinated in January and still alive?

[mskitkat]

I would be shocked if my company mandates a vaccine, but many of my customers have, and in order to serve them, I have to present my vaccine card. It’s a great way for my company to get around the heat of mandating while still effectively mandating.

[mbcdefg]

Aug 30, 2021 19:29:06 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Aug 30, 2021 19:23:58 GMT -5 fumbalina said:

They believe that everyone who was vaccinated will die within 6 months.

, how do they explain the folks who were vaccinated in January and still alive?

[pearls]

Aug 30, 2021 14:34:39 GMT -5 waverly said:

I am seeing people quit after vaccine mandates. My question is, don't people need jobs anymore to pay bills? Or are they not as stretched anymore due to various economic factors? Or think there are lots of openings so they will just get a job somewhere else.

We're seeing a variety of situations at my company...We're not mandating the vaccine yet, but have returned some employees to the office and are asking about vaccine status. For most that have left we've heard they've found employment quickly elsewhere, supposedly many working from home permanently so the companies don't care about if they're vaccinated. A few (young) employees have told mgrs. they'll just move back in with their family and ride this out together, and no one in their family believes in vaccines either. I guess they won't worry about income then.

[wise_rita]

Aug 30, 2021 19:29:06 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Aug 30, 2021 19:23:58 GMT -5 fumbalina said:

They believe that everyone who was vaccinated will die within 6 months.

, how do they explain the folks who were vaccinated in January and still alive?

Or people in trials who got the vax a year or more ago.

[basilosaurus]

Aug 30, 2021 13:15:52 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Aug 30, 2021 11:48:53 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Good news on the legal front. Judge upheld DeathSantis's ban on mask mandates. This article references SCOTUS cases going back over 100 years if you need some fodder for fact bombing some idiots. apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-education-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-1908088a0b5c5b02d89fd7e007822408?

I think you mean struck down, not upheld, right? The judge said he can’t do it. 

LOL. 2 thoughts at once came out wrong. That's what I get for multitasking. I don't think he outright struck down the ban. He upheld those "violating" it.

[Velar Fricative]

Aug 31, 2021 5:21:27 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

At some point, something’s gotta give. Yeah you can quit if you don’t want the vaxx but there won’t be any health care jobs for you. So will they work in other fields?

If they can, they’ll move. The healthcare workers protesting here mentioned to reporters that they want to move to “free” places like Florida.

[rubytue]

So, y’all probably know I have a thing about patient blaming. A got burnt alive in the flaming on Twitter when I said that as crappy as Rush was he did not deserve lung cancer. Things like that.

And yet, I find myself have zero sympathy for all the conservative talk show hosts (e.g. Phil Valentina) who spout anti-vax covid denying shit and then land in the hospital or die. And another one, Q guy. www.vice.com/en/article/93yjzp/qanon-anti-vaxxer-called-covid-a-hoax-even-as-his-lungs-stopped-functioning

[eddy]

Aug 31, 2021 6:51:43 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Aug 31, 2021 5:21:27 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

At some point, something’s gotta give. Yeah you can quit if you don’t want the vaxx but there won’t be any health care jobs for you. So will they work in other fields?

If they can, they’ll move. The healthcare workers protesting here mentioned to reporters that they want to move to “free” places like Florida.

Well have fun not returning to "normal" at your workplace for a long ass time. The hospitals that have high vaccinated populations will be the first to lift restrictions that healthcare workers have had to work under this whole time. Have fun wearing a mask indefinitely, dealing with patients who can't bring in their family, floating to units because their is a covid surge etc etc etc.

I work adjacent to a healthcare org and it is fucking brutal. And I am not even in direct patient care. I just can't understand even from a practical standpoint why people would want to keep working in these conditions. The only way out is vaccinations. Plan and simple. Unless you want the slow burn of this misery at your workplace.