I wish more than anything Disney would be like, "Cool. We out." I know it will never but happen but a girl can dream.
I know it'd never happen but I REALLY wish it would.
People need to stop visiting FL, stop spending their money there and supporting a fascist wannabe dictator and all of his minions.
This kind of attitude drives me kind of nuts. Who is that going to hurt? The people that live in Florida trying to make a living. It’s not going to hurt DeSantis. He will be fine no matter what.
Now do people need to stop voting for these horrible human beings? Yes. Would I move to the south if I didn’t already live here? Probably not. I’m here though so all I can do is try to change it. People visiting/not visiting isn’t going to change a thing.
I’m also kind of curious what people think big cities like Houston or Orlando are like. I’ve never visited anywhere as diverse as my own city (except maybe NYC). That includes places like San Francisco and Boston.
Make no mistake. I am in no way defending DeSantis. He alone is succeeding in making Florida policies awful. I won’t write off the whole state though and am looking forward to the day someone more reasonable is in power. Texas, too.
I know it'd never happen but I REALLY wish it would.
People need to stop visiting FL, stop spending their money there and supporting a fascist wannabe dictator and all of his minions.
Do you remember the thread a few weeks ago of people saying where they want to retire? Plenty had Florida on that list.
Which board, and have they been a part of the climate disaster threads here? Because I cannot fathom wasting my money to move to FL only for everything to either flood or be destroyed in a hurricane.
If businesses and individuals stop giving money to a location, it will prove a point. But yes, it doesn't help the people who don't have any options but to live there.
So many companies have conferences at Disney, so many schools attend events there. If they went to another state it would make a difference and maybe impact people's bank accounts and convince some people who only vote with $$ in mind that maybe they shouldn't be blindly voting for R assholes.
Re: people wanting to move there…. It’s still very much a swing state, and if enough Dems move there we could take it back.
H and I are Floridians living out of state and we have maintained our voter registration in FL (we can because of being military) because FL can use all the D voters it can get right now.
ETA: I’m not implying that anyone endangered by recent racist/anti-gay/anti-trans/anti-abortion bullshit should move to Florida and put themselves or their family at risk just to swing the state blue. But if people with the privilege to not be impacted WANT to move there, and they happen to be Dem voters…it would be welcomed.
I know it'd never happen but I REALLY wish it would.
People need to stop visiting FL, stop spending their money there and supporting a fascist wannabe dictator and all of his minions.
Do you remember the thread a few weeks ago of people saying where they want to retire? Plenty had Florida on that list.
Right? And I don’t hate the south or the people who live there, but it’s wild to me the amount of privilege someone has to have in Feb 2023 to think moving to Florida in a decade or 2 sounds great when the state is mid-genocide and also about to fall into the rising ocean. That is very different from already living there and working to make it better or being stuck without alternate options. And frankly it feels pretty shitty since I’m now wary of even visiting my ILs there because of fear that being in state could threaten my family’s safety.
I just looked up and saw that Disney is headquartered in California. A lot the content they have on TV and movies is not represented in the parks anyways so it seems like Disney could sidestep this issue for now. Not that any of this is the right way to approach things, and of course I don't put it past the FL governor to claim he has powers that he clearly doesn't have.
ETA - I see ggirl was posting a similar message. Like there is an episode of Doc McStuffins where there are 2 moms. Does DeSantis now think he can force Disney to get rid of Doc McStuffins from the parks? She's probably on her way out of the parks anyways if she's not already gone because she is on Disney Jr. and they tend to have the newer Disney Jr. show characters in the parks.
I think it's more about leveraging power over the special area to control wider elements of Disney. Disney goes to the board because they need permission from it to do something with that FL land and the board slaps back with, "we won't approve this project unless you get rid of that libtard crap in the gift shop. Or stop airing XYZ show. Or add a good, strong, white male character to XYZ show." Whatever they think they can get away with, given the size of the FL project that Disney wants.
ggirl this is exactly the logic. It isn’t about whether they can technically control their content through the levers they do have at their disposal. It’s not even so much that they can accomplish this objective but it should be very concerning to anyone familiar with the slide toward fascism that it is being attempted and that the desire to do this sort of thing is being voiced out loud as part of a campaign platform.
5 years ago having LGBTQ+ characters in children’s programming was only just really starting to be normalized. It’s still really a handful of representations and inadequate obviously but the fact that in the course of just a few years this has gone from a neutral-good thing corporations can do to up their DEI credibility to something the government wants to actually censor so no kids anywhere are allowed to be exposed to it (despite parents largely having control over what their own kids watch) is fucking chilling. Even those of us who have watched this in real time find it terrifying, so I hope it is doubly so for people who don’t have the same exposure to just how bad things have gotten.
Do you remember the thread a few weeks ago of people saying where they want to retire? Plenty had Florida on that list.
Right? And I don’t hate the south or the people who live there, but it’s wild to me the amount of privilege someone has to have in Feb 2023 to think moving to Florida in a decade or 2 sounds great when the state is mid-genocide and also about to fall into the rising ocean. That is very different from already living there and working to make it better or being stuck without alternate options. And frankly it feels pretty shitty since I’m now wary of even visiting my ILs there because of fear that being in state could threaten my family’s safety.
If businesses and individuals stop giving money to a location, it will prove a point. But yes, it doesn't help the people who don't have any options but to live there.
So many companies have conferences at Disney, so many schools attend events there. If they went to another state it would make a difference and maybe impact people's bank accounts and convince some people who only vote with $$ in mind that maybe they shouldn't be blindly voting for R assholes.
California has already banned state-funded travel to Florida (and a large number of other states.) oag.ca.gov/ab1887
It seems to have accomplished … exactly nothing. Believe me, I hope businesses and blue states keep pushing on this. But I’m cynical and not holding my breath.
If businesses and individuals stop giving money to a location, it will prove a point. But yes, it doesn't help the people who don't have any options but to live there.
So many companies have conferences at Disney, so many schools attend events there. If they went to another state it would make a difference and maybe impact people's bank accounts and convince some people who only vote with $$ in mind that maybe they shouldn't be blindly voting for R assholes.
California has already banned state-funded travel to Florida (and a large number of other states.) oag.ca.gov/ab1887
It seems to have accomplished … exactly nothing. Believe me, I hope businesses and blue states keep pushing on this. But I’m cynical and not holding my breath.
I’m definitely hoping the military will make some kind of stance about basing in FL (and TX, AL, MS, and any of the other states with fuckery going on), but I don’t see us being able to uproot all of those bases.
Right now the AF is working SO HARD to increase diversity, especially in flying occupations. But where are flying training bases located? TX, MS, FL, OK, AL. They are going to have a hell of a time getting diverse applicants to want to be based in those states. Hell, if I was a 20-something year old right now as a straight, white, cis woman, I wouldn’t want to be stationed somewhere with an abortion ban.
California has already banned state-funded travel to Florida (and a large number of other states.) oag.ca.gov/ab1887
It seems to have accomplished … exactly nothing. Believe me, I hope businesses and blue states keep pushing on this. But I’m cynical and not holding my breath.
I’m definitely hoping the military will make some kind of stance about basing in FL (and TX, AL, MS, and any of the other states with fuckery going on), but I don’t see us being able to uproot all of those bases.
Right now the AF is working SO HARD to increase diversity, especially in flying occupations. But where are flying training bases located? TX, MS, FL, OK, AL. They are going to have a hell of a time getting diverse applicants to want to be based in those states. Hell, if I was a 20-something year old right now as a straight, white, cis woman, I wouldn’t want to be stationed somewhere with an abortion ban.
Frankly, the military has needed to pull out of TX for a long while. The state government has made it clear they don't want Fed interference. Why do we keep giving them Fed money in the form of contracts, etc. It'd decimate TX economy, but... that's what they want?
If businesses and individuals stop giving money to a location, it will prove a point. But yes, it doesn't help the people who don't have any options but to live there.
So many companies have conferences at Disney, so many schools attend events there. If they went to another state it would make a difference and maybe impact people's bank accounts and convince some people who only vote with $$ in mind that maybe they shouldn't be blindly voting for R assholes.
California has already banned state-funded travel to Florida (and a large number of other states.) oag.ca.gov/ab1887
It seems to have accomplished … exactly nothing. Believe me, I hope businesses and blue states keep pushing on this. But I’m cynical and not holding my breath.
I feel like this is more to make a statement because there really isn't a ton of state funded travel to other states. I'm hoping that the Walgreens order will have a greater impact.
California has already banned state-funded travel to Florida (and a large number of other states.) oag.ca.gov/ab1887
It seems to have accomplished … exactly nothing. Believe me, I hope businesses and blue states keep pushing on this. But I’m cynical and not holding my breath.
I feel like this is more to make a statement because there really isn't a ton of state funded travel to other states. I'm hoping that the Walgreens order will have a greater impact.
I guess I’m not sure how the Walgreens decision will force companies out of Florida. All I can find are articles about California not doing business with them anymore. (Oh, California, you sure do try.)
I guess the reason I’m cynical is because there was all this talk about tech companies possibly pulling out of Texas, but that didn’t happen. The only company that returned to California (as far as I’m aware, someone correct me if I’m wrong) is none other than … Tesla. Seriously, Tesla. And I highly doubt it was for THAT reason.
I was on a tangent, Walgreens doesn't have anything to do with FL. I just respect that CA is taking a stand.
Exactly. At this point I think any and all action, even per formative or not that impactful, is better than the literal nothing most companies, organizations, states, leaders, and individuals are doing right now.
If you/your organization/your company etc made a statement about BLM in 2020 - even knowing that many of those statements weren’t backed up by any meaningful action - and they/you aren’t saying anything about queer genocide you are on the wrong side. The fact that we are expected to carry on as if this extermination campaign isn’t happening at work and at school and with our cishet friends is absolute insanity. There is so terribly little public acknowledgement.
WRT CA travel ban to certain states using state funds, its more of a statement. I worked for an org that got a lot of money from the state and when travel to Tx was banned, I asked why we were going to a conference in Tx since we were a particularly state funded org. I was told we would just use a different pot of money.
I was on a tangent, Walgreens doesn't have anything to do with FL. I just respect that CA is taking a stand.
Exactly. At this point I think any and all action, even per formative or not that impactful, is better than the literal nothing most companies, organizations, states, leaders, and individuals are doing right now.
If you/your organization/your company etc made a statement about BLM in 2020 - even knowing that many of those statements weren’t backed up by any meaningful action - and they/you aren’t saying anything about queer genocide you are on the wrong side. The fact that we are expected to carry on as if this extermination campaign isn’t happening at work and at school and with our cishet friends is absolute insanity. There is so terribly little public acknowledgement.
FYI - California's putting their money in this fight against Walgreens: California will not renew a $54 million contract with Walgreens, Gov. Gavin Newsom's (D) office announced on Wednesday.
Exactly. At this point I think any and all action, even per formative or not that impactful, is better than the literal nothing most companies, organizations, states, leaders, and individuals are doing right now.
If you/your organization/your company etc made a statement about BLM in 2020 - even knowing that many of those statements weren’t backed up by any meaningful action - and they/you aren’t saying anything about queer genocide you are on the wrong side. The fact that we are expected to carry on as if this extermination campaign isn’t happening at work and at school and with our cishet friends is absolute insanity. There is so terribly little public acknowledgement.
FYI - California's putting their money in this fight against Walgreens: California will not renew a $54 million contract with Walgreens, Gov. Gavin Newsom's (D) office announced on Wednesday.
Right this was referenced above too, but it doesn’t have to do with LGBTQ+ policies. The Walgreens policy is about abortion access. I am specifically talking about the topic of this thread.
Post by fortnightlily on Mar 9, 2023 8:08:38 GMT -5
It doesn't really touch on Disney but the Washington Post has an article today about parents fearing the right-wing turn Florida has taken in policies wapo.st/3YA7J96.
Post by maudefindlay on Mar 9, 2023 8:38:07 GMT -5
This is also retribution for Disney's covid precautions. DeSantis was pissed about their masking policy and this new board will ensure that never happens again.
I watched part of John Oliver's show last night - he did a piece on DeSantis. I already knew this, but GOD he is frightening. He really is a fascist wanna be.
I know it'd never happen but I REALLY wish it would.
People need to stop visiting FL, stop spending their money there and supporting a fascist wannabe dictator and all of his minions.
Oof. As a liberal living in a progressive city in Florida whose entire livelihood is based on the travel industry, this is a gut punch.
I get it, that's why it would make a difference. There's not much that out-of-staters can do to fight what's going on in red states except to not spend their money in those places.
I watched part of John Oliver's show last night - he did a piece on DeSantis. I already knew this, but GOD he is frightening. He really is a fascist wanna be.
He is dangerous. The money he threw behind candidates for school board in my county helped edge out the infinitely more qualified candidates. Believe me when I say we are the worse for it. All I can hope is that the Trump machine helps take him down before he can inflict this damage elsewhere/
I watched part of John Oliver's show last night - he did a piece on DeSantis. I already knew this, but GOD he is frightening. He really is a fascist wanna be.
He is dangerous. The money he threw behind candidates for school board in my county helped edge out the infinitely more qualified candidates. Believe me when I say we are the worse for it. All I can hope is that the Trump machine helps take him down before he can inflict this damage elsewhere/
He waded into our school board elections last year. Ick. Thankfully the biggest nut job didn't get elected but I hate how the school board races has become R vs D instead of just non partisan. I hate what he is doing to our state but I really don't want to unleash him on the country at large!