@apalachee high school

[erbear]

Sept 5, 2024 20:07:36 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

Jesus. I hope his father rots in jail for the rest of his life.

Seriously. Who the fuck gives their 14 year old a fucking gun as a present. JFC. This makes me so angry.

[shopgirl07]

I’m shocked the father was arrested, much less charged with murder. It’s the right call, obviously, but I didn’t think it would happen in Georgia. Hopefully, this will set a precedent.

And we absolutely do not have to change the Constitution to get rid of guns, or AR-15s at least. We need to elect Democrats. There was a previous assault weapons ban that seriously curbed deaths. We need to do that again, amongst other measures, which we CAN do.

[maudefindlay]

Sept 5, 2024 20:37:20 GMT -5 erbear said:

Sept 5, 2024 20:07:36 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

Jesus. I hope his father rots in jail for the rest of his life.

Seriously. Who the fuck gives their 14 year old a fucking gun as a present. JFC. This makes me so angry.

I'll never forget years ago running into a childhood friend and she showed us photos, actual studio photos, of her then 3 yr old standing next to and holding up his future rifle that was taller than him. I felt sick to my stomach. When my kids were that age they got photos taken with Tonka trucks, stuffed animals etc. I literally could not speak, it made me that nauseous. So many pass guns down generation to generation.

[spindle92]

Sept 5, 2024 20:37:20 GMT -5 erbear said:

Sept 5, 2024 20:07:36 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

Jesus. I hope his father rots in jail for the rest of his life.

Seriously. Who the fuck gives their 14 year old a fucking gun as a present. JFC. This makes me so angry.

Not just a gun but a damn assault rifle.

(Not minimizing ANY "gift" of a gun, just even more jaw dropping )

[wanderingback]

Sept 5, 2024 19:49:30 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

He's being charged as an adult....I don't knw how I feel about that. GA allows as young as 13 year olds to be charged....

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-charged-adult-trial/

Our supposed justice system is so fucked up. I am not going to go on a long tirade about that. 13 years old being charged as an adult, wtf.

[lilac05]

Sept 5, 2024 21:06:28 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Sept 5, 2024 19:49:30 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

He's being charged as an adult....I don't knw how I feel about that. GA allows as young as 13 year olds to be charged....

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-charged-adult-trial/

Our supposed justice system is so fucked up. I am not going to go on a long tirade about that. 13 years old being charged as an adult, wtf.

I agree. I don’t know what the right answer is here, and surely there is far more information that I don’t know than information that I DO know. But the adults who raised him failed him on so many levels. His odds of “making it” and being a cycle-breaker weren’t great…and now they’re zero. For life. I hope and pray I’m never selected for a jury for someone like this kid. I don’t know how you do it…but charging the actual adults in the situation is a start.

[mrshandy]

Sept 5, 2024 19:49:30 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

He's being charged as an adult....I don't knw how I feel about that. GA allows as young as 13 year olds to be charged....

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-charged-adult-trial/

Yeah this is the first time that I've had someone the same age as my DS, a freshman in HS and 14 being charged in a mass murder as an adult. To say my son is an adult is just ludicrous. I had a long argument with H about this. I will come out and say I disagree with this wholeheartedly especially within hours of the crime. I argued with H about this yesterday. 14 year olds are not adults, they can't get jobs, they can't drive, they can't live on their own, they can't pursue mental health help, they can't understand how their actions will impact the rest of their lives, they can't purchase weapons, alcohol, cigarettes. You will never convince me otherwise.

The prosecutor has tons of discretion in these matters and it seems pretty obvious no thought or research was given into this decision. It's awful.

Everything is awful about what has happened here. Children killing children and adults all because they are given access to deadly weapons that they don't understand the consequences of. 

Furthermore, how do you charge a Father for child neglect and then argue that this "child" acted as an adult?!?!

[livinitup]

Let’s be clear about the consequences of charging the 14 year old as an adult. The 14 year old will be incarcerated in an adult male prison for the entirety of his sentence. Starting on day-one.

Let that sink in for a moment.

[stuffandthings]

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My husband's uncle also received a gun for his birthday (12th, I think). He and a friend were cleaning it when it went off. The friend was killed. My husband's uncle never truly got over it and descended into drinking and hard drugs. He died two weeks ago at the age of 57.

My husband's family continues to buy guns for their children.

Guns are a sickness in this country.

[basilosaurus]

Sept 6, 2024 8:01:40 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Let’s be clear about the consequences of charging the 14 year old as an adult. The 14 year old will be incarcerated in an adult male prison for the entirety of his sentence. Starting on day-one.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Is this true in all cases? I thought sometimes they are houses in a juvenile facility until they're 18. I'm sure it varies by state and individual case.

[janegold]

Seeing the courtroom photos is breaking my heart. The shooter looks like an absolute baby from the back. This child and all the victims have been so, so failed by his parents and our society for glorifying guns the way we have.

I felt similarly when Ethan Crumbley was sentenced. There is no justice; it's just a tragedy from every angle.

[ellipses84]

Sept 5, 2024 20:37:20 GMT -5 erbear said:

Sept 5, 2024 20:07:36 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

Jesus. I hope his father rots in jail for the rest of his life.

Seriously. Who the fuck gives their 14 year old a fucking gun as a present. JFC. This makes me so angry.

It’s so much worse than giving your teen a gun (like a hunting rifle). The FBI and local police told you they believed your son was making threats to shoot up schools, you told them there’s no way he did that, don’t worry he doesn’t have access to any of the guns in the house because they are in a gun safe, and a few months later you though the perfect Christmas gift to get him was an AR-15?!! The father is 💯 an accomplice.

[cville]

Sept 6, 2024 8:57:30 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Sept 6, 2024 8:01:40 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Let’s be clear about the consequences of charging the 14 year old as an adult. The 14 year old will be incarcerated in an adult male prison for the entirety of his sentence. Starting on day-one.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Is this true in all cases? I thought sometimes they are houses in a juvenile facility until they're 18. I'm sure it varies by state and individual case.

It's not true in most cases. A significant majority of kids under 18 charged as adults are in juvenile detention centers until 18 (sometimes 21).

Which is still prison, to be clear.

This is a horrific tragedy.
It appears that he had grandparents who recognized how toxic his life and his dad's influence was, based on his grandfather's media comments. That makes it, to me, somehow worse. The possibility for intervention was that much closer.

Guns are the problem. If someone just took them away or locked them up, he could not have done this. Literally.

I hope his dad rots. In adult prison.

[basilosaurus]

Also, requisite fuck vance saying with a shrug it's just reality. It doesn't fucking have to be you fucking asshole.

[karinothing]

I saw a post on twitter (that I now can't find) that was saying we should make start creating laws around guns that we have around abortions so

1) when you buy a gun you have to look at pictures of gun victims and hear a lecture about how dangerous guns are
2) when you buy a gun out of state and are from a state where it is illegal you can be charged with a crime.

There was one more, but can't remember it

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 6, 2024 9:49:39 GMT -5 ellipses84 said:

Sept 5, 2024 20:37:20 GMT -5 erbear said:

Seriously. Who the fuck gives their 14 year old a fucking gun as a present. JFC. This makes me so angry.

It’s so much worse than giving your teen a gun (like a hunting rifle). The FBI and local police told you they believed your son was making threats to shoot up schools, you told them there’s no way he did that, don’t worry he doesn’t have access to any of the guns in the house because they are in a gun safe, and a few months later you though the perfect Christmas gift to get him was an AR-15?!! The father is 💯 an accomplice.

I have nothing to back this up so this is conjecture, but I think it is within the realm of possibility that the father was SO mad at “the government” coming after him and his son that the gift was a hearty F You to everyone. But I’m sure he backs the blue!

[carmenere]

Sept 6, 2024 10:10:40 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I saw a post on twitter (that I now can't find) that was saying we should make start creating laws around guns that we have around abortions so

1) when you buy a gun you have to look at pictures of gun victims and hear a lecture about how dangerous guns are
2) when you buy a gun out of state and are from a state where it is illegal you can be charged with a crime.

There was one more, but can't remember it

Enable and incentivize private citizens to sue irresponsible gun owners even if they aren’t directly affected by it?

[basilosaurus]

Sept 6, 2024 10:10:40 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I saw a post on twitter (that I now can't find) that was saying we should make start creating laws around guns that we have around abortions so

1) when you buy a gun you have to look at pictures of gun victims and hear a lecture about how dangerous guns are
2) when you buy a gun out of state and are from a state where it is illegal you can be charged with a crime.

There was one more, but can't remember it

Be told guns cause cancer despite absolutely zero evidence?

Actually, I'd argue guns *are* a cancer

[karinothing]

Sept 6, 2024 13:23:54 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Sept 6, 2024 10:10:40 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I saw a post on twitter (that I now can't find) that was saying we should make start creating laws around guns that we have around abortions so

1) when you buy a gun you have to look at pictures of gun victims and hear a lecture about how dangerous guns are
2) when you buy a gun out of state and are from a state where it is illegal you can be charged with a crime.

There was one more, but can't remember it

Be told guns cause cancer despite absolutely zero evidence?

Actually, I'd argue guns *are* a cancer

At the very least be told that guns cause death. 

[erbear]

Sept 5, 2024 21:06:28 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Sept 5, 2024 19:49:30 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

He's being charged as an adult....I don't knw how I feel about that. GA allows as young as 13 year olds to be charged....

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-charged-adult-trial/

Our supposed justice system is so fucked up. I am not going to go on a long tirade about that. 13 years old being charged as an adult, wtf.

This. This was a heinous crime, and this child should face a harsh punishment. But nothing good will come from locking up a 13 year old for life -- but his parents are responsible for the bulk of this tragedy.

[campermom]

Have your schools banned phones yet? Our district did. A decision made by a very conservative board with the loudest members highly endorsed by MFL. Remember, Board of Ed members are elected public, most of which don’t have experience in schools. They made it clear from the district that phones go in bags, and bags go to the back of the room. No one is to have a phone in the hall during class, therefore no one has a phone in the bathroom. (They can use them at class change.)

I saw a TikTok-14greeneggsandham said “Has anyone checked to see if the NRA is behind schools banning phones? Because it’s a real bad look for them all the kids have to send their parents their last I love you texts”

I dk if any of you have seen there’s a lot of TikTok’s made by Apalachee students being rescued in their classroom by police. I don’t recall seeing quite that much survivor video footage other school shootings. My guess is that more and more districts will be banning phones.

My office is across the only bathroom on the entire floor for hundreds of kids worth of classrooms. Kids are in and out of those bathrooms-which have no door, instead it’s a wall they walk around and into the room with the stalls, constantly. During drills, I sweep those kids into my room bc there’s no way they’d make it back before their classroom door is locked down. They would go to a nearby classroom if I wasn’t there.

All I could think about this week is that if something happened, all those kids who aren’t in their classroom for whatever reason would have NO WAY to reach their parent.

[chedifuen]

Sept 6, 2024 16:03:08 GMT -5 campermom said:

Have your schools banned phones yet? Our district did. A decision made by a very conservative board with the loudest members highly endorsed by MFL. Remember, Board of Ed members are elected public, most of which don’t have experience in schools. They made it clear from the district that phones go in bags, and bags go to the back of the room. No one is to have a phone in the hall during class, therefore no one has a phone in the bathroom. (They can use them at class change.)

I saw a TikTok-14greeneggsandham said “Has anyone checked to see if the NRA is behind schools banning phones? Because it’s a real bad look for them all the kids have to send their parents their last I love you texts”

I dk if any of you have seen there’s a lot of TikTok’s made by Apalachee students being rescued in their classroom by police. I don’t recall seeing quite that much survivor video footage other school shootings. My guess is that more and more districts will be banning phones.

My office is across the only bathroom on the entire floor for hundreds of kids worth of classrooms. Kids are in and out of those bathrooms-which have no door, instead it’s a wall they walk around and into the room with the stalls, constantly. During drills, I sweep those kids into my room bc there’s no way they’d make it back before their classroom door is locked down. They would go to a nearby classroom if I wasn’t there.

All I could think about this week is that if something happened, all those kids who aren’t in their classroom for whatever reason would have NO WAY to reach their parent.

Yes, phones, ear buds, and watches are banned and I'm incredibly grateful for it. The very last thing I want my child to worry about during a school shooting is texting or calling me. I want them silent, hidden, and focused on trying to stay alive. 

My son had an awful experience during a lockdown prior to the phone ban. It was a very scary situation, with a threat called in and thought to potentially be credible. One student in his class wouldn't silence his phone and wouldn't stop using it to make calls and texts. My son thought he might die because that other kid wouldn't get off his phone and be silent. 

There are a million reasons to ban phones at schools. I'm 100% in favor after our experience. 

[jinkies]

I am completely horrified by all of this, but I don't think that letting kids have their phones in class is the answer. And I can guarantee that banning phones has nothing to do with the NRA and everything to do with how difficult it is to get kids to focus in class.

[icedcoffee]

Apparently the mom is already in jail for drugs. This kid never had a chance. What a mess. I’m not sure what I think should happen to the kid but I do know the dad should never see the outside of a prison again.

[Deleted]

Sept 6, 2024 16:03:08 GMT -5 campermom said:

Have your schools banned phones yet? Our district did. A decision made by a very conservative board with the loudest members highly endorsed by MFL. Remember, Board of Ed members are elected public, most of which don’t have experience in schools. They made it clear from the district that phones go in bags, and bags go to the back of the room. No one is to have a phone in the hall during class, therefore no one has a phone in the bathroom. (They can use them at class change.)

I saw a TikTok-14greeneggsandham said “Has anyone checked to see if the NRA is behind schools banning phones? Because it’s a real bad look for them all the kids have to send their parents their last I love you texts”

I dk if any of you have seen there’s a lot of TikTok’s made by Apalachee students being rescued in their classroom by police. I don’t recall seeing quite that much survivor video footage other school shootings. My guess is that more and more districts will be banning phones.

My office is across the only bathroom on the entire floor for hundreds of kids worth of classrooms. Kids are in and out of those bathrooms-which have no door, instead it’s a wall they walk around and into the room with the stalls, constantly. During drills, I sweep those kids into my room bc there’s no way they’d make it back before their classroom door is locked down. They would go to a nearby classroom if I wasn’t there.

All I could think about this week is that if something happened, all those kids who aren’t in their classroom for whatever reason would have NO WAY to reach their parent.

Yes. Literally in the same week our local news station did one story on how some districts are banning phones during the school day (using the bags), and a few days later they did on how other districts are using smart phone apps as panic buttons so kids can report if a shooting happens during the school day.

[campermom]

chedifuen I complete understand why you’d feel that way after that experience. I’m so sorry that happened to him.

And jinkies I also think having phones away in class is great-I’m a big believer that phones have significantly impacted the lack of sustained attention, memory and other EF functions for kids-changing their brains and creating a disruption and distraction at schools. Not to mention impact on mental health and emotions.

I think having phones in bags and bags in the back is great and has gone fairly well.

But there’s something about not having access to it in transition that puts me ill ag ease and my feelings were impacted by 2 experiences I had.

1-a chemical reaction in my school office resulted in both school leaders and the secretary losing consciousness. Emergency services and hazmat cruise parked out front, my sole job that day was to pull the phone out of the office and answer call after call after call from parents who were worried about their kids safety. This was elem and no kids had phones at that time anyway. I was given a script, I read the script that the issue was contained, all kids were safe and learning was continuing, and then I was told to hang up and read it to the next caller. someone had posted the pic of emergency crews outside the school online and the responses from parents were happening faster than we could even manage the situation, and took away from the leaders abilities to manage the crisis.

2-I entered a high school mid day through a side door w my badge. Went upstairs, through the hall quickly realizing all doors were shut and it was silent. There was no place for me to go. Made my way to the main office which was locked and dark. Everything was silent, and it was scary. I had no where to go. I found an empty workroom open, went in, sat on the floor and locked the door. Because I had my phone I was able to text my coworker who confirmed it was just a drill.

This is what makes me think about kids in transition in the hall who have no access to communication. And the streamlining the reunification process for parents to kids in schools that have thousands of kids.

[neverfstop]

I'm 100% behind a school cell phone ban. I think in the very small chance there is an emergency, there are pros & cons to having kids have access to a cell phone. I know it makes everybody feel safer in everyday life & in an emergency scenario, but I think on the whole, the harms they cause to the overall educational experience (distraction, social isolation, bullying, etc.) aren't worth the benefits of kids having phones with them throughout the day.

[katfco]

As a high school teacher, I love the no phone policy. The problem with allowing them to use them in the halls means students are still focused on their phones--they just try to use restroom breaks more and are even more glued to them during transition time.

While campermom is right that a lack of phone access for students can cause issues in emergencies, I think the overall benefit outweighs the risk.


What bothers me about the phone bans (as I'm sure it does everyone on here) is that republicans have no problem supporting laws restricting phone use, but every problem with laws restricting guns.

I did my student teaching in Arkansas, and my cooperating teacher gave her 7-year-old his first hunting rifle for Christmas. It was even colorful, like a toy. We had "Deer Day" in the elementary school, where everyone got off the first day of deer hunting season, and spirit week included a "Camo" day. My students were completely gobsmacked to find out I didn't own any camo. They were 5th graders.

[firedancer10288]

I’m probably not going to articulate this very well and my mind is still reeling. There was a shooting at another high school in my county today. It was happening while I was on planning so I was glued to my phone looking for updates. But I’m thankful that my students did not have access to phones and did not know anything was happening until after school when it was all over. (Suspect in custody, one student dead- it was a targeted attack) I “only” had to worry about making sure my students were safe and not trying to control the rumor mill.

[underwaterrhymes]

There is a letter circulating from one of the teachers on Facebook.

It’s heartbreaking. Her daughter was in school that day and her priority was protecting her students but she couldn’t stop thinking about her own child until they were reconnected in the parking lot.

www.facebook.com/share/nWtixsbxJ2yxSaJN/?mibextid=WC7FNe