Doug Emhoff Accusations (possible TW)

[klee23]

Oct 6, 2024 20:53:04 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Oct 6, 2024 20:30:56 GMT -5 @villainv said:

One is an employee of his, and one isn’t. That’s a pretty big difference.

Ok, teacher or nanny he engaged in an affair with his child’s caregiver.

The fact that you cannot distinguish a difference between an affair with a nanny- someone in their home and in their payroll- vs a teacher just proves you want you are being intentionally obtuse though I'm sure that's your intent since this is the only thread in your post history. I don't care to defend someone who has cheater in the past but that is between him & kiersten and him & Kamala. He did nothing illegal and did not have a power differential over his affair partner.

[greygoose]

Oct 6, 2024 21:02:01 GMT -5 klee23 said:

Oct 6, 2024 20:53:04 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Ok, teacher or nanny he engaged in an affair with his child’s caregiver.

The fact that you cannot distinguish a difference between an affair with a nanny- someone in their home and in their payroll- vs a teacher just proves you want you are being intentionally obtuse though I'm sure that's your intent since this is the only thread in your post history. I don't care to defend someone who has cheater in the past but that is between him & kiersten and him & Kamala. He did nothing illegal and did not have a power differential over his affair partner.

I never intended to imply he did anything illegal. I was responding to a post about an allegation, which I, for the record, think is unfounded. However, I did point out he has had an affair that he admitted to which shows that he does has love a past. Again, not saying right or wrong - only factual things that have been communicated by him.

[sonrisa]

Oct 6, 2024 21:02:01 GMT -5 klee23 said:

Oct 6, 2024 20:53:04 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Ok, teacher or nanny he engaged in an affair with his child’s caregiver.

The fact that you cannot distinguish a difference between an affair with a nanny- someone in their home and in their payroll- vs a teacher just proves you want you are being intentionally obtuse though I'm sure that's your intent since this is the only thread in your post history. I don't care to defend someone who has cheater in the past but that is between him & kiersten and him & Kamala. He did nothing illegal and did not have a power differential over his affair partner.

im more troubled that she thinks the actions of a candidate’s spouse before they even met are somehow a reflection on that candidate.

A tabloid also printed* that Melania was a call girl before marrying Trump. I don’t see anyone waiving that around as a reflection on his lack of suitability for the presidency. It’s his own actions people abhor. (Not a recent article. 2016. And she sued them for libel).

[taratru]

Oct 6, 2024 20:53:04 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Oct 6, 2024 20:30:56 GMT -5 @villainv said:

One is an employee of his, and one isn’t. That’s a pretty big difference.

Ok, teacher or nanny he engaged in an affair with his child’s caregiver.

I'm gonna sit firmly on the bench of there is a huge difference. But really I'm stuck on teacher = caregiver. No. Just...no.

[klee23]

greygoose

To clarify the illegal comment - just contrasting DE's previous affair being a private matter vs Trump's sexual assaults because I could see that argument coming (not necessarily from you) as Trump had power in those situations & illegally funded the cover up

[greygoose]

Oct 6, 2024 21:22:25 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Oct 6, 2024 21:02:01 GMT -5 klee23 said:

The fact that you cannot distinguish a difference between an affair with a nanny- someone in their home and in their payroll- vs a teacher just proves you want you are being intentionally obtuse though I'm sure that's your intent since this is the only thread in your post history. I don't care to defend someone who has cheater in the past but that is between him & kiersten and him & Kamala. He did nothing illegal and did not have a power differential over his affair partner.

im more troubled that she thinks the actions of a candidate’s spouse before they even met are somehow a reflection on that candidate.

A tabloid also printed* that Melania was a call girl before marrying Trump. I don’t see anyone waiving that around as a reflection on his lack of suitability for the presidency. It’s his own actions people abhor. (Not a recent article. 2016. And she sued them for libel).

I was pointing out that Doug admitted to an affair. Period. In a thread discussing an allegation that someone else posted. He has admitted it, no one is up in arms over it. I was simply pointing out that his hands aren’t clean when it comes to things in his past. I have not said anything about Melania or Trump. At all.

[emilyj]

Oct 6, 2024 20:05:51 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Oct 6, 2024 20:01:54 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

I had no idea Doug Emhoff was running for president.

Sorry, never said he was? The topic was on an accusation which everyone seemed to dismiss. Which is fine, but he admitted to an affair which seems relevant.

Him admitting to an affair is…certainly a leap from an allegation that he hit a woman.

An affair =\= assault.

I’d really like to know how you made that leap.

[sonrisa]

Oct 6, 2024 21:30:38 GMT -5 greygoose said:

I have not said anything about Melania or Trump. At all.

That's right. You haven't said anything about Trump. Nor Harris. Nor Vance. Nor Walz. Not even someone who is likely to hold a cabinet position. 

So no one who is up for election nor likely to hold political office. 

[greygoose]

Oct 6, 2024 21:38:44 GMT -5 emilyj said:

Oct 6, 2024 20:05:51 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Sorry, never said he was? The topic was on an accusation which everyone seemed to dismiss. Which is fine, but he admitted to an affair which seems relevant.

Him admitting to an affair is…certainly a leap from an allegation that he hit a woman.

An affair =\= assault.

I’d really like to know how you made that leap.

I think that any and all assault allegations should be taken seriously, full stop.

I did not equate the two, I was commenting that the affair was part of his past.

[greygoose]

Oct 6, 2024 21:51:31 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Oct 6, 2024 21:30:38 GMT -5 greygoose said:

I have not said anything about Melania or Trump. At all.

That's right. You haven't said anything about Trump. Nor Harris. Nor Vance. Nor Walz. Not even someone who is likely to hold a cabinet position. 

So no one who is up for election nor likely to hold political office. 

Okay, what would you like me to say? That I am pro or against one party or candidate? Does my voice or opinion only matter depending on who I vote for?

[emilyj]

Oct 6, 2024 21:53:20 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Oct 6, 2024 21:38:44 GMT -5 emilyj said:

Him admitting to an affair is…certainly a leap from an allegation that he hit a woman.

An affair =\= assault.

I’d really like to know how you made that leap.

I think that any and all assault allegations should be taken seriously, full stop.

I did not equate the two, I was commenting that the affair was part of his past.

Which…has nothing to do with this.

[cville]

Assault =/= affair

Employee =/= not employee

Person with <20 posts solely about the affair of not a candidate in a thread about a different topic =/= engaging in good faith

[greygoose]

Oct 6, 2024 22:02:45 GMT -5 emilyj said:

Oct 6, 2024 21:53:20 GMT -5 greygoose said:

I think that any and all assault allegations should be taken seriously, full stop.

I did not equate the two, I was commenting that the affair was part of his past.

Which…has nothing to do with this.

Yes, like I stated before, it is part of his past. Thanks!

[greygoose]

Oct 6, 2024 22:08:40 GMT -5 cville said:

Assault =/= affair

Employee =/= not employee

Person with <20 posts solely about the affair of not a candidate in a thread about a different topic =/= engaging in good faith

New posters start somewhere! I haven’t said one thing that was not factual. I was offering information on his past that some seemed to not have heard. The relevance is up for debate I suppose but if this is not the place for a productive discussion about all things politics, then I will respect that and move on.

[aurora]

Oct 6, 2024 22:17:04 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Oct 6, 2024 22:08:40 GMT -5 cville said:

Assault =/= affair

Employee =/= not employee

Person with <20 posts solely about the affair of not a candidate in a thread about a different topic =/= engaging in good faith

New posters start somewhere! I haven’t said one thing that was not factual. I was offering information on his past that some seemed to not have heard. The relevance is up for debate I suppose but if this is not the place for a productive discussion about all things politics, then I will respect that and move on.

Assuming Proboards is accurate you registered in 2014 and your first posts are in this thread? I'm actually kind of impressed that nothing caught your attention in the intervening decade.

In any case, I did see a mention in the news that he had an affair. But I'm 100% in the camp that an affair between two consenting adults and an assault are on such different levels that you can hardly see one from the other.

Of course, as we all remember from Hilary Clinton's candidacy, there's little the public likes to do more than blame a woman for her husband's lapses.

[basilosaurus]

I care about Clinton's assault on Lewinsky only because of rhte power defferential. I care about drumpf bragging about grabbing pussy because of his "star" factor. I do not care about someone like Doug engaging in what sounds like something consensual. Also, it does not reflect on Harris. It's not like staying with mango mussolini reflects on melania's poor decisions.

[wawa]

Whats funny is that I'm the one that asked, but i actually had heard about the affair thing but didnt GAF, since it all seemed like a private thing handled like normal grownups. It didnt even CROSS MY MIND that thats what would be referred to with somebody having a tarnished reputation relevant to an ASSAULT accusation.

[babsbunny]

My attempt at explaining this thread:

Person is accused of past bad behavior, possibly (likely) bogus due to source which is an ok reason to doubt accusation credibility, but don't assume Person didn't do it because of not having any bad behavior in his past because he has admitted to a different type of behavior some (many) would call bad.

I personally don't see a relation in the two bad behaviors and agree with others on there being a big difference between an affair with a nanny vs teacher, but, I *think* I understood PP's original intention of her affair comment.

[themoneytree]

Couldn’t care less that at some time in his past he had an affair.

We’ll see about the alleged assault. I sadly no longer automatically believe anyone who says they have been assaulted and the daily mail is a trash rag.

[laladypoet]

Oct 6, 2024 19:47:32 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Oct 6, 2024 19:41:22 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Per CNN the affair was with his daughter’s teacher.

Is that any better?

infinitely so, yes. lol is this a real question?

[cville]

Oct 6, 2024 22:17:04 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Oct 6, 2024 22:08:40 GMT -5 cville said:

Assault =/= affair

Employee =/= not employee

Person with <20 posts solely about the affair of not a candidate in a thread about a different topic =/= engaging in good faith

New posters start somewhere! I haven’t said one thing that was not factual. I was offering information on his past that some seemed to not have heard. The relevance is up for debate I suppose but if this is not the place for a productive discussion about all things politics, then I will respect that and move on.

I do not see "let's not pretend he has a stellar reputation" as an invite/contribution to a productive discussion about politics. But perhaps reasonable minds could differ on that point.

[wawa]

I do think we're all being a little touchy here honestly. if greygoose wants to pretend that was a comment in good faith, well...ok? Because at the end of the day...i see no reason to jump to defend or condemn Doug Emhoff. He cheated on his first wife, and probably didn't but might have slapped an ex girlfriend. Ok. It doesn't matter if I think that makes him a shitty person or not, because he's not running for office, nor is he trying to be my new BFF or my husband. So it's just a piece of famous person gossip that we can all have opinions on but doesn't actually matter. If more credible evidence comes out that he did in fact assault an ex and Kamala is like, 'so what the bitch probably deserved it' then I care. Till then...I care as much as I do about any story about famous people acting badly.

I very very cynically, looking back at articles about the affair and noting the dates, wonder if the Dems arranged to have that piece of news break when it did, so they could calmly address it, have the ex-wife primed for good responses, etc, knowing that the news was about to get utterly buried under announcing Tim Walz as her VP 2-3 days later. Just get it out of the way at a time when it wasn't going to stay top of mind for anybody for long.

[sonrisa]

Oct 6, 2024 21:56:04 GMT -5 greygoose said:

Oct 6, 2024 21:51:31 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

That's right. You haven't said anything about Trump. Nor Harris. Nor Vance. Nor Walz. Not even someone who is likely to hold a cabinet position. 

So no one who is up for election nor likely to hold political office. 

Okay, what would you like me to say? That I am pro or against one party or candidate? Does my voice or opinion only matter depending on who I vote for?

??

My point, like many here, is that neither Doug nor Melania are running for office. That’s not a partisan statement.

Some others have pointed out that Trump has been convicted of things worse than Doug has been accused of. I find that a meaningless comparison because, again, Trump is a candidate, Doug isn’t.

I assume Melania’s staunch pro-choice perspective wont sway staunch pro-life voters from supporting a trump. She isn’t the candidate and it’s pretty clear Trump’s politics weren’t swayed by her views. Similarly, I don’t think Harris, a past prosecutor, is going to institute pro-punching women policies if these allegations are proven.

(If Doug were the candidate, then this would be a different matter. Especially against someone other than the human cesspool trying to regain the presidency.)

[laladypoet]

Oct 7, 2024 9:19:44 GMT -5 wawa said:

I do think we're all being a little touchy here honestly. if greygoose wants to pretend that was a comment in good faith, well...ok? Because at the end of the day...i see no reason to jump to defend or condemn Doug Emhoff. He cheated on his first wife, and probably didn't but might have slapped an ex girlfriend. Ok. It doesn't matter if I think that makes him a shitty person or not, because he's not running for office, nor is he trying to be my new BFF or my husband. So it's just a piece of famous person gossip that we can all have opinions on but doesn't actually matter. If more credible evidence comes out that he did in fact assault an ex and Kamala is like, 'so what the bitch probably deserved it' then I care. Till then...I care as much as I do about any story about famous people acting badly.

I very very cynically, looking back at articles about the affair and noting the dates, wonder if the Dems arranged to have that piece of news break when it did, so they could calmly address it, have the ex-wife primed for good responses, etc, knowing that the news was about to get utterly buried under announcing Tim Walz as her VP 2-3 days later. Just get it out of the way at a time when it wasn't going to stay top of mind for anybody for long.

in pre-Trump times, maybe it's a harmless comment to make. but not anymore. the right is saying and believing the most insane things, like Biden created the hurricane. they are also saying things that people actually buy into, like Biden isn't helping hurricane victims. so any little bit of give or credence we give them becomes something bigger. If Doug isn't a saint, that'll snowball into him being a sex trafficker. we'll have another pizza-gate before long. so no one needs to come to the defense of greygoose. she knows what she's doing.

[sent]

I interpreted this thread as babsbunny explained. We as a society jump to judge famous people for all their transgressions. I understand the two incidents (one confirmed, one alleged) are not related but I actually did not know the reason his first marriage ended in divorce. Knowing that was the reason does make me silently judge him and his not good decision for participating in the affair. If he made that poor decision, then maybe he's not the best decision maker when it comes to relationships in general.

However I do think this particular accusation is just some Rs trying to get some dirt into the news because they're not finding enough scandalous information in the first place on Kamala or Walz.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Oct 7, 2024 7:40:52 GMT -5 babsbunny said:

My attempt at explaining this thread:

Person is accused of past bad behavior, possibly (likely) bogus due to source which is an ok reason to doubt accusation credibility, but don't assume Person didn't do it because of not having any bad behavior in his past because he has admitted to a different type of behavior some (many) would call bad.

I personally don't see a relation in the two bad behaviors and agree with others on there being a big difference between an affair with a nanny vs teacher, but, I *think* I understood PP's original intention of her affair comment.

Nah, I think it was clearly trying to give something resembling credibility to this particular dubious allegation.

[fryjack2]

Eh. Are an affair and assault the same thing? No.

Are they both actions that reflect, or at one point reflected a person and their character? Yes.

Do we discuss candidates and their circles and their actions on here often? Yes.

I don’t find greygoose’s comment that weird. But if they are a troll or have a history that I am oblivious to, the responses make more sense.

Some times it seems like people have blinders on when it comes to Kamala and Emhoff and Walz. They are all human with flaws.

[laladypoet]

my biggest thing was equating a teacher to a nanny. but also grey goose is a shitty vodka.

[pixy0stix]

Oct 6, 2024 23:32:24 GMT -5 aurora said:

Oct 6, 2024 22:17:04 GMT -5 greygoose said:

New posters start somewhere! I haven’t said one thing that was not factual. I was offering information on his past that some seemed to not have heard. The relevance is up for debate I suppose but if this is not the place for a productive discussion about all things politics, then I will respect that and move on.

Assuming Proboards is accurate you registered in 2014 and your first posts are in this thread? I'm actually kind of impressed that nothing caught your attention in the intervening decade.

In any case, I did see a mention in the news that he had an affair. But I'm 100% in the camp that an affair between two consenting adults and an assault are on such different levels that you can hardly see one from the other.

Of course, as we all remember from Hilary Clinton's candidacy, there's little the public likes to do more than blame a woman for her husband's lapses.

I'm going to guess this is someone who was run off before, and had previously registered a bunch of names.

[pixy0stix]

Y'all, it's a troll. Stop giving it oxygen and let it choke on its own toxicity.