Harris / TFG Debate @@ included in thread

[penelope]

Sept 11, 2024 11:17:16 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

Sept 10, 2024 18:07:53 GMT -5 noodleoo said:

I get that you are frustrated, but most people don’t follow politics as much as closely as most of us do. As shocking as it is, there are undecided voters out there and they will decide this election. So yes, this debate is important!!!

Seeing as Biden dropped out after the last debate, they obviously matter.

ETA: or ditto aurora LOL

True. I fully admit I have a ton of anger at the current administration (doesn’t help that a humanitarian safe zone was bombed again yesterday and we weren’t able to reach family there) but I still know I am voting for KH because of the increase damage DT would do if elected.

I also don’t understand undecided voters. We have witnessed Trump and his ridiculousness for 8 plus years. He’s not someone new to get to know. If the indecisiveness is not knowing whether or not you are going to vote at all, I get it. Not knowing which of these two candidates you will vote for does not compute to me.

Last night my youngest (21, college senior) watched with the other 8 guys that live in his house (probably not the entire thing but they watched enough).  My son has heard enough from me that he went in already knowing who he is voting for but of the guys in house, ranging from sophomore to senior, he said that 6 of them really didn't have a clue.  Realize that they were probably 12 or 13 years old, 8 years ago.  And now they are old enough to vote.  At the end they were shocked at how stupid he sounded.  I told my son that he needs to keep on them about how important it is to vote.  So, for that younger generation, the one that just might save us, it may have really made a difference.  

[fernweh]

Sept 11, 2024 15:38:20 GMT -5 penelope said:

Sept 11, 2024 11:17:16 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

True. I fully admit I have a ton of anger at the current administration (doesn’t help that a humanitarian safe zone was bombed again yesterday and we weren’t able to reach family there) but I still know I am voting for KH because of the increase damage DT would do if elected.

I also don’t understand undecided voters. We have witnessed Trump and his ridiculousness for 8 plus years. He’s not someone new to get to know. If the indecisiveness is not knowing whether or not you are going to vote at all, I get it. Not knowing which of these two candidates you will vote for does not compute to me.

Last night my youngest (21, college senior) watched with the other 8 guys that live in his house (probably not the entire thing but they watched enough).  My son has heard enough from me that he went in already knowing who he is voting for but of the guys in house, ranging from sophomore to senior, he said that 6 of them really didn't have a clue.  Realize that they were probably 12 or 13 years old, 8 years ago.  And now they are old enough to vote.  At the end they were shocked at how stupid he sounded.  I told my son that he needs to keep on them about how important it is to vote.  So, for that younger generation, the one that just might save us, it may have really made a difference.  

Honestly this may be the end of the GOP as we know it. One of the post debate articles I read (didn’t think to grab the link) said 83% of Gen Z surveyed stated they plan to vote. While there are conservatives we know they tend to skew more liberal. Millennials are the first voting generation ever that has thus far not gotten more conservative as they get older. With more and more boomers passing away - I think after this election the Republicans are going to have to massively shift their agenda or risk never having another president in office.

[aurora]

Sept 11, 2024 16:41:04 GMT -5 fernweh said:

Sept 11, 2024 15:38:20 GMT -5 penelope said:

Last night my youngest (21, college senior) watched with the other 8 guys that live in his house (probably not the entire thing but they watched enough).  My son has heard enough from me that he went in already knowing who he is voting for but of the guys in house, ranging from sophomore to senior, he said that 6 of them really didn't have a clue.  Realize that they were probably 12 or 13 years old, 8 years ago.  And now they are old enough to vote.  At the end they were shocked at how stupid he sounded.  I told my son that he needs to keep on them about how important it is to vote.  So, for that younger generation, the one that just might save us, it may have really made a difference.  

Honestly this may be the end of the GOP as we know it. One of the post debate articles I read (didn’t think to grab the link) said 83% of Gen Z surveyed stated they plan to vote. While there are conservatives we know they tend to skew more liberal. Millennials are the first voting generation ever that has thus far not gotten more conservative as they get older. With more and more boomers passing away - I think after this election the Republicans are going to have to massively shift their agenda or risk never having another president in office.

This is how it would work in a functional democracy. Instead they are trying to reconfigure the electorate (e.g., by suppressing votes from people who don't like their agenda).

[neverfstop]

I didn’t realize, but they were both at a 911 Ground Zero Memorial together today….

[mags]

Sept 11, 2024 18:50:27 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

I didn’t realize, but they were both at a 911 Ground Zero Memorial together today….

and he brought Laura Loomer


he is a pig

[livinitup]

Sept 11, 2024 20:35:14 GMT -5 mags said:

Sept 11, 2024 18:50:27 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

I didn’t realize, but they were both at a 911 Ground Zero Memorial together today….

and he brought Laura Loomer


he is a pig

Good catch. I missed that Laura Loomer is traveling with Trump as a “guest” on his private plane. Yesterday to the debates and today to NYC including a fire house in Manhattan near 9/11 taking photos with rescue workers. When MTG calls you too trashy & too racist, well.

From Politico: “Laura Loomer, a right-wing activist and close Trump ally, was rebuked by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) on social media Wednesday evening after referencing racist and offensive cultural stereotypes about Harris, whose mother was Indian.”

[underwaterrhymes]

Sept 11, 2024 20:35:14 GMT -5 mags said:

Sept 11, 2024 18:50:27 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

I didn’t realize, but they were both at a 911 Ground Zero Memorial together today….

and he brought Laura Loomer


he is a pig

He also tried to pull her towards him when they shook hands, but she wasn’t having it.

[redheadbaker]

Sept 10, 2024 20:28:42 GMT -5 erbear said:

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Can someone pls explain the governor of WV (VA?) thing for me? I don’t know what he’s talking about.

Someone might have already replied but I didn't read all 20 pages in the thread. 

He was talking about former Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who gave a 2019 radio interview in which he discussed a hypothetical scenario in which a fetus has severe deformities or is not viable outside the womb. In such a case, Northam said, "the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired." 

[laladypoet]

speaking of Laura Loomer, this is super low-brow, but it's pretty funny.
dailyboulder.com/maga-unravels-marjorie-taylor-greene-calls-laura-loomer-a-racist-loomer-fires-back-with-a-torrent-of-explosive-revelations/

[livinitup]

Sept 12, 2024 9:16:18 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Sept 10, 2024 20:28:42 GMT -5 erbear said:

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Can someone pls explain the governor of WV (VA?) thing for me? I don’t know what he’s talking about.

Someone might have already replied but I didn't read all 20 pages in the thread. 

He was talking about former Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who gave a 2019 radio interview in which he discussed a hypothetical scenario in which a fetus has severe deformities or is not viable outside the womb. In such a case, Northam said, "the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired." 

Yes, it’s called palliative care when they are kept comfortable and with the parents immediately after birth. It’s describing an option for a plan of care developed between the doctor and parents. So, let’s be clear, this is the Republican talking point of “abortion after birth” - it’s palliative care. Nurses do things like give the parents a private room, space and support to cope with the impending loss. Doctors answer questions and set expectations about what to expect and for how long. The non-viable infant is held by the parents for the few minutes or hours they survive past birth instead of whisked off to neonatal units and medical interventions that won’t work. The hospital may have other supportive person like counselors and clergy. Parents are given time. When Trump says “They execute the baby” he means the parents. These parents, doctors, nurses, clergy, counselors are who Trump calls executioners - he’s calling the parents and medical team the people who execute the baby.

[shauni27]

Sept 12, 2024 11:06:07 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Sept 12, 2024 9:16:18 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Someone might have already replied but I didn't read all 20 pages in the thread. 

He was talking about former Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who gave a 2019 radio interview in which he discussed a hypothetical scenario in which a fetus has severe deformities or is not viable outside the womb. In such a case, Northam said, "the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired." 

Yes, it’s called palliative care when they are kept comfortable and with the parents immediately after birth. It’s describing an option for a plan of care developed between the doctor and parents. So, let’s be clear, this is the Republican talking point of “abortion after birth” - it’s palliative care. Nurses do things like give the parents a private room, space and support to cope with the impending loss. Doctors answer questions and set expectations about what to expect and for how long. The non-viable infant is held by the parents for the few minutes or hours they survive past birth instead of whisked off to neonatal units and medical interventions that won’t work. The hospital may have other supportive person like counselors and clergy. Parents are given time. When Trump says “They execute the baby” he means the parents. These parents, doctors, nurses, clergy, counselors are who Trump calls executioners - he’s calling the parents and medical team the people who execute the baby.

the fact that this is not obvious to people is seriously mind boggling.

[stuffandthings]

Now people are calling in bomb threats in Springfield OH:

abcnews.go.com/amp/US/bomb-threat-reported-multiple-buildings-springfield-ohio/story?id=113619803

[cville]

Sept 12, 2024 11:13:19 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

Sept 12, 2024 11:06:07 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Yes, it’s called palliative care when they are kept comfortable and with the parents immediately after birth. It’s describing an option for a plan of care developed between the doctor and parents. So, let’s be clear, this is the Republican talking point of “abortion after birth” - it’s palliative care. Nurses do things like give the parents a private room, space and support to cope with the impending loss. Doctors answer questions and set expectations about what to expect and for how long. The non-viable infant is held by the parents for the few minutes or hours they survive past birth instead of whisked off to neonatal units and medical interventions that won’t work. The hospital may have other supportive person like counselors and clergy. Parents are given time. When Trump says “They execute the baby” he means the parents. These parents, doctors, nurses, clergy, counselors are who Trump calls executioners - he’s calling the parents and medical team the people who execute the baby.

the fact that this is not obvious to people is seriously mind boggling.

As is the fact that it inspires mouth-frothing outrage and not empathy and a vow to support those suffering the worst time in their lives.

[fernweh]

Sept 12, 2024 11:13:19 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

Sept 12, 2024 11:06:07 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Yes, it’s called palliative care when they are kept comfortable and with the parents immediately after birth. It’s describing an option for a plan of care developed between the doctor and parents. So, let’s be clear, this is the Republican talking point of “abortion after birth” - it’s palliative care. Nurses do things like give the parents a private room, space and support to cope with the impending loss. Doctors answer questions and set expectations about what to expect and for how long. The non-viable infant is held by the parents for the few minutes or hours they survive past birth instead of whisked off to neonatal units and medical interventions that won’t work. The hospital may have other supportive person like counselors and clergy. Parents are given time. When Trump says “They execute the baby” he means the parents. These parents, doctors, nurses, clergy, counselors are who Trump calls executioners - he’s calling the parents and medical team the people who execute the baby.

the fact that this is not obvious to people is seriously mind boggling.

Honestly- I knew that no one was actually executing babies but I had no idea this is what they were talking about until very recently. I thought it was just a completely made up thing. I am horrified for these parents. Not only do they have to go through the absolute heartbreak of losing a child, they are being called executioners for it?! I don’t believe in hell but I hope if it does exist there is a special, extra tortuous section for the people that spew this nonsense.

[redheadbaker]

Congressional Republicans try to hide from Trump's poor debate performance

Gifted article: wapo.st/4d1mqtd

"Speaking to reporters Wednesday, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) focused entirely on a failed government funding plan. What did he think of Trump’s debate performance, reporters asked him. Johnson walked away, into the House chamber."

[mrshandy]

Sept 12, 2024 9:16:18 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Sept 10, 2024 20:28:42 GMT -5 erbear said:

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Can someone pls explain the governor of WV (VA?) thing for me? I don’t know what he’s talking about.

Someone might have already replied but I didn't read all 20 pages in the thread. 

He was talking about former Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who gave a 2019 radio interview in which he discussed a hypothetical scenario in which a fetus has severe deformities or is not viable outside the womb. In such a case, Northam said, "the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired." 

Thanks for clarifying this. I was curious as well. I really had no idea what I was talking about and I'm from VA. Northam is a former pediatrician so I would trust him to weigh in on this issue thoughtfully..  

[neverfstop]

Sept 11, 2024 20:35:14 GMT -5 mags said:

Sept 11, 2024 18:50:27 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

I didn’t realize, but they were both at a 911 Ground Zero Memorial together today….

and he brought Laura Loomer


he is a pig

Not going well....

MAGA Civil War Erupts as Laura Loomer and MTG Trade Blows in Public
news.yahoo.com/news/maga-civil-war-erupts-laura-122438156.html

[TR]

Sept 12, 2024 10:17:36 GMT -5 laladypoet said:

speaking of Laura Loomer, this is super low-brow, but it's pretty funny.
dailyboulder.com/maga-unravels-marjorie-taylor-greene-calls-laura-loomer-a-racist-loomer-fires-back-with-a-torrent-of-explosive-revelations/

They're both such trash.

[livinitup]

The BBC is reporting (9/12/24) that Donald Trump will not debate Kamala Harris again.

"There will be no third debate," Trump wrote on social media, ahead of his and Harris's first rallies since Tuesday's showdown.

[TR]

Sept 12, 2024 14:40:43 GMT -5 livinitup said:

The BBC is reporting (9/12/24) that Donald Trump will not debate Kamala Harris again.

"There will be no third debate," Trump wrote on social media, ahead of his and Harris's first rallies since Tuesday's showdown.

lol coward. Although he’ll say you only want another debate if you lost the last one 🙄

[mcsangel2]

If he really won't do another debate, I expect her (based on what I've heard on political podcasts) to do at least one town hall. She still needs some more national exposure.

[rachers]

Good. The less I hear is smarmy voice the better.

[stuffandthings]

Sept 12, 2024 14:40:43 GMT -5 livinitup said:

The BBC is reporting (9/12/24) that Donald Trump will not debate Kamala Harris again.

"There will be no third debate," Trump wrote on social media, ahead of his and Harris's first rallies since Tuesday's showdown.

This is interesting because his performance was so generally panned, even by many conservatives, that there has been pressure on him already to try again. This post means either 1) his team determined that the potential harm a second bad performance could do to his campaign actually OUTWEIGHED the potential harm that looking like a chicken could do (which is an extremely funny vote of no confidence in his skills), OR 2) he's ignoring his campaign advisers and getting mad and yelling NO NO NO I WON'T DO IT anyway.

Either outcome is good for us, lol.

[mcsangel2]

Sept 12, 2024 15:20:20 GMT -5 stuffandthings said:

Sept 12, 2024 14:40:43 GMT -5 livinitup said:

The BBC is reporting (9/12/24) that Donald Trump will not debate Kamala Harris again.

"There will be no third debate," Trump wrote on social media, ahead of his and Harris's first rallies since Tuesday's showdown.

This is interesting because his performance was so generally panned, even by many conservatives, that there has been pressure on him already to try again. This post means either 1) his team determined that the potential harm a second bad performance could do to his campaign actually OUTWEIGHED the potential harm that looking like a chicken could do (which is an extremely funny vote of no confidence in his skills), OR 2) he's ignoring his campaign advisers and getting mad and yelling NO NO NO I WON'T DO IT anyway.

Either outcome is good for us, lol.

Def #2.

[sonrisa]

I’ll offer a third option: his campaign knows that while he might do better than Tuesday, he is always going to spew word salad garbage and she is always going to be smarter and better prepared. His base doesn’t care about debates. What they want, and what he wants, is rallied where the MAGA supporters get to see their idol and he gets a big ego boost. It’s a GOTV game for them, too, and debates aren’t going to get MAGA butts off couches and into voting booths.

[basilosaurus]

Sept 12, 2024 11:13:19 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

Sept 12, 2024 11:06:07 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Yes, it’s called palliative care when they are kept comfortable and with the parents immediately after birth. It’s describing an option for a plan of care developed between the doctor and parents. So, let’s be clear, this is the Republican talking point of “abortion after birth” - it’s palliative care. Nurses do things like give the parents a private room, space and support to cope with the impending loss. Doctors answer questions and set expectations about what to expect and for how long. The non-viable infant is held by the parents for the few minutes or hours they survive past birth instead of whisked off to neonatal units and medical interventions that won’t work. The hospital may have other supportive person like counselors and clergy. Parents are given time. When Trump says “They execute the baby” he means the parents. These parents, doctors, nurses, clergy, counselors are who Trump calls executioners - he’s calling the parents and medical team the people who execute the baby.

the fact that this is not obvious to people is seriously mind boggling.

Yes. It is the height of heartless from a group of people that regularly set records for heartlessness. 

Even here in our little online microcosm we've had women endure these heart wrenching losses. They want those precious few moments with their loved and wanted child. And these assholes weaponize it and try to paint it as the biggest evil. I have no other words than cruel, evil, soulless. Basically about the worst a human can be.

[sonrisa]

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Sept 12, 2024 22:43:43 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Sept 12, 2024 11:13:19 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

the fact that this is not obvious to people is seriously mind boggling.

Yes. It is the height of heartless from a group of people that regularly set records for heartlessness. 

Even here in our little online microcosm we've had women endure these heart wrenching losses. They want those precious few moments with their loved and wanted child. And these assholes weaponize it and try to paint it as the biggest evil. I have no other words than cruel, evil, soulless. Basically about the worst a human can be.

As Linda Rondstadt mentioned in that other thread, this is the group that made orphans out of migrant babies, tearing them from their mother's arms. So nothing surprises me. At least here it's just awful words rather than stealing children. (the point when I realized our reality was actually worse than the opening scenes of the handmaid's tale. Those kids were at least sent to homes, not jails). 

[stuffandthings]

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FYI, now Trump supporters are threatening to blow up schools over the fake pet eating that Trump told them is happening: www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/two-springfield-schools-evacuated-another-closed-district-cites-police-info/K26FV7URSVGPTB2IUPSFJCGUDM/

[sonrisa]

Sept 13, 2024 10:08:51 GMT -5 stuffandthings said:

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FYI, now Trump supporters are threatening to blow up schools over the fake pet eating that Trump told them is happening: www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/two-springfield-schools-evacuated-another-closed-district-cites-police-info/K26FV7URSVGPTB2IUPSFJCGUDM/

is there any evidence this is Trump supporters or related to the false allegations about immigrants eating pets? The article only says bomb threats were called into Springfield schools, not by whom or any motivation.

[pixy0stix]

Sept 13, 2024 10:22:41 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Sept 13, 2024 10:08:51 GMT -5 stuffandthings said:

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FYI, now Trump supporters are threatening to blow up schools over the fake pet eating that Trump told them is happening: www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/two-springfield-schools-evacuated-another-closed-district-cites-police-info/K26FV7URSVGPTB2IUPSFJCGUDM/

is there any evidence this is Trump supporters or related to the false allegations about immigrants eating pets? The article only says bomb threats were called into Springfield schools, not by whom or any motivation.

Springfield bomb threat used ‘hateful’ language toward migrants, Haitians, mayor says

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/12/bomb-threat-springfield-ohio-haitian-immigrants/

The person who called them in sounded like a Trump meme.