In a first, young men are more religious than young women

[Michelle]

Sept 23, 2024 17:45:42 GMT -5 sent said:

I'm not a Christian. My religion (as it was taught to me) considers menstruation to be dirty. You are not supposed to participate in [all the religious things] during that time.

I remember feeling second class the moment I learned that in middle school.

I haven't totally dumped it, but I'm taking a break for a few decades to see how things play out.

Have you read the Red Tent? If not, it is kind of based on that premise in the Old Testament and how women turned it around to their benefit. As a young girl in an oppressive patriarchal family, I found the book to be liberating.

[Michelle]

While i think that balancing out trades instead of colleges is a smart economic decision, I wish our high schools taught some of the civics and philosophy I learned in college about what it means to be a contributing member of society.

Sadly, a push of men to trades/non-degreed programs and women to education is likely to continue the divide between open-mindedness and holistic views of the world with men seeking harsh black and white self-serving narratives and women seeking self-actualization.

I don't know if I'm just projecting from my own life but based on other responses in this thread I'm not alone in observing this trend. Whomever said it is a fascinating time to be a sociologist - i agree!

And I think it is a huge reason Project 2025 pushes to eliminate IVF - science and progress have enabled women to need men a lot less than they ever did. And men are seriously threatened. I don't think it's just white men, either, based on some forums I follow to listen and learn in black spaces. Some black men are fierce Trump supporters and their reasoning seems based in misogyny.

Now, cue the Netflix dystopian movie about a future where women are self-actualized scientists, doctors, lawyers, yogis, etc. and men are grunting neanderthals who rise up and kill them all out of incel rage.

[pugz]

I think so many women are leaving because they don't want to be in patriarchal spaces. They know it is BS. And men want to be in these spaces where they are worshipped for being men and can become pastors with LITERALLY NO DEGREE OR TRAINING IT IS UTTER BS AND I HATE IT.

I got strong feelings y'all. The evangelical churches are rotten to the core. Follow Julie Roys/Roys Report on social media and every day you'll see another scandal with a man leading an evangelical church being exposed for clergy sexual abuse, porn, abusing their wives, etc.

[pinkdutchtulips]

Sept 25, 2024 19:32:13 GMT -5 pugz said:

I think so many women are leaving because they don't want to be in patriarchal spaces. They know it is BS. And men want to be in these spaces where they are worshipped for being men and can become pastors with LITERALLY NO DEGREE OR TRAINING IT IS UTTER BS AND I HATE IT.

I got strong feelings y'all. The evangelical churches are rotten to the core. Follow Julie Roys/Roys Report on social media and every day you'll see another scandal with a man leading an evangelical church being exposed for clergy sexual abuse, porn, abusing their wives, etc.

+1 for the same hate.  My dad noted on FB today that today, 48y ago, he became an ordained minister (ELCA). This was after 4y of college and 4y of seminary training that included multiple internships. I cringe at the notion that anyone can call themselves a 'pastor' w/o any formal training. 

This means most evangelical, non-denominational, mega churches are ignored by me.

[picksthemusic]

Sept 25, 2024 9:24:32 GMT -5 Michelle said:

Sept 23, 2024 17:45:42 GMT -5 sent said:

I'm not a Christian. My religion (as it was taught to me) considers menstruation to be dirty. You are not supposed to participate in [all the religious things] during that time.

I remember feeling second class the moment I learned that in middle school.

I haven't totally dumped it, but I'm taking a break for a few decades to see how things play out.

Have you read the Red Tent? If not, it is kind of based on that premise in the Old Testament and how women turned it around to their benefit. As a young girl in an oppressive patriarchal family, I found the book to be liberating.

I read it in my early 20s and remember it being SO good. I need to read it again.