I have an Airbnb (lelaniluxury.com) in a community dedicated to vacation rentals. I'd vote no Airbnb because it's not allowed. Also, people staying in Airbnbs are generally on vacation and will be louder than normal and not know the community so they do things like park in inconvenient spots, leave trash in the wrong location, etc.
I have an Airbnb (lelaniluxury.com) in a community dedicated to vacation rentals. I'd vote no Airbnb because it's not allowed. Also, people staying in Airbnbs are generally on vacation and will be louder than normal and not know the community so they do things like park in inconvenient spots, leave trash in the wrong location, etc.
So, you here to hype your STR?
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The name of her website was super relevant to the discussion
I have an Airbnb (lelaniluxury.com) in a community dedicated to vacation rentals. I'd vote no Airbnb because it's not allowed. Also, people staying in Airbnbs are generally on vacation and will be louder than normal and not know the community so they do things like park in inconvenient spots, leave trash in the wrong location, etc.
So, you here to hype your STR?
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I have been here 10+ years but don't comment much. I thought I had some insight to offer on this discussion. I'm darn proud of my property so I thought I'd mention it. Also, when I initially started, I had asked for input on theming but I think that was in other GBCN boards.
Everyone is 💯 sidestepping the question of why it’s ok for you to use an air bnb in someone else’s neighborhood even though you don’t want anyone to use one in YOUR neighborhood. Lol - this place!
Everyone is 💯 sidestepping the question of why it’s ok for you to use an air bnb in someone else’s neighborhood even though you don’t want anyone to use one in YOUR neighborhood. Lol - this place!
Everyone is 💯 sidestepping the question of why it’s ok for you to use an air bnb in someone else’s neighborhood even though you don’t want anyone to use one in YOUR neighborhood. Lol - this place!
Everyone is 💯 sidestepping the question of why it’s ok for you to use an air bnb in someone else’s neighborhood even though you don’t want anyone to use one in YOUR neighborhood. Lol - this place!
THIS was the point I was trying to make, lol. Like, I would be a hypocrite since I stay in airbnbs wherever we go for reasons that work best for my family (though I will think about it more now that I know some of the shady things going on) to also say "hell no to airbnbs in my neighborhood!" (then again I live in a very rural area and my family and friends rent out their second homes as airbnbs all the time...)
Everyone is 💯 sidestepping the question of why it’s ok for you to use an air bnb in someone else’s neighborhood even though you don’t want anyone to use one in YOUR neighborhood. Lol - this place!
I didn’t! I have never used them and don’t want them locally! It’s never been an ethical business model.
I rent from agents in tourist areas in zoned places for short term rentals. Or I stay in a hotel. It’s very easy to do! It’s what basically everyone did until a short time ago.
Everyone is 💯 sidestepping the question of why it’s ok for you to use an air bnb in someone else’s neighborhood even though you don’t want anyone to use one in YOUR neighborhood. Lol - this place!
I didn’t! I have never used them and don’t want them locally! It’s never been an ethical business model.
I rent from agents in tourist areas in zoned places for short term rentals. Or I stay in a hotel. It’s very easy to do! It’s what basically everyone did until a short time ago.
admittedly I come from a family that never stayed in hotels and we always rented houses whenever we traveled. I HATED it as a kid because it seemed like a hotel was luxurious vs staying in someone's house, lol.
Well, we just booked our Airbnbs for a trip to Italy this summer - guess I should have read this first 😬 We love booking them for international travel, you can get some incredible places. But I guess we need to rethink for future trips.
I didn’t! I have never used them and don’t want them locally! It’s never been an ethical business model.
I rent from agents in tourist areas in zoned places for short term rentals. Or I stay in a hotel. It’s very easy to do! It’s what basically everyone did until a short time ago.
admittedly I come from a family that never stayed in hotels and we always rented houses whenever we traveled. I HATED it as a kid because it seemed like a hotel was luxurious vs staying in someone's house, lol.
We always stayed in very cheap motels. Some had pools though! I loved upgrading to a hotel as an adult.
I bet a lot of the houses your family rented were in regulated areas unless they were renting from people they knew personally. That was pretty much the only way to even find a house to rent until the rise of Airbnb.
I didn’t! I have never used them and don’t want them locally! It’s never been an ethical business model.
I rent from agents in tourist areas in zoned places for short term rentals. Or I stay in a hotel. It’s very easy to do! It’s what basically everyone did until a short time ago.
admittedly I come from a family that never stayed in hotels and we always rented houses whenever we traveled. I HATED it as a kid because it seemed like a hotel was luxurious vs staying in someone's house, lol.
But did they just rent from random people or through property rental companies? I'm not trying to be like "Won't someone please think of the poor hotel companies or property rental firms?!??," but they have to abide by local hotel-related regulations whereas Joe from 123 Main Street does not. Plenty of hotels offer suite options with kitchens now and we've only ever rented vacation homes from property firms in legit vacation communities where we're not depriving full-time residents of a reasonably-priced home to buy or rent. Maybe they are more expensive, but I'm not entitled to a cheapass vacation just because that's what I want. Shit costs money.
And this is one of the many reasons why I really hate this "sharing" economy so much. Regulations aren't 100% perfect or necessary but most of them exist for a reason and these disruptor companies are just trying to skirt the law and make things worse for society as a whole. Airbnb. Uber/Lyft. Swimply. Turo. Just stop already. #getoffmylawn
I think cities have the right to zone however they want and property owners should abide by those zoning rules. If citizens don’t like the zoning rules, there’s a process they can follow to get it changed.
Personally, I hate vacationing in hotels @ now that we have kids and even more so with covid. Shared hallways, air exchanges, and elevators and no place to make kid food or put a kid down for a nap? No thank you. That said, we’re only staying in places that are clearly zoned for short term rentals, surrounded by other short term rentals, and are professionally managed. We have to plan a trip to see family in a non-tourist city this summer and I’m really torn where to stay because I’m not super comfortable with the covid risk of a hotel but that basically leaves only a very different type of rental than we’re used to and I don’t love that for all the reasons mentioned up thread.
Everyone is 💯 sidestepping the question of why it’s ok for you to use an air bnb in someone else’s neighborhood even though you don’t want anyone to use one in YOUR neighborhood. Lol - this place!
I assume the difference is that if you have an airBNB in your neighborhood you never know who you are going to get coming in and causing problems. When we stay at an airBNB we've always been very careful about following the rules on parking, trash disposal, being quiet, and basically treating the place like we do our own home. So we are not visiting other places and disrupting the neighbors.
I have a lot of mixed feelings about airBNBs. We really have loved the experiences we've had using them - they are a very different feel for the local culture and experience than staying in a hotel, which in many cases feels like you could be anywhere in the world and have about the same experience. They also do make travel more accessible for budget travelers. But the impact on local communities and their housing prices is a huge downside and doesn't really align with my personal values, either.
I would not be happy with short term rentals but would stay out of it. A houses few doors down from my DD's was an AirBnB and they just busted the owners for drug trafficking.
admittedly I come from a family that never stayed in hotels and we always rented houses whenever we traveled. I HATED it as a kid because it seemed like a hotel was luxurious vs staying in someone's house, lol.
We always stayed in very cheap motels. Some had pools though! I loved upgrading to a hotel as an adult.
I bet a lot of the houses your family rented were in regulated areas unless they were renting from people they knew personally. That was pretty much the only way to even find a house to rent until the rise of Airbnb.
admittedly I come from a family that never stayed in hotels and we always rented houses whenever we traveled. I HATED it as a kid because it seemed like a hotel was luxurious vs staying in someone's house, lol.
But did they just rent from random people or through property rental companies?
I think they did a combination of things; agencies if they were affordable, friends and a lot of "friends of friends (of friends...)" kind of thing. We did rental agencies when traveling out of country most of the time, but I specifically remember doing a house swap with a friend of someone my dad carpooled with in Montreal. It felt weird at first going into someone's full time house and knowing they were in our house, too. My parents were thrifty but also really adventurous, lol.
admittedly I come from a family that never stayed in hotels and we always rented houses whenever we traveled. I HATED it as a kid because it seemed like a hotel was luxurious vs staying in someone's house, lol.
But did they just rent from random people or through property rental companies? I'm not trying to be like "Won't someone please think of the poor hotel companies or property rental firms?!??," but they have to abide by local hotel-related regulations whereas Joe from 123 Main Street does not. Plenty of hotels offer suite options with kitchens now and we've only ever rented vacation homes from property firms in legit vacation communities where we're not depriving full-time residents of a reasonably-priced home to buy or rent. Maybe they are more expensive, but I'm not entitled to a cheapass vacation just because that's what I want. Shit costs money.
And this is one of the many reasons why I really hate this "sharing" economy so much. Regulations aren't 100% perfect or necessary but most of them exist for a reason and these disruptor companies are just trying to skirt the law and make things worse for society as a whole. Airbnb. Uber/Lyft. Swimply. Turo. Just stop already. #getoffmylawn
To add to this rant it also seems like these businesses are simply not sustainable financially. Take away the VC and they can't operate like they used to. They are just not viable!
Examples: Uber, WeWork (possibly Airbnb but my mind might be playing tricks on me)
But did they just rent from random people or through property rental companies? I'm not trying to be like "Won't someone please think of the poor hotel companies or property rental firms?!??," but they have to abide by local hotel-related regulations whereas Joe from 123 Main Street does not. Plenty of hotels offer suite options with kitchens now and we've only ever rented vacation homes from property firms in legit vacation communities where we're not depriving full-time residents of a reasonably-priced home to buy or rent. Maybe they are more expensive, but I'm not entitled to a cheapass vacation just because that's what I want. Shit costs money.
And this is one of the many reasons why I really hate this "sharing" economy so much. Regulations aren't 100% perfect or necessary but most of them exist for a reason and these disruptor companies are just trying to skirt the law and make things worse for society as a whole. Airbnb. Uber/Lyft. Swimply. Turo. Just stop already. #getoffmylawn
To add to this rant it also seems like these businesses are simply not sustainable financially. Take away the VC and they can't operate like they used to. They are just not viable!
Examples: Uber, WeWork (possibly Airbnb but my mind might be playing tricks on me)
And they sell themselves as companies just trying to do the kind-hearted thing of allowing individuals to make money, but then look who ends up getting involved, particularly with Airbnb - companies. Companies that get to shirk regulations they'd otherwise have to follow because they use Airbnb.
To be clear, I'm personally not attacking anyone who has used or will use Airbnb. I get the allure. But I also find them completely unnecessary wherever we've traveled, even as a family of 4 that wants separate spaces and a kitchen.
The only place I ever stay in an AirBnB anymore is when I visit my family in the buttcrack of nowhere NE. The hotels are 20+ miles from the family, and are incredibly shitty (interstate drug areas). The 2 houses that have been turned to AirBnBs are former rentals that have sat vacant, or former houses that have been sitting vacant (one is a super small historic farmhouse that was moved into town to a vacant lot). There's no housing shortage because no one wants to live there. Other than this very specific area, I vastly prefer hotels.
Post by goldengirlz on Mar 1, 2023 10:31:12 GMT -5
I think there are a few issues here.
-Permitted vs. illegal AirBNBs
-Vacation spot vs. residential neighborhood
-Owner-managed vs. property company managed (even Marriott is in the house rental business now)
At any rate, I’m not a big user of AirBNB, but I did use them a few times in 2020/21. For obvious pandemic-related reasons. I’ve never stayed in one that didn’t have a short term occupancy certificate displayed on the wall, and have never (and will never) book one in a place like NYC, where they’re highly restricted and the majority are illegal. We also purposefully looked for ones WITHOUT neighbors because that was the whole appeal for us. In general, we prefer hotels but I definitely see the appeal, especially with a group.
I really appreciate all of the information shared here about Airbnb and the likes. I really honestly did not think about a lot of this and it will 100% impact my decision making going forward when I travel.
Everyone is 💯 sidestepping the question of why it’s ok for you to use an air bnb in someone else’s neighborhood even though you don’t want anyone to use one in YOUR neighborhood. Lol - this place!
FWIW I don't have a problem with the specific Airbnb's in my neighborhood. There aren't enough to be an issue for things like overall housing costs in Santiago, and in this area it's mostly apartment buildings where each building has its rules, so if it's a problem for other residents it wouldn't be unusual to add the rule of no short term rentals. So in OP's situation if the HOA says no, that's that, and it's frustrating that someone is trying to get around that rule and they should be shut down.
I understand the global issues and that the decent people who use the service in ways that don't negatively impact others don't erase those issues, just answering this direct point.
99% of the time I have absolutely zero inclination to rent a house where I get to cook for my family while on vacation. I'm not staying 9 miles from Disney when I go to Disney. I want easy, breezy vacation and that usually means being in a hotel where we show up somewhere and eat and are usually walking distance from the things we want to see and/or dining.
The only place I ever stay in an AirBnB anymore is when I visit my family in the buttcrack of nowhere NE. The hotels are 20+ miles from the family, and are incredibly shitty (interstate drug areas). The 2 houses that have been turned to AirBnBs are former rentals that have sat vacant, or former houses that have been sitting vacant (one is a super small historic farmhouse that was moved into town to a vacant lot). There's no housing shortage because no one wants to live there. Other than this very specific area, I vastly prefer hotels.
Ditto.
Why would I want to stay at a place that makes me do laundry and dishes?
And often, after cleaning fees and other stuff is added in, hotels are cheaper.
The only place I ever stay in an AirBnB anymore is when I visit my family in the buttcrack of nowhere NE. The hotels are 20+ miles from the family, and are incredibly shitty (interstate drug areas). The 2 houses that have been turned to AirBnBs are former rentals that have sat vacant, or former houses that have been sitting vacant (one is a super small historic farmhouse that was moved into town to a vacant lot). There's no housing shortage because no one wants to live there. Other than this very specific area, I vastly prefer hotels.
Ditto.
Why would I want to stay at a place that makes me do laundry and dishes?
And often, after cleaning fees and other stuff is added in, hotels are cheaper.
The only place I ever stay in an AirBnB anymore is when I visit my family in the buttcrack of nowhere NE. The hotels are 20+ miles from the family, and are incredibly shitty (interstate drug areas). The 2 houses that have been turned to AirBnBs are former rentals that have sat vacant, or former houses that have been sitting vacant (one is a super small historic farmhouse that was moved into town to a vacant lot). There's no housing shortage because no one wants to live there. Other than this very specific area, I vastly prefer hotels.
Ditto.
Why would I want to stay at a place that makes me do laundry and dishes?
And often, after cleaning fees and other stuff is added in, hotels are cheaper.
Yup. The more articles I read about crazy chore lists, the more comfortable I am with my stance to avoid them.
Why would I want to stay at a place that makes me do laundry and dishes?
And often, after cleaning fees and other stuff is added in, hotels are cheaper.
@ Three words: Potty training toddler. ðŸ˜
Or just packing light and being able to wash my clothes instead of bringing an entire week’s worth of clothing and then hauling back dirty clothes in my suitcase.
I like that I can hang out with my friends in a living room setting instead of having to go down to a lobby or one of us be in their cramped ass hotel room with nowhere to sit.
I understand why they’re problematic but I can definitely see their appeal.
Post by basilosaurus on Mar 2, 2023 10:37:51 GMT -5
I've stayed in some really interesting places that no chain hotel can match. Mostly, though, it's a condo/apartment situation.
I like having a fridge for leftovers, and laundry because I tend to travel for longer time periods now and hate having a large bag. I've also been known to drop off laundry for same day service. It's easy and cheap in most areas I've been traveling.
I wouldn't mind in most neighborhoods where I've lived as long as there weren't noise issues.
I often use AirBNB to search for vacation rentals in tourist towns (mountains or beach areas where there aren't a lot of hotels) and then book directly with the rental agency that's in the listing. We usually save a few hundred dollars booking with the rental agency over AirBNB.
Cleaning up in a rental is pretty typical, but usually it's take out the trash, start the dishwasher, and throw a load of towels or sheets into the wash before you leave. We stayed in one place that wanted you to wash, dry, and fold the sheets, which was a huge waste of my time on vacation!
In a city, I typically prefer to stay in a hotel, but I really wish more hotels had suite options. I really, really need a separate sleeping area from my kids. It's so damn difficult to search for these options and so many places that call themselves suites don't even have a door between the bedroom and living room area. (Can you tell I'm trying to book a place for travelling with my family right now and I'm very frustrated?)
bears, They aren't fancy at all but Springhill Suites has been the most affordable and consistent real suite option, IME, if there is one in the right location for you. They have 2 bedroom suites with actual bedrooms and tend to be really affordable.