I don't think someone not coming back to give a "sign" that they're living the good afterlife should be an absolute for there not being some kind of afterlife. Maybe there is not an afterlife, maybe there is, and the soul felt no draw towards this world anymore. Science can't prove anything right now, so you're either going to believe it or not.
However, I don't think that science's inability to say "look! This is what happens! Here's the data, walla!" means that nothing is out there. Maybe this really is it. Or maybe we haven't found the tools to describe/analyze and quantify what is beyond our physical world.
Personally, I think there is more. Not a dance on puffy clouds down the yellow brick road from God and Jesus, but I do think that there is a heaven. Simply put, I think it is just being in the presence of God (not just the God defined by Christians), and God giving your soul a feeling of eternal peace. Maybe that includes the souls/presence of your loved ones who have gone before. Maybe that is being back here for a time to visit those still alive on Earth. Maybe that includes coming to them in dreams. I sure as heck don't know. But I do know that even though science can explain a lot, there is a lot more it has yet to explain, and that each discovery always leads to more questions.
So I think it is pretty short sighted to say "science can't prove it, therefore it cannot exist."
I like to think we end up on another planet, since space is infinite. An awesome planet, a perfect world. That's my Spielberg theory anyway. But in all likelihood, the lights just go out. And that's that.
I don't know, but I'm honestly not worried about it. I'm a Christian, and I pray on a regular basis - I've had some amazeballs Oprah style AHA moments while praying/meditating. I acknowledge that Heaven and Hell are in the Bible, but there's a lot of things in the Bible that I don't believe.
I think if you look for answers in a church, you won't find them, because a church is made by people, NOT GOD or whomever you believe. Religion is a business, spirituality is private and personal.
I was atheist for awhile, but since I've become more spiritual I've grown a lot more peaceful. So if there's nothing there in the blue sky when I kick the bucket, and I just rot somewhere, I'm totally cool with that, bc I don't have my faith just so I can end up in a cloud.
i really do believe we meet those we have loved and lost and that it is just a peaceful place.
I took a sociology class, Death and Dying, and when we looked at people who had had near death experiences, they all describe the same thing. they are of different backgrounds, religion, etc and all said the same thing.
I'm not afraid of dying, but I am no way ready to go yet.
Post by melindafelinda on May 24, 2012 13:26:20 GMT -5
As I said, I don't believe anything happens. I used to be very afraid of this when I was younger. But after time I actually think it is more comforting. I don't have to worry about what a possible afterlife might be like. Because for me, there isn't one. So I appreciate my life for what it is and I'm present in the here and now.
ETA that I have certainly thought at times how comforting it would be to believe in an afterlife and reuniting with your loved ones. I just don't believe it.
Exactly this. I would love to think that we live forever in heaven, but I just don't.
Also, I was thinking it would be so much easier to just say "God made it" or whatever than to explain EVERYTHING to Edith. Twice.
As I said, I don't believe anything happens. I used to be very afraid of this when I was younger. But after time I actually think it is more comforting. I don't have to worry about what a possible afterlife might be like. Because for me, there isn't one. So I appreciate my life for what it is and I'm present in the here and now.
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Post by OHMBLEEGOHHHHH! on May 24, 2012 13:47:39 GMT -5
I don't believe anything happens to you, you just cease. I have no problems believing that - I'm dead, I'm not going to realize I'm not existing anymore.
i really do believe we meet those we have loved and lost and that it is just a peaceful place.
I took a sociology class, Death and Dying, and when we looked at people who had had near death experiences, they all describe the same thing. they are of different backgrounds, religion, etc and all said the same thing.
I'm not afraid of dying, but I am no way ready to go yet.
They mostly imagine seeing a bright light which is what happens when that part of your brain begins to shut down. You should read this
Post by lifesapeach on May 24, 2012 13:52:33 GMT -5
I'm surprised to see that so many people think nothing happens at all. I'm not religious, but I do believe we have souls, and I think souls can continue on past our bodies.
I'm surprised to see that so many people think nothing happens at all. I'm not religious, but I do believe we have souls, and I think souls can continue on past our bodies.
We don't have souls. We are fancy pieces of meat with fancy wiring.
i really do believe we meet those we have loved and lost and that it is just a peaceful place.
I took a sociology class, Death and Dying, and when we looked at people who had had near death experiences, they all describe the same thing. they are of different backgrounds, religion, etc and all said the same thing.
I'm not afraid of dying, but I am no way ready to go yet.
They mostly imagine seeing a bright light which is what happens when that part of your brain begins to shut down. You should read this
I am not sure what I believe. I am easily persuaded by what I perceive to be logical, so my beliefs change from time to time. I do believe in some sort of higher power, but I am not really sure what. The beliefs of individuals (in gods, beliefs, etc.) have changed so much over time (from many different gods, to one God, and so on) that I believe that there is most likely something to believe in, but I don't necessarily believe that any one religion has that something down pat.
With that being said, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that there is a type of heaven where people who live GOOD lives go and some type of hell where evil people go (but I don't think there are rules set in stone as to what constitutes a "good" life versus an "evil" life - i.e. I think you can make major mistakes and still live a "good" life). I also believe that spirits could be reincarnated after a certain period of time.
Since there is also a thread on irrational fears - there is an interesting theory that people who have MAJOR irrational fears (i.e. of deep water without ever having almost drowned, or car accidents without ever having been in one, etc.) may have died that way in a previous life, if one believes in the possibility of reincarnation.
Post by BieberMyBalls on May 24, 2012 14:07:05 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what I believe in. I use to think that once we died, that was it. When my Dad died, my mom, sisters, and I went to a Medium. I was really skeptical, and expected her to give us these very vague answers. This woman told us things about my Dad, that you can't just google. Things about him and our family that you couldn't just guess. She only knew my first name, and cell phone number and yet mentioned that I read a poem for him at his funeral, and that I was creative and into art. She mentioned my Mom having his hat and a picture of him in her car, and that it was getting dusty. She mentioned quite a few relatives and their characteristics that no one but the people who knew them could possibly know.
It completely fucked my former beliefs. I don't however, believe in organized religion or what the bible preaches. I just hope to hell there is something after death.
Since we don't know if it's real or not, I have no problems with it being a trick of the mind. Trick or no, I think we get to see those people again, talk to them, touch them, etc. And perhaps believing that will make it so for in my mind, in the small amount of time.
My grandfather who suffered for two years with colon cancer died with a soft smile on his face. At the very least, I believe in those final moments all the pain just goes away.
several years ago I dreamt that this whole time my dad had been living it up, hiding away at some nice tropical resort. I found him yucking it by the pool. Perhaps I was just getting a glimpse of "heaven".