MO AG gender affirming care ban (@ in article)

[basilosaurus]

Ugh to the rainbow washing. I think that makes me madder than pink in October.

As to men can always tell, I had a kathooey (ladyboy) friend in Thailand who loved to tell me of guys who really had no idea. She'd had top and bottom surgery as well as other cosmetic procedures, but she didn't exactly "pass" which wasn't her goal anyway as she considered herself 3rd gender. She said it was mostly westerners and Chinese who didn't know; thais did which I found interesting.

Forcing someone to go through puberty is absolutely designed to make transitioning more difficult, painful, and expensive.

[chickadee77]

Apr 14, 2023 10:20:24 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Apr 14, 2023 9:42:03 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

This is probably frivolous sounding, but I don't mean it that way.

Last time I was in the states I was inundated with low t commercials with "virile" "masculine" men. I can see for just this one tx that had multiple users either being available to no one or requiring horrible genitalia checks.

I'm sure these assholes haven't even thought about how blanket bans affect those they're not trying to erase, but can that be used as a wedge?

It's not like pointing out Viagra being treated differently has ever done a thing

There are some circumstances where cisgender people of any sex are impacted by some of these laws (especially the ones requiring genetic testing or genitals checks for anyone who is suspected to be trans - which could be… basically any woman.) In terms of the medications, we expect that there will be a push to forbid “off label” use of HRT through the FDA & court system. I’m not knowledgeable about medicine to know what uses in cis populations are off label use, but many of these laws and regulations specify that they only apply to people with a “gender dysphoria” diagnosis, so absent court intervention for most of the current policies cis people (or intersex people) using the same meds and surgical interventions for not GD reasons are still legal.

I have heard of off-label use for heart conditions and relief from gout, particularly for men, since high T can adversely affect those conditions. I don't know a lot about it, though, admittedly.

[seeyalater52]

Apr 15, 2023 9:52:22 GMT -5 chickadee77 said:

Apr 14, 2023 10:20:24 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

There are some circumstances where cisgender people of any sex are impacted by some of these laws (especially the ones requiring genetic testing or genitals checks for anyone who is suspected to be trans - which could be… basically any woman.) In terms of the medications, we expect that there will be a push to forbid “off label” use of HRT through the FDA & court system. I’m not knowledgeable about medicine to know what uses in cis populations are off label use, but many of these laws and regulations specify that they only apply to people with a “gender dysphoria” diagnosis, so absent court intervention for most of the current policies cis people (or intersex people) using the same meds and surgical interventions for not GD reasons are still legal.

I have heard of off-label use for heart conditions and relief from gout, particularly for men, since high T can adversely affect those conditions. I don't know a lot about it, though, admittedly.

It really depends on what mechanisms are used to restrict care and how specific and narrowly they apply to trans vs cis people or what diagnoses they are permitted to treat. Right now most laws ban care associated with the gender dysphoria diagnosis so the impacts are limited to trans folks. Regulatory changes could be narrow or broader. Laws often get amended to be narrower but start out really sweeping and broad with poorly drafted language that categorically hand stuff they’re not trying to ban so it depends on how savvy legislators are and what is raised during the drafting process and through debate. For example, in banning gender affirming surgeries for minors legislatures have all created a specific carve out for intersex infants to ensure that they can continue to operate on them (nonconsensually) so that they conform physically to certain binary sex characteristics.

[wanderingback]

As we have seen with abortion care states can pass whatever laws they want. Yes testosterone and estrogen and puberty blockers are used in non gender affirming care, but that dosent mean they won’t find a way to dismantle this care just like they’ve done with abortion care. And that affects those who are most discriminated against the most (black people, young people, disabled people, etc), but ultimately affects all of us.

[jlt19]

Apr 14, 2023 14:25:15 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Apr 14, 2023 12:28:52 GMT -5 wildrice said:

seeyalater52 or anyone else, do you know of any specific organizations who are fighting these sorts of laws or offering help with medical care for those who are impacted? I saw the list of organizations recommended in another thread recently for various trans supporting organizations but IIRC I didn't see anything that was specific to the healthcare aspect.

If not don't worry about it, I'm sure I can find something, just wanted recs if you happen to know of one you'd prefer folks focus on.

My top pick right now for care assistance (paying for treatment and supporting transit and travel needs) is Campaign for Southern Equality. They work in a lot of states across the south and are also partnering with state and local groups to connect trans folks and their families to resources.

For legal definitely ACLU (national or if you know they’re working on a lawsuit in your state, they’re leading the majority of challenges to these laws)

I grew up across the street/went to HS with the wife of the Executive Director, ironically, in Missouri. I’ve been highly impressed for years at what she’s been able to accomplish, just from her wife’s bragging posts on FB.

I do a donation on the 15th of each month to a “current events” charity and request a company match, so this months was an easy choice.

I’m sorry my state sucks so very much.

[NewOrleans]

I am not sure where to put this. TW family separation

Florida’s House of Representatives passed a bill Wednesday that would let the state take transgender minors away from their families if they are receiving gender-affirming care.

The measure passed by a vote of 82–31. A previous version of the bill passed the Senate earlier this month by a vote of 27–12, and the amended version now goes back to the other chamber for a final vote. Governor Ron DeSantis has previously expressed support for the bill and will likely sign it into law if it passes.

If it becomes law, the bill will allow the state to take custody of a child if they have been “subjected to or [are] threatened with being subjected to” gender-affirming care, which includes puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy. Florida courts could modify custody agreements from a different state if the minor is likely to receive gender-affirming care in that second state. The text refers to gender-affirming care as “sex-reassignment prescriptions or procedures” and qualifies this care as a form of “physical harm.”

newrepublic.com/post/172063/florida-house-bill-allowing-trans-kids-removed-families


some legal analysis

www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/2023/04/21/florida-bill-to-take-trans-teens-from-parents-is-unconstitutional/ff29246c-e030-11ed-a78e-9a7c2418b00c_story.html

[NewOrleans]

As for MO… On March 23, Missouri’s attorney general launched a webpage for people to submit a "complaint or concern about gender transition intervention" they have experienced or observed in the state.

The so-called "tip line" was created as part of an attorney general’s investigation into a specific transgender clinic, but it solicits responses beyond that investigation.

UPDATE, April 21, 2023: The online form for reporting concerns and complaints about transgender issues appeared to have been removed from the Missouri Attorney General’s website sometime on April 21, following publication of this fact-check.

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/apr/20/tweets/yes-missouri-attorney-general-has-a-website-for-re/

A Missouri government tip site for submitting complaints and concerns about gender-affirming care is down after people flooded it with fanfiction, rambling anecdotes and the “Bee Movie” script.

techcrunch.com/2023/04/21/missouri-trans-snitch-form-down-after-people-spammed-it-with-the-bee-movie-script/amp/

Primary source: ago.mo.gov/home/news/2023/03/23/attorney-general-bailey-launches-tip-line-for-reports-of-questionable-gender-transition-interventions

[seeyalater52]

NewOrleans that FL law is… absolutely chilling. With passage even absent a custody dispute we are no longer willing to travel to FL even for short periods. Such a bummer bc my in laws are there but it is just too scary to imagine what could happen in the wrong set of circumstances.

I assume the MO AG’s tip line was taken down because it was flooded by a bunch of angry fake complaints. We are… not happy. It was a great place to vent some of that, although obviously the intent is heinous.

[sonrisa]

Apr 22, 2023 11:46:56 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

we are no longer willing to travel to FL even for short periods

I sit beside you on this.

[seeyalater52]

Apr 22, 2023 23:55:43 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Apr 22, 2023 11:46:56 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

we are no longer willing to travel to FL even for short periods

I sit beside you on this.

I hate this for you.