My coworker just told me she hasn't decided yet and it will be a game-time decision. I was shocked!
ETA: She told me this after telling me that her H asked her yesterday how she was planning to vote. How is it possible that a married couple wouldn't talk about that at all until 2 days before the election?
You wouldn't believe the # of people we've come across phone banking today who still say they're undecided. The best are the "I'm extremely prochoice, but I'm still undecided" ones. o_0
You wouldn't believe the # of people we've come across phone banking today who still say they're undecided. The best are the "I'm extremely prochoice, but I'm still undecided" ones. o_0
I don't get what's wrong with that. Abortion isn't the only issue.
I have been anti Obama for a long time. In particular his position on labor relations and his and Biden's goal to userp Americans' rights to vote whether they want a union representing their interests or not. It's not a huge subject in the national debate, but I work in healthcare which is one of the targeted industries and I have looked in the face of people crying because they loved their hospital until the union came in and destroyed the culture, especially when the vote was by a very narrow margin, even with a neutrality agreement in place.
But if I vote Republican as I had hoped (with Huntsman), I will be voting against women's rights, against my gay friends and family members, against important social programs. I want to throw up when I think of casting my vote in that direction.
My state seems more divided than ever before. I think the chance of us going blue is extremely unlikely, but there is a better shot now than I think I've ever witnessed before, so I feel i must pick a side instead of voting libertarian to try to get a 3rd party candidate on the ballot next year - because we have a real chance to do that too.
No matter which way I vote I will feel sick about it.
The only way I think that's possible if for example if you are really staunch fiscal conservative but are torn on social issues. I don't even see how it's likely the other way around even for example those Catholics who are big on government supported social programs but don't like the Dem stance on abortion/BC.
I'm undecided between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.
Apparently they are debating tonight, but I'm going to be busy working on the master bathroom so I don't think I'll get to watch to help me make up my mind.
I'm undecided between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.
Apparently they are debating tonight, but I'm going to be busy working on the master bathroom so I don't think I'll get to watch to help me make up my mind.
This is interesting to me. I heard them debate before on NPR and they were 100% opposite on every issue they debated on. It seems weird to be undecided on them when they were seemingly so different?
But I don't get being undecided at all anyway ha ha
I'm undecided between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.
Apparently they are debating tonight, but I'm going to be busy working on the master bathroom so I don't think I'll get to watch to help me make up my mind.
This is interesting to me. I heard them debate before on NPR and they were 100% opposite on every issue they debated on. It seems weird to be undecided on them when they were seemingly so different?
But I don't get being undecided at all anyway ha ha
It's because I'm all over the place on my stances depending on the topic. In that isidewith.com quiz I come out like 98% percent aligned with Stein and 95% aligned with Johnson.
I'm undecided between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.
Apparently they are debating tonight, but I'm going to be busy working on the master bathroom so I don't think I'll get to watch to help me make up my mind.
This is interesting to me. I heard them debate before on NPR and they were 100% opposite on every issue they debated on. It seems weird to be undecided on them when they were seemingly so different?
But I don't get being undecided at all anyway ha ha
No they aren't.
Support cuts to military spending, no to discourse with Iran, no to patriot act, no to Cuba embargo, end Afghanistan war, decriminalizing drugs, citizenship to children of illegal immigrants, pro gay marriage, anti-dp,etc.
This is interesting to me. I heard them debate before on NPR and they were 100% opposite on every issue they debated on. It seems weird to be undecided on them when they were seemingly so different?
But I don't get being undecided at all anyway ha ha
No they aren't.
Support cuts to military spending, no to discourse with Iran, no to patriot act, no to Cuba embargo, end Afghanistan war, decriminalizing drugs, citizenship to children of illegal immigrants, pro gay marriage, anti-dp,etc.
Oh, ok. They were discussing medicare/medicaid, obamacare and the environment and were very different on those issues at least from the 15 minutes of debate I heard. I apologize as I haven't paid much attention to them since I knew I wasn't going to vote for either.
I'm undecided between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.
Apparently they are debating tonight, but I'm going to be busy working on the master bathroom so I don't think I'll get to watch to help me make up my mind.
Gary Johnson is strongly pro-private prisons. So there's that.
I'm undecided between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.
Apparently they are debating tonight, but I'm going to be busy working on the master bathroom so I don't think I'll get to watch to help me make up my mind.
Gary Johnson is strongly pro-private prisons. So there's that.
yeah, the Libertarians (big L) lose me badly on a couple of issues - and that's definitely one of them.
Post by PinkSquirrel on Nov 5, 2012 13:52:45 GMT -5
I'm still deciding. If I were in a state with a close contest, I would be voting Obama without question, but MA is a Blue state and that gives me the ability to vote how I want without fear of it having a negative impact on how I ultimately want the election to turn out.
Currently, Obama is still on the table with Gary Johnson and Jill Stein. I think of the three Jill Stein will end up with my vote. There's a lot I like about Gary Johnson, but there are a few things I dislike and I swear I can't get a good handle on his abortion politics. Some places I'm reading say he supports bans post viability and others say after the first tri. I'm not a fan of any bans, but post viability is where most states have their cut offs and I don't see a libertarian going after states that allow for post viability abortions. I could feel ok about that. Anyone that wants to ban all abortions after the first tri I can't even being to feel ok about.
I sent in my ballot last Tuesday, but both this year and in 2008 I was relatively undecided until an embarrassingly short time before the election. Not between the Rep and Dem candidates (they are much too different for my to not have a preference between them) but between the Democrat and the Green Party candidate. So I guess I'm sort of a far left swing voter.
I was unsure if I was going to vote Obama or Jill Stein myself. Before the hurricane, I was really thinking Stein. Now that NJs voter turnout won't be what it was, I think I have to vote Obama. I would really kick myself if Obama lost NJ and I voted third party.
I could see being undecided if you think they are both shit sandwiches, but don't want to vote 3rd party.
& that is something I do not get.
While I understand many people view as 3rd party as a wasted vote, you have to remember if a third party candidate gets at least 5% of a vote they will receive more funding for the next election. So, if a third party candidate is really who you share more personal views with, why not vote for them so in the next election year you won't have the "voting for the lesser of two evils" argument I have heard dozens of times.
Question - I'd be voting Green Party without question except for the fact that Johnson actually stands a chance to get the magic 5%. And as a purely symbolic thing I'd REALLY like that to happen. Is that a dumb reason to vote for him?
I agree with him more than I do with Obama and I'd be voting for Obama if I were in a swing state.
I could see being undecided if you think they are both shit sandwiches, but don't want to vote 3rd party.
& that is something I do not get.
While I understand many people view as 3rd party as a wasted vote, you have to remember if a third party candidate gets at least 5% of a vote they will receive more funding for the next election. So, if a third party candidate is really who you share more personal views with, why not vote for them so in the next election year you won't have the "voting for the lesser of two evils" argument I have heard dozens of times.
Personally, I'm voting 3rd party, so it's not a problem for me. But I can understand not thinking a 3rd party vote is worthwhile, or thinking that voting 3rd party isn't a path to a better situation. I know I've read comments on facebook (scientific I know) from people who live in countries that have more than 2 parties and how they don't like it for various reasons.
I can also see thinking a 3rd party is better built from the ground up so you wouldn't be into getting the 5%. IDK. There are a lot of reasons to not want to vote 3rd party.
Question - I'd be voting Green Party without question except for the fact that Johnson actually stands a chance to get the magic 5%. And as a purely symbolic thing I'd REALLY like that to happen. Is that a dumb reason to vote for him?
I agree with him more than I do with Obama and I'd be voting for Obama if I were in a swing state.
If he is the candidate that represents you the best, vote for him.
Question - I'd be voting Green Party without question except for the fact that Johnson actually stands a chance to get the magic 5%. And as a purely symbolic thing I'd REALLY like that to happen. Is that a dumb reason to vote for him?
I agree with him more than I do with Obama and I'd be voting for Obama if I were in a swing state.
I don't think it's a dumb reason, but that would mean that only the Libertarian Party would be able to apply for matching campaign funding in the next election. It wouldn't help all 3rd parties. So you'd have to consider if you want the Libertarian Party to become THE preeminent third party.
I see benefits and drawbacks to that, so I can't answer for you.
I get it. I am not "undecided" but I am definitely not thrilled about my choices and I can see someone who is still looking for that one moment of inspiration (or something damning) to put them over the edge.
In my case, I am going to hold my nose and vote for the person who best represents *some* of my views. But after reading this thread, I may need to do more research on the 3d party candidates. So, perhaps I am undecided after all!
Question - I'd be voting Green Party without question except for the fact that Johnson actually stands a chance to get the magic 5%. And as a purely symbolic thing I'd REALLY like that to happen. Is that a dumb reason to vote for him?
I agree with him more than I do with Obama and I'd be voting for Obama if I were in a swing state.
If he is the candidate that represents you the best, vote for him.
He's not...but it's close. (see private prison comment for one of the places where he does not at all represent me) But the basic philosphy of the party is something i can get behind on a federal level. For the most part anyway.
The green party loses me in other issues - but they are mostly issues where i don't have as strong of a gut reaction.
Question - I'd be voting Green Party without question except for the fact that Johnson actually stands a chance to get the magic 5%. And as a purely symbolic thing I'd REALLY like that to happen. Is that a dumb reason to vote for him?
I agree with him more than I do with Obama and I'd be voting for Obama if I were in a swing state.
Same here. Plus, she is too much of a pacifist, even for me (and don't get me started on the prison money making machine already). Plus, I like his retroactively lowering sentences for drug convictions,
If he is the candidate that represents you the best, vote for him.
He's not...but it's close. (see private prison comment for one of the places where he does not at all represent me) But the basic philosphy of the party is something i can get behind on a federal level. For the most part anyway.
The green party loses me in other issues - but they are mostly issues where i don't have as strong of a gut reaction.
I don't think there is a candidate out there that can share everyone's personal views 100%. There is going to be differences so you have to determine if those differences are big deal breakers.
While I understand many people view as 3rd party as a wasted vote, you have to remember if a third party candidate gets at least 5% of a vote they will receive more funding for the next election. So, if a third party candidate is really who you share more personal views with, why not vote for them so in the next election year you won't have the "voting for the lesser of two evils" argument I have heard dozens of times.
Would this funding be the same as what Rs and Ds get on their own, or capped at a lower level? Because I feel like even with funding, you will still have the choice of two realistic options in the future. I supported some third party candidates at a more local level, but I don't think any third party will be ready for presidential challenges in the next decade, regardless of whether or not they reach the 5% threshold this time around.
I think this is a good point. As far as I know the 3rd party would get 90 million or whatever it is adjusted to for 2016. I don't think either of the major party candidates are going to take it after Obama rejecting it in 2008 and raising way more than that on his own. I don't think Romney or Obama accepted it this yr correct?
FEC v. Davis really gutted matching funds for publicly funded elections, so they would not be able to get matching funds to waht teh candidates could raise on their own (although as noted above, there is a cap anyway).