@apalachee high school

[wawa]

Sept 5, 2024 7:59:04 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Sept 4, 2024 12:24:43 GMT -5 mcppalmbeach said:

What is wrong with us that we cannot get rid of the guns? It’s heartbreaking. These poor babies.

I'm going to make a bad comparison that is going to make people mad: In the US cars kill more people than guns every single day. Yet we can't have conversations about that because "we need cars" for reasons. So take how you feel about cars, and apply that feeling to guns. That, in a nutshell, is why we can't get rid of guns.

Of course I think this is a totally good comparison.

However...just as a point of fact, a few years ago they did actually swap places. Gun deaths and vehicle deaths are pretty close to neck and neck in the US, but guns overtook cars. I think for kids it was 2022? I know I had to update some presentations for that last year. Adults was a few years before that. I think in large part because we actually HAVE been making progress of crash mortality reduction for cars politically. The courts haven't been overturning local VZ ordinances the way they do local gun control laws.

But that aside, comparison still stands. Mindsets still screw us. Comes down to people's views on FREEDOM and safety pretty often.

www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

[lilac05]

While I agree that his name should not be a primary focus, I don’t think it’s a coincidence, and it speaks to the strength of the gun culture in this country. And THAT is always worth the conversation. (I know 2 families with kids who are all intentionally named after gun/gun companies. One mom proudly told me that about the second time we met.)

[abs]

Sept 5, 2024 7:59:04 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Sept 4, 2024 12:24:43 GMT -5 mcppalmbeach said:

What is wrong with us that we cannot get rid of the guns? It’s heartbreaking. These poor babies.

I'm going to make a bad comparison that is going to make people mad: In the US cars kill more people than guns every single day. Yet we can't have conversations about that because "we need cars" for reasons. So take how you feel about cars, and apply that feeling to guns. That, in a nutshell, is why we can't get rid of guns.

I get what you are saying here I think and don’t disagree. However there are laws around driving and cars (you know in theory). There are safeguards like needing licenses and speed limits and traffic signs. With guns it’s just the Wild West. Not in all states but in the south definitely. Yes cars are the most dangerous part of our day. It’s going to take a ton of money to fix that though. I’m sick of driving so I would welcome better public transportation but that will take time. With gun controls it should be easier to enact something impactful right away but it feels helpless.

[cville]

Guys. We all know that cars are regulated in ways guns aren't (and absofuckinglutely should be).

The people who cling to their guns will forever and ever amen also cling to BuT GUns aRe iN ThE CONstItUtIoN.

They equate regulation with removal. The USSC is and has been enabling that unhinged perspective.

The problem isn't that most people don't think guns should be more regulated (which, btw, is true). The problem is that much like racism, gun protection is baked into the founding documents of our country, which enables a small vocal minority fringe group to stymie progress.

And changing the Constitution is uphill battle so steep it's just rock climbing.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying. The 19th amendment didn't happen because people were like "oh well, guess woman are legally screwed out of voting forever." But this is HARD. And the proponents of legal reform haven't been as well organized and funded as gun nuts. That's changing thanks to Everytown and MDA. But this is a marathon in a windstorm, and we're on mile 10.

[pixy0stix]

Sept 5, 2024 8:54:42 GMT -5 abs said:

Sept 5, 2024 7:59:04 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I'm going to make a bad comparison that is going to make people mad: In the US cars kill more people than guns every single day. Yet we can't have conversations about that because "we need cars" for reasons. So take how you feel about cars, and apply that feeling to guns. That, in a nutshell, is why we can't get rid of guns.

I get what you are saying here I think and don’t disagree. However there are laws around driving and cars (you know in theory). There are safeguards like needing licenses and speed limits and traffic signs. With guns it’s just the Wild West. Not in all states but in the south definitely. Yes cars are the most dangerous part of our day. It’s going to take a ton of money to fix that though. I’m sick of driving so I would welcome better public transportation but that will take time. With gun controls it should be easier to enact something impactful right away but it feels helpless.

Guns actually have a lot of legislation around them, but much like the idiots who speed/don't stop at stop signs, etc. they're by and large ignored or not enforced.

[rachers]

Here is what (IMO) should be a huge focus - the fact that children should not have access to firearms, period. This is the easiest thing we can do - post it on social media, talk to your kid's friends parents, neighbors, FAMILY.

When I do these events I have so many people stop and say "Oh, we don't own guns."

"Great! But what about your parents? Do your kids play at a neighbors house? Have you confirmed if they have guns that they are safely stored?"

The conversation is uncomfortable but it doesn't have to be. And the more we talk about it, the more we can get momentum. Y'all have all said it - Sandy Hook should have been the END all be all but it wasn't. But we can't sit idly by. 

Gun Statistic Numbers (hope that link works)

[aurora]

I actually think the (liability) insurance regulations around cars would be one of the most impactful if applied to guns. I'm no actuary but I can imagine it being hard and/or expensive to insure a military-style gun as an individual.

[hermione]

My kid wears khakis, a school t shirt and a school sweatshirt to school everyday (uniforms). Everyday, I make her lift her sweatshirt to show me what shirt she has on. She thinks it's because I want to check if she matches. I do this in case I have to identify her by her clothing. I just started subconsciously doing this after Oxford (local to me).

How is this normal?!

[rachers]

hermione - it's not. And I'm so sorry.

[pixy0stix]

To go back to my previous point, it's not about all the rules and regulations - it's about how people *feel*. We all have reasons and excuses and and and for why we continue to drive vehicles, but ultimately it's about how we feel *safe* in our cars. We all think we can competently operate motor vehicles. It's a tool.

THAT is how people who own guns feel about guns.

So if you want to get into the "I don't understand how" go to your *feelings* about cars and you'll get to the how.

[laladypoet]

we'd have to change the constitution to get rid of guns, and that's never going to happen. unfortunately.

[rachers]

Sept 5, 2024 10:43:54 GMT -5 laladypoet said:

we'd have to change the constitution to get rid of guns, and that's never going to happen. unfortunately.

We can’t think like that, something has to change and we have to do the work.

[sent]

Sept 5, 2024 9:35:47 GMT -5 aurora said:

I actually think the (liability) insurance regulations around cars would be one of the most impactful if applied to guns. I'm no actuary but I can imagine it being hard and/or expensive to insure a military-style gun as an individual.

We as Americans love insurance. Big business loves insurance profits. This idea could have potential.

[wanderingback]

Sept 5, 2024 7:59:04 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Sept 4, 2024 12:24:43 GMT -5 mcppalmbeach said:

What is wrong with us that we cannot get rid of the guns? It’s heartbreaking. These poor babies.

I'm going to make a bad comparison that is going to make people mad: In the US cars kill more people than guns every single day. Yet we can't have conversations about that because "we need cars" for reasons. So take how you feel about cars, and apply that feeling to guns. That, in a nutshell, is why we can't get rid of guns.

Unfortunately for people age 1-24 , gun deaths are higher than car deaths when looking at injury related deaths.

Thankfully motor vehicle crash deaths have been trending down for awhile now, so I do think system changes have helped (seat belt laws, car seat laws, etc). Unfortunately, gun deaths have been increasing.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/guns-now-kill-more-children-and-young-adults-than-car-crashes/

[rachers]

Sept 5, 2024 11:26:39 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Sept 5, 2024 7:59:04 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I'm going to make a bad comparison that is going to make people mad: In the US cars kill more people than guns every single day. Yet we can't have conversations about that because "we need cars" for reasons. So take how you feel about cars, and apply that feeling to guns. That, in a nutshell, is why we can't get rid of guns.

Unfortunately for people age 1-24 , gun deaths are higher than car deaths when looking at injury related deaths.

Thankfully motor vehicle crash deaths have been trending down for awhile now, so I do think system changes have helped (seat belt laws, car seat laws, etc). Unfortunately, gun deaths have been increasing.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/guns-now-kill-more-children-and-young-adults-than-car-crashes/

Yes, this.

www.everytown.org/issues/child-teen-safety/

Know the numbers for when people try to argue. And I know they do and it’s frustrating! But guns are the #1 killer of children.

[Velar Fricative]

The discord account allegedly connected to the kid as part of the FBI’s investigation last year had a username written in Cyrillic (alphabet used for Russian and other languages) that is transliterated as “Lanza.” And they found items in his room that showed an obsession over school shootings (especially Parkland).

www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/us/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-threat.html?smid=url-share

[bohemianmango]

I am so sad and angry for the victims and their families and all the survivors.

When will congress and our country’s leaders stop offering their thoughts and prayers and actually start responding to the petitions, thoughts and prayers of their constituents with policies, regulations and action?

My DH is a new professor and got his keys yesterday. This included a key for the storage closet/panic room. We hate to think this would ever be needed and he has 25 students in each class who may not all fit if ever needed. I also keep thinking about how this is actually necessary and how many classrooms across the US likely don’t have this, including my DDs’.

[karinothing]

I was talking to my 12 year old yesterday about lock down drills (before we knew this happened) and he asked me what the point was because the shooter often goes to the school and would already know the procedures for lock down drills and know any weaknesses. Which I didn't even know how to respond too. My other kid said he thinks the gym is the best place for lock downs because it is behind double doors with no windows

[basilosaurus]

Sept 5, 2024 14:37:53 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I was talking to my 12 year old yesterday about lock down drills (before we knew this happened) and he asked me what the point was because the shooter often goes to the school and would already know the procedures for lock down drills and know any weaknesses. Which I didn't even know how to respond too. My other kid said he thinks the gym is the best place for lock downs because it is behind double doors with no windows

In the area where I grew up, this is why schools were hurricane shelters. Concrete solid with zero windows anywhere. This was an intentional extra purpose of these buildings. To thinkthat's now to prevent school shootings... I don't even know what to say.

Assholes limit rights all the time. Right to vote. Right to bodily autonomy. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but limits on rights is nothing new nor scary. No, you don't get the right to have military weaponry that can kill dozens in seconds.

[neverfstop]

Sept 5, 2024 14:37:53 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I was talking to my 12 year old yesterday about lock down drills (before we knew this happened) and he asked me what the point was because the shooter often goes to the school and would already know the procedures for lock down drills and know any weaknesses. Which I didn't even know how to respond too. My other kid said he thinks the gym is the best place for lock downs because it is behind double doors with no windows

The details I saw online this morning indicate that he left his classroom & returned, but the door was locked. A student got up to let him in & saw he had a gun, so he didn't open it & started to block the door.... so that small thing (door locks) saved lives.  I think there were armed police on campus & had confronted him within Min.  It was an AR-style weapon 

[neverfstop]

Looking for links now, but apparently there was a warning call that there would be a shooting at 4 schools that morning. His school got a call. He had just recently transferred into that school.

The pictures of the victims break my heart...they've ID'd a male teacher so far


www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high-updates/

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The security system in place at Apalachee High School is designed to instantaneously alert law enforcement, school officials on-site and people throughout the building after a teacher or staff member pushes a button on their badge, company officials said Thursday.

The Crisis Alert System is made by Centegix, a privately owned company based in Atlanta. A law enforcement official said Wednesday that the system’s alert is how they found out a shooting was underway.
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“We prepare for this, we train for this,” Jennifer Sanders said. She’s a high school teacher in nearby Gwinnett County. “We all have buttons on our ID cards that we can press and put in a hard lockdown. I think that all the steps and measures that they’ve taken have really helped. The response time was fantastic.”

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Sept 5, 2024 16:22:04 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Looking for links now, but apparently there was a warning call that there would be a shooting at 4 schools that morning. His school got a call. He had just recently transferred into that school.

The pictures of the victims break my heart...they've ID'd a male teacher so far


www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high-updates/

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The security system in place at Apalachee High School is designed to instantaneously alert law enforcement, school officials on-site and people throughout the building after a teacher or staff member pushes a button on their badge, company officials said Thursday.

The Crisis Alert System is made by Centegix, a privately owned company based in Atlanta. A law enforcement official said Wednesday that the system’s alert is how they found out a shooting was underway.
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“We prepare for this, we train for this,” Jennifer Sanders said. She’s a high school teacher in nearby Gwinnett County. “We all have buttons on our ID cards that we can press and put in a hard lockdown. I think that all the steps and measures that they’ve taken have really helped. The response time was fantastic.”

When will people realize that an measures that only go into effect AFTER an armed person enters a school (and often, after they start shooting) will have a lower chance of being effective than measures that take place BEFORE an armed person enters a school….like you know, those that prevent people from accessing assault rifles, or from purchasing guns, or from removing guns from safe storage, or that grant mental health care to people who need it? All the locked doors don’t protect people who are wandering the halls on the way back from the bathroom or while performing school maintenance (and actually, it endangers them further because now they’re locked out of the safest places).

[Velar Fricative]

Source states his dad bought him the gun used in the shootings as a Christmas present last year…AFTER the family was questioned about the threats on Discord. It’s a Crumbley-like situation all over again, it seems.

www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

[abs]

Sept 5, 2024 18:27:03 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Source states his dad bought him the gun used in the shootings as a Christmas present last year…AFTER the family was questioned about the threats on Discord. It’s a Crumbley-like situation all over again, it seems.

www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/winder-georgia-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

JFC. Throw the book at the dad.

[Velar Fricative]

The father has been arrested. There are several charges, including two counts of murder.

www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/05/us/georgia-school-shooting/heres-the-latest-on-the-investigation-into-the-shooting?smid=url-share

[cville]

Sept 5, 2024 18:53:17 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

The father has been arrested. There are several charges, including two counts of murder.

www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/05/us/georgia-school-shooting/heres-the-latest-on-the-investigation-into-the-shooting?smid=url-share

GOOD

[atexan]

Sept 5, 2024 14:37:53 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I was talking to my 12 year old yesterday about lock down drills (before we knew this happened) and he asked me what the point was because the shooter often goes to the school and would already know the procedures for lock down drills and know any weaknesses. Which I didn't even know how to respond too. My other kid said he thinks the gym is the best place for lock downs because it is behind double doors with no windows

My 11 year old said the same thing when he had his drill last week.

[neverfstop]

All the injured are doing well & expected to recover.
More on the victims- the kids were both 14

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/victims-georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high/

[neverfstop]

He's being charged as an adult....I don't knw how I feel about that. GA allows as young as 13 year olds to be charged....

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-charged-adult-trial/

[icedcoffee]

Jesus. I hope his father rots in jail for the rest of his life.