Dr. Tries to Renew His Passport, No Longer a Citizen

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Nov 27, 2023 12:56:47 GMT -5 audette said:

Nov 27, 2023 11:50:22 GMT -5 bcv513 said:

Not necessarily. Something similar happened to my mom when she tried to renew her passport this last time. She also got a letter saying that she wasn't a citizen. She was born in Spain while my grandfather was serving in the military. Apparently the issue was that she was born in a regular hospital in Madrid and not on a military base. Her birth certificate is in Spanish, so even though she was born to two US citizens, according to the government she wasn't a citizen. It ended up taking almost two years to fix. At first she was sent to the Spanish embassy, but they only help Spanish citizens. Eventually her Senator had to call the State Department to sort things out. But in the meantime Social Security flagged her as a fraud and stopped her payments, and her Medicare lapsed. 

I know another person that had similar fun with having been born abroad to US parents.  His Dad was stationed in Germany, and my buddy was born there at a local hospital.  Buddy has a German birth certificate.  And the parents _thought_ they had filed the appropriate paperwork needed for reporting the birth abroad.


Buddy learned they had not in his last year of ROTC in college, as he was gearing up to get commissioned in the (US) Army...  _After_ serving in the Army as an enlisted soldier, and returning to school.  You can't be a commissioned officer without citizenship (but you can enlist without US Citizenship), so that had to get resolved...  Thankfully, for my buddy, his mom was still around and able to answer the needful questions, and the buddy had it sorted out with the state department quickly (couple weeks, basically).

Holy shit, this makes me hope my son’s citizenship is squared away! I mean, he had a CRBA and a passport (he needed both in order for us to bring him back to the US), so I hope that means we did it right!!

[msmerymac]

You know who revoked citizenship? Nazis.

I know, I know, this was a terrible mistake. I almost think it should be elevated to SCOTUS to sort out, but somehow they’d turn it into something about birthright citizenship as a whole.

[audette]

Nov 27, 2023 16:46:00 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Nov 27, 2023 12:56:47 GMT -5 audette said:

I know another person that had similar fun with having been born abroad to US parents.  His Dad was stationed in Germany, and my buddy was born there at a local hospital.  Buddy has a German birth certificate.  And the parents _thought_ they had filed the appropriate paperwork needed for reporting the birth abroad.


Buddy learned they had not in his last year of ROTC in college, as he was gearing up to get commissioned in the (US) Army...  _After_ serving in the Army as an enlisted soldier, and returning to school.  You can't be a commissioned officer without citizenship (but you can enlist without US Citizenship), so that had to get resolved...  Thankfully, for my buddy, his mom was still around and able to answer the needful questions, and the buddy had it sorted out with the state department quickly (couple weeks, basically).

Holy shit, this makes me hope my son’s citizenship is squared away! I mean, he had a CRBA and a passport (he needed both in order for us to bring him back to the US), so I hope that means we did it right!!

I don't think my buddy had a passport before this was all figured out, so I'm betting your son is all good for documents...

[Bad Dingo]

Hopefully the Doctor's representatives will be able to cut through the ridiculous bureaucratic red tape and get this sorted ASAP.

Pure speculation, but I'm wondering, based on the article that says they needed to stay in the States because of his brother's health condition, if they were given a brief diplomatic position as a sort of favor. That would make sense given the short time period and my general understanding of the small number of diplomatic positions.

[loira]

This seems to be a common problem, unfortunately. Canada had a whole generation of war brides who, because of a bureaucratic glitch stemming from our independence from Britain, weren't considered Canadian citizens (but found this out 50 some years later). www.durhamregion.com/news/pickering-war-bride-learns-shes-not-canadian/article_950e989a-d4c1-5f70-8edd-805807c90110.html

[wise_rita]

Nov 27, 2023 16:46:00 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Nov 27, 2023 12:56:47 GMT -5 audette said:

I know another person that had similar fun with having been born abroad to US parents.  His Dad was stationed in Germany, and my buddy was born there at a local hospital.  Buddy has a German birth certificate.  And the parents _thought_ they had filed the appropriate paperwork needed for reporting the birth abroad.


Buddy learned they had not in his last year of ROTC in college, as he was gearing up to get commissioned in the (US) Army...  _After_ serving in the Army as an enlisted soldier, and returning to school.  You can't be a commissioned officer without citizenship (but you can enlist without US Citizenship), so that had to get resolved...  Thankfully, for my buddy, his mom was still around and able to answer the needful questions, and the buddy had it sorted out with the state department quickly (couple weeks, basically).

Holy shit, this makes me hope my son’s citizenship is squared away! I mean, he had a CRBA and a passport (he needed both in order for us to bring him back to the US), so I hope that means we did it right!!

There are a few ways to prove American citizenship, like a naturalization certificate and CRBA is one of them. You're (your child) good!

Of course an American birth certificate is one but as this dude found out that can be argued after the fact. I don't know if a CRBA could be, barring any misinformation (a.k.a. purjery on your part) in that process.

[MixedBerryJam]

Nov 27, 2023 11:38:55 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

I don't even understand why the statement dept says he shouldn't have been granted citizenship. Regardless of the circumstances that his parents were here under, he was BORN HERE. Our current laws say that automatically makes him a citizen!

i believe there is an exception specifically mentioned for births to foreign diplomats temporarily in the us. I’ll see if I can find it (and plus I’ll read the rest of the thread to see if others have mentioned this already) (and I see it has been covered). I hope it gets straightened out bc this is crazy.

[neverfstop]

I keep coming back only to see if there's been a happy update or resolution. Sorry if I missed it, but can somebody or some agency just grant him citizenship? (hopefully retroactively) 

[sonrisa]

Nov 29, 2023 12:31:26 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

I keep coming back only to see if there's been a happy update or resolution. Sorry if I missed it, but can somebody or some agency just grant him citizenship? (hopefully retroactively) 

Congress could pass a law granting him citizenship. (It would be a rider on a different bill). But that seems very unlike in this political climate. 

This isn't going to be fixed fast. His best bet is probably going for a green card based on his marriage to a USC and then applying for citizenship.

[madringal]

My sister had something kind of similar happen to her in the 90s. My parents moved here from Iran in 1974 when she was just one. My dad was already a citizen because his mother was, so getting my mom and sister citizenship was relatively easy. In 1990 she applied for a passport to go on a school trip, only to be told she wasn't a citizen, or at least there was no proof she was one. My parents could not locate ANY of their citizenship papers, and eventually had to get a state senator involved to help them. She did get her passport in time for her trip, but I remember it being a huge ordeal and my parents fighting a lot about that paperwork.