Post by definitelyO on Feb 26, 2023 17:53:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't be happy AND if the city and HOA don't allow - then I'd be supportive of them not allowing the rental. But I wouldn't pile on and would stay out of any direct online pile-ons.
I stay out of Next Door Drama…but internally, I would side with the people who are against it. If people who have strong feelings really want it to be allowed, then they should go to the city and the HOA to get the policies changed. But as long as there are rules against it, then I think those rules should be followed.
Post by goldengirlz on Feb 26, 2023 19:14:48 GMT -5
I’m also a rule follower. If you don’t like the HOA rules, don’t buy a home in that HOA.
Beyond that, I assume by short-term rentals, you’re talking about AirBNB/VRBO-type rentals? I can’t blame people for being concerned about noise and parties; it’s the top complaint hosts get.
I would be against it, largely because the HOA and city prohibit it. It’s not going to end well, especially if they get shut down while paying guests are staying there.
If it’s illegal per the city then that means the owners wouldn’t be issued a permit so it’s an unlicensed rental and therefore not paying appropriate license fees and taxes, likely inadequate insurance. In a lot of municipalities the issuing city wound also check for HOA approval. I definitely wouldn’t want my neighbors to try this.
However, I don’t think Nextdoor is the place to address this (or really anything of importance).
Huge no from me as someone who's lived across the street from a full-time Air B&B rental that caused many, many headaches for the neighborhood before the city acted on its ordinances and shut it down. Aside from the noise/traffic/trash nuisances these cause, housing in my area (Salt Lake City) has rapidly become unaffordable for even middle-income residents. These rentals are making the housing situation worse here and in a lot of other markets.
I would be camp 1 (if you want a short term rental, sell that house and buy where it’s legal), but if I were the back neighbor, I wouldn’t be posting on Next Door because then it would be assumed it was me if anyone reported it to the city. I would report it to the city in their shoes if there were noise violations or unsafe conditions.
I really hate what short term rentals have done to communities and housing availability.
I am asking a genuine question, not trying to be snarky.
Why do people hate having Airbnbs in their neighborhoods? I use Airbnb almost exclusively when I travel and love it. I thought a lot of people on these boards did as well? If you are a regular user of Airbnb why would you be opposed to them in your own neighborhood, but use them in someone else's?
I am asking a genuine question, not trying to be snarky.
Why do people hate having Airbnbs in their neighborhoods? I use Airbnb almost exclusively when I travel and love it. I thought a lot of people on these boards did as well? If you are a regular user of Airbnb why would you be opposed to them in your own neighborhood, but use them in someone else's?
I don’t use them or want them around.
They can have similar effects as gentrification and can push out residents in favor of landlords looking to make money on short term rentals. Landlords will opt to make more money on Airbnb than renting to people who would be actual community members. They often bypass tax and regulatory obligations that actual hotels would have to follow.
For all the reasons tacokick mentioned; however, I do use VRBO to search for vacation rentals that are actual vacation rentals, like condos in beach towns that are intended to function as a vacation rental, not a home. Many are managed by an agency so if the agency is listed (often the picture of the logo instead of the owner's picture), I book directly through the agency.
I use airbnb or vrbo for vacation rentals all the time; I get a condo or house in a beach town, a loft in a neighborhood in a city, etc., where hotels are far out of my budget. I love exploring new places this way, but I honestly never thought of how it impacts the actual community members and the housing crisis. Thanks for sharing the article.
I am asking a genuine question, not trying to be snarky.
Why do people hate having Airbnbs in their neighborhoods? I use Airbnb almost exclusively when I travel and love it. I thought a lot of people on these boards did as well? If you are a regular user of Airbnb why would you be opposed to them in your own neighborhood, but use them in someone else's?
I don’t use them or want them around.
They can have similar effects as gentrification and can push out residents in favor of landlords looking to make money on short term rentals. Landlords will opt to make more money on Airbnb than renting to people who would be actual community members. They often bypass tax and regulatory obligations that actual hotels would have to follow.
All of this. They are a scourge on the community. I bite my tongue (or fingers?) when people post about staying in one. Or scooping up a property to turn into one.
For all the reasons tacokick mentioned; however, I do use VRBO to search for vacation rentals that are actual vacation rentals, like condos in beach towns that are intended to function as a vacation rental, not a home. Many are managed by an agency so if the agency is listed (often the picture of the logo instead of the owner's picture), I book directly through the agency.
I was just coming back to say this, I have rented vacation houses but through agencies like people did in the olden days. Honestly, I would prefer it even if I didn’t have ethical issues with AirBnB—there are always real people around to deal with any problems or give advice. It’s often cheaper too! Fewer fees.
A lot of villas here use Airbnbs. Apparently tourists are more comfortable booking through Airbnb than they are through local agencies. I will use it here the first ime I stay somewhere as that is the only way tog et lots of these villes, but after that, I get a number from the host and book directly through them if I am going back.
But those are for places in communities that are designed for renting, not in residential areas.
I am asking a genuine question, not trying to be snarky.
Why do people hate having Airbnbs in their neighborhoods? I use Airbnb almost exclusively when I travel and love it. I thought a lot of people on these boards did as well? If you are a regular user of Airbnb why would you be opposed to them in your own neighborhood, but use them in someone else's?
As others have said, short term rentals are owned by investors so there’s no “neighborly” presence, home prices go up. Most guests are groups of people and sometimes you’ll get parties and shenanigans.
For full disclosure, we own a short term rental, it’s a condo in the commercial district so we’re not bothering the neighbors (who are retail and other rentals).
I live in an area not known for really being a tourist destination, but some neighborhoods have big with larger yards. No HOA though. In one such neighborhood there was a house turned into an AirBNB and it's caused a ton of problems. It's been rented out as a "party house" where large groups of people are coming in from out of town for weekend events. The cops have been called over and over and there have been arrests for raping minors. It's been shut down, thank goodness.
In our latest neighborhood happy hour, a neighbor talked about how a house up our street rents out a room on Airbnb and shared a link. Owners still stay there, you just have a private room. It has 1k positive reviews and when we clicked in further, nearly all the reviews are from people who live in our metro area.
We’re in a nonwalkable suburb—not a destination. So why are so many locales staying there?
We decided that we’ll all put in $20 and draw a name to spend the night there to find out what’s up 😂
I am so off AirBnb after formerly being a big fan years ago. Additional fees and clean-it-yourself is such bullshit. Give me the Holiday Inn any day of the week!
We stay in a lot of airbnbs when we travel because having separate rooms for us and our kids makes travel much more pleasant. It also save us money because having a full kitchen means we can prep some of our own meals. We mostly rent from superhosts and read reviews carefully and look at the fees they want for cleaning and whatnot.
Hopefully at some point we can switch to using hotels more, but getting a suite with a kitchen is often more expensive than an airbnb nearby
I am asking a genuine question, not trying to be snarky.
Why do people hate having Airbnbs in their neighborhoods? I use Airbnb almost exclusively when I travel and love it. I thought a lot of people on these boards did as well? If you are a regular user of Airbnb why would you be opposed to them in your own neighborhood, but use them in someone else's?
They displace actual long-term residents that contribute to the fabric of neighborhoods and they artificially raise rents. If they have a permit and are allowed, that is one thing, but most don't and aren't. They don't pay applicable local taxes and fees, which my personal City needs.
They are also often loud and annoying, LOL.
ETA - sorry, didn't mean to respond repeating everything others have said. Posts didn't load for some reason.
We stay in a lot of airbnbs when we travel because having separate rooms for us and our kids makes travel much more pleasant. It also save us money because having a full kitchen means we can prep some of our own meals. We mostly rent from superhosts and read reviews carefully and look at the fees they want for cleaning and whatnot.
Hopefully at some point we can switch to using hotels more, but getting a suite with a kitchen is often more expensive than an airbnb nearby
It is often less expensive because they aren't paying the taxes they should be paying. Would you want one as a neighbor?
I have an Airbnb (lelaniluxury.com) in a community dedicated to vacation rentals. I'd vote no Airbnb because it's not allowed. Also, people staying in Airbnbs are generally on vacation and will be louder than normal and not know the community so they do things like park in inconvenient spots, leave trash in the wrong location, etc.