This is weird. Older men prey on non-famous teens all the time. The only difference her fame makes is that she has the chance to call out the predatory behavior in a huge public manner.
Taylor Swift and her parents are NOT at fault for Jake Gyllenhaal's behavior.
You are misunderstanding me. I'm not blaming her parents for Jake Gyllenhaal specifically.
I'm saying what they did was shitty and set her up to be exploited. Because child stars are often exploited.
I understand what you're saying. I just disagree that this was because she was a child star. This happened because a vulnerable young woman met a predatory man. It happens all the time - it could have happened to her just as easily if she was just a regular, non-famous 20 year old girl.
This is weird. Older men prey on non-famous teens all the time. The only difference her fame makes is that she has the chance to call out the predatory behavior in a huge public manner.
Taylor Swift and her parents are NOT at fault for Jake Gyllenhaal's behavior.
You are misunderstanding me. I'm not blaming her parents for Jake Gyllenhaal specifically.
I'm saying what they did was shitty and set her up to be exploited. Because child stars are often exploited.
I mean, Taylor Swift was 20 going on 21 when she was dating Jake Gyllenhaal--she wasn't a minor. She was young, yeah, this wasn't a situation of a 16 year old dating a 25 year old. She was well past the legal age of consent, whether we agree with the developmental aspects of the capabilities of that or not. I'm not sure that I'd (1) say that she was "exploited." I mean that term has a pretty specific connotation and definition and while I've already said he's a jerk I'm not sure he exploited her. How? When? He was a dick to her and without knowing the total in's and outs of their relationship, it seems like he had a habit of putting her down, which borders on subtle emotional abuse. (2) as mentioned above, this can happen in any type of relationship, and it happens in a lot of early relationships when people are..wait for it,,int their 20's. It can especially happen when people have big age ranges.
(3) if anyone exploited her, it's Scooter Braun. That's why we are even having this conversation about Jake Gyllenhaal 10 years later in the first place and he is a total, total, total asshole. Maybe focus on how big of jerk he is.
Post by irishbride2 on Nov 15, 2021 15:12:27 GMT -5
I admire her business sense and what she has accomplished.
I personally have never found her music to be as deep as Swifties claim. I mean, many of the songs are catchy, but I view it as traditional pop. No shade. I love pop. But Swifties scare me a bit. And they hate all of her exes. From what I've read, they basically forced Hiddleston off social media even though Taylor has admitted the breakup wasn't his fault. The world seems so overly invested in all of her relationships. I get it to some extent because she dates really famous people (and is very famous herself) But it weirds me out since Swifties are adults now. It seems very teenage drama.
The whole thing is weird and I try to avoid it but its everywhere!
It is weird to me that everyone on this board doesn't know all about her re-releases and hours of backstory because it is a source of CONSTANT discussion in my house. I can't emphasize CONSTANT enough.
LOL that said, I'm glad the biggest fan in my house is so excited about a role model who is a pretty badass women.
Also, Taylor is brilliant because there is new merch that comes out in waves for every new release (if you are a member of Taylor Nation, you know).
I've spent way too much money on merch from her Red release. And there is eager anticipation dripping from her biggest fan in my house as we wait for 1989 to come out.
Taylor is brilliant when it comes to social media. She leaves easter eggs everywhere, maximizes social media, and pretty much stirs her fans into a frenzy.
I’ve always been a big fan of hers, so her new red album has been basically on a loop since Friday. Lol
I love that she’s taken ownership of herself, her brand, her image in such a big powerful way.
Also, on Friday, Britney truly became free, and Jessica Simpson took 100% ownership of HER brand and image.
It was a big day for women who became famous during a time when tabloids and social media did EVERYTHING to take advantage of them and ruin them.
My friday social media post was all about these 2 things happening on the same day when the weather in Houston was amazing - it was a winning Millennial/Zennial female Friday for sure!
It is weird to me that everyone on this board doesn't know all about her re-releases and hours of backstory because it is a source of CONSTANT discussion in my house. I can't emphasize CONSTANT enough.
LOL that said, I'm glad the biggest fan in my house is so excited about a role model who is a pretty badass women.
Also, Taylor is brilliant because there is new merch that comes out in waves for every new release (if you are a member of Taylor Nation, you know).
I've spent way too much money on merch from her Red release. And there is eager anticipation dripping from her biggest fan in my house as we wait for 1989 to come out.
Taylor is brilliant when it comes to social media. She leaves easter eggs everywhere, maximizes social media, and pretty much stirs her fans into a frenzy.
I'm here for it.
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Yes, well I have three girls from 15-22, so it makes sense id be more tuned in than some people on the board. Lol
Also: this assertion isn't even really true: Taylor Swift has dated guys like Calvin Harris and Tom Hiddleston. She's been in a long term relationship now for awhile. None of them have "been put on blast" as their relationships ended. Maybe bc they weren't assholes? Also, some of her songs are about feelings she experienced in like 8th grade lol and she's spoken about how the songs were interpreted to be about her current partners.. Maybe it's that her partners should be wary that if they show their asses, yeah she will burn them.
Also apparently I am a Tayler swift fan. 🙃
To be fair, she did call out Calvin Harris a bit on the fact that she wrote "This is what you came for" for Rihanna. I can't remember the full drama, but I saw her in concert and she performed it after basically saying "I can do this because I can and they can't call me out on it."
Also: this assertion isn't even really true: Taylor Swift has dated guys like Calvin Harris and Tom Hiddleston. She's been in a long term relationship now for awhile. None of them have "been put on blast" as their relationships ended. Maybe bc they weren't assholes? Also, some of her songs are about feelings she experienced in like 8th grade lol and she's spoken about how the songs were interpreted to be about her current partners.. Maybe it's that her partners should be wary that if they show their asses, yeah she will burn them.
Also apparently I am a Tayler swift fan. 🙃
To be fair, she did call out Calvin Harris a bit on the fact that she wrote "This is what you came for" for Rihanna. I can't remember the full drama, but I saw her in concert and she performed it after basically saying "I can do this because I can and they can't call me out on it."
How is her claiming ownership of a product she collaborated on "calling" him out? I read the article and it looks like she claimed it. That's all. The article doesn't really posit any type of drama, only that she co wrote it and co produced it under the pseudonym.
Maybe she started out under pseudonym but she changed her mind. People can do that.
Post by wanderingback on Nov 15, 2021 19:18:50 GMT -5
Yikes. No comment on the specific Taylor Swift stuff, but I am surprised a little by the age comments.
I graduated college at age 20 and plenty of people at age 20 have their own apartments are working, thinking about having kids, living as adults, etc. It doesn’t seem like a huge stretch and predatory to date some who is 29 at that age. Even 25 to 40 doesn’t seem that big of a deal to me, since at 25 one could be a doctor, lawyer, own a home and really be an "adult." I think neither of those scenarios are moral or ethically wrong in most cases.
Jake Gyllenhaal should never know a moment's peace.
Come on. LOL. I don’t think that even Taylor is taking the situation that seriously. I like Taylor and am buying the TV Red album, but she is a master of marketing and intrigue and knows exactly what she is doing. Who is to say that both of them haven’t grown since their 3 month long relationship that ended 11 years ago ? I just don’t think that Taylor’s Stan’s should be flooding Maggie and Jake’s mentions and giving jon Mayer death threats. I don’t think anything he did excuses that
I'm definitely not in favor of death threats. I just don't think he's a victim here.
I'm sure she has many wonderful qualities that would make her a good partner. But at this point, why would ANYone want to date her? On the small off-chance it's not happily ever after, you gotta know your relationship will be put on blast.
Swifties, don't @ me, lol.
Taylor has been in a steady relationship for 5 years.
I saw someone suggest online that the scarf in All Too Well is a metaphor for her virginity.
i was not a big Taylor fan until I watched her documentary. She’s so talented and I really admire her for re-recording her albums. I really enjoy the adult versions better. I also loved how Better Man and Babe are on the new Red album.
Yikes. No comment on the specific Taylor Swift stuff, but I am surprised a little by the age comments.
I graduated college at age 20 and plenty of people at age 20 have their own apartments are working, thinking about having kids, living as adults, etc. It doesn’t seem like a huge stretch and predatory to date some who is 29 at that age. Even 25 to 40 doesn’t seem that big of a deal to me, since at 25 one could be a doctor, lawyer, own a home and really be an "adult." I think neither of those scenarios are moral or ethically wrong in most cases.
I don’t think 25 and 40 is the same thing as a 20 year old dating a 29-30 year old. As you point out, at those ages both parties can be doctors, lawyers etc. Their brains have matured. They are both far removed from being a teenager in high school.
It’s true some 20 year olds may have been living as adults for years and have real life experience and have graduated college and are having children. But many 20 year olds are sophomores in college living in dorms. A 29-30 year old is 8-10 years past college and hopefully established in their careers. It can be a big power imbalance. 30 year old men really should be able to find plenty of women closer their own age who aren’t still worrying about midterms and rush to date.
I know so many women who looking back that the decade year older men they dated at that age and realized how many red flags and grooming there was going that they just weren’t experienced enough to pick up on. They weren’t “mature for their age”, they were barely out of their teens and these grown men used that to their advantage. Of course, there are always lucky exceptions.
I saw someone suggest online that the scarf in All Too Well is a metaphor for her virginity.
i was not a big Taylor fan until I watched her documentary. She’s so talented and I really admire her for re-recording her albums. I really enjoy the adult versions better. I also loved how Better Man and Babe are on the new Red album.
I’ve seen that too but that seems a little far fetched to me. I thought from the short film it seemed like short hand for how serious she thought the relationship was—that she literally left her scarf at his sister’s house because she knew she’d be back for some family event. But he saw it as a more casual fling and broke things off when she was pushing for a more serious/equal relationship.
But I know virtually nothing about Taylor Swift! I’ve just been intrigued by all this
Post by rupertpenny on Nov 15, 2021 21:03:23 GMT -5
Are there songwriter who don’t mine their personal life, including romantic relationships, for inspiration? I don’t really think Taylor is an outlier in that regard, she just happens to be insanely famous and quite prolific.
As she’s gotten older she has leaned away from this as well. There are no ex boyfriend songs on Folklore or Evermore, maybe not on Lover or Reputation either. The songs about Jake are back in the news because she is re-recording her masters, but they are still songs she wrote a decade ago when she was very young.
Add to that stories about people like John Mayer. In her memoir Jessica Simpson said that he admitted to fucking around with her because keeping himself in a state of angst was great for his songwriting. As far as I know Taylor has never actively harmed someone for the sake of her art, just possibly embarrassed them after the fact.
Thank you lol. I also agree with your other post above. It’s not that deep y’all. This is what artists do. And all famous people deal with trolls and shit, not just men that Taylor’s fans hate.
Thank you lol. I also agree with your other post above. It’s not that deep y’all. This is what artists do. And all famous people deal with trolls and shit, not just men that Taylor’s fans hate.
Agreed. The Chicks’ latest album lit Natalie’s ex fully aflame, with no fucks to give. And it’s a fantastic album.
I don't think 20 and 29 (or 25 and 40) is automatically predatory. But when we're talking about a rich and powerful guy who ONLY dates younger women, that's creepy. (Looking at you, too, Leo.)
The criticism I heard today was why is she still singing about a relationship she had 10 years ago? And I think that it’s written for all the women that have ever been in a relationship like that. Where you thought it was something it wasn’t and how the other person says all the right things to get what they want and then they tell you you’re too immature or some shit. Most women have seen this play out or been adjacent to someone who has gone thru this.
I was just out to dinner with a friend who is happily married who went thru a horrible break up before meeting her now husband and she still talks about that relationship (and this was about 10 years ago). It wrecked her. Not saying that Jake did that to Taylor, but it’s that type of man that just evokes raw emotion. I’m here for the spilling of painful emotions post relationship and looking back at what you thought it was and realizing with age and experience that you weren’t the only immature one in the relationship. I’m enjoying watching her age and come into her own.
I hate that I went and watched the new video because of everything I'm seeing on the internet. You do you, Swifties, but I have never really connected with her or her music.
I don't think 20 and 29 (or 25 and 40) is automatically predatory. But when we're talking about a rich and powerful guy who ONLY dates younger women, that's creepy. (Looking at you, too, Leo.)
Is that what he’s doing, though? I have not followed his dating history, but I just googled and he’s dated Reese Witherspoon, Minka Kelly, Natalie Portman and Kirsten Dunst. Those were the bigger names I’ve recognized, there were a few others I didn’t know and googled them and they were in their 30s.
According to my Internet sleuthing (lol), since he and Taylor broke up, his serious girlfriends have been 23, 23, and 22 when he started dating them. And one of his spokespeople gave this cringe statement when news broke that he was dating his current GF, who was a 22 at the time: “Jeanne is very mature for her age. She's quirky, smart and loves history, reading; she’s a really great and well-rounded person.” 🤮
The criticism I heard today was why is she still singing about a relationship she had 10 years ago? And I think that it’s written for all the women that have ever been in a relationship like that. Where you thought it was something it wasn’t and how the other person says all the right things to get what they want and then they tell you you’re too immature or some shit. Most women have seen this play out or been adjacent to someone who has gone thru this.
Which is obnoxious because how many bands play their same hits for decades? Often about relationships. No one is complaining that The Rolling Stones are playing 55 year old songs in their 2021 concerts. But some woman sings a song about a man and suddenly there is a time limit. I’m not a pop music person but it always seems like when there is some trend primarily women enjoy, people can’t wait to trash it.
I've always been convinced that some of her relationships were fakes to keep Taylor in the news and keep people talking about her.
If they were, good for her! Very “golden age of Hollywood”. Risky move since people are so nasty to her about it but she also really has a strong fan base.
I feel like I'm late, but the Calvin Harris issue was he said on a late show that they never worked together. And she was like "WTF?" and then dropped him like a hot potato. THEN said, btw, this name on the song he did with Rhinannon, was her pen name for song writing.
The track became a point of contention upon its release, when Harris—in response to being asked about the possibility of collaborating with Swift during an interview with Ryan Seacrest—said that he "can't see it happening."
Post by irishbride2 on Nov 16, 2021 9:23:50 GMT -5
My first serious boyfriend dumped me right after my 21st bday, and we had only been dating a few months. I can totally relate to being that age and the devastation that comes with it. I have zero issue with TS writing about that. I think ts great and I would have jammed to it when I was going through that. That is a rollercoaster of emotions, and being that young is rough!
But like I said earlier, it's her 30-year-old fans that are reacting to that song like they are a 20-year-old going through the breakup of a short-term, emotionally young relationship that has me baffled.
Taylor is a genius. But her rabid fans, especially the elder millennials, scare me a little. I've had to take a break from social media because I feel like all of my feeds are fellow Elder Millennials having breakdowns over someone elses' old relationships. The number of posts I've seen ranking her exes and such is incredible.