Let's discuss-Dallas Cowboys manslaughter

[tigress]

Obviously drinking and driving is a horrific lapse in judgement.

But they were best friends. He obviously didn't mean to kill his best friend. A lapse in judgement doesn't mean he isn't grieving his best friend.

The whole thing is sad.

[Deleted]

Have they confirmed if alcohol was involved?

I'm confused about the woman who said that Brent refused to help remove Brown from the car. I'm assuming that if he did refuse it was because he was in shock.

[EmilieMadison]

Thoughts on what? Whether or not he should go to the memorial? Of course he should. The family wants him there, as does the team. This was his best friend and he's going to live with the consequences of his horrible judgement for the rest of his life. He's allowed to mourn, too.

[speckledfrog]

I think it's easy for us to see him completely as a bad guy because we don't know him. I think it's very telling that the Brown family is still welcoming to him and I think it speaks to the nature of their relationship. You can do bad thing and still be a good person. The whole situation is really sad.

[eddy]

I agree with what Tigress said.

And Jerry agreed to get in the car, I assume knowing his friend had been drinking. I am glad the family welcomed him to the service. This is a terrible consequence to a bad decision.

Also with this incident and the KC Chiefs player last week I am suprised that athletes are out getting wasted 48 hrs before a game. My body would be worthless if I did that. I suppose they are used to it.

[Deleted]

I just hope he pays for his stupid action.

He should be able to go to the memorial, funeral, etc. He was a friend and a teammate. It was a stupid decision to get behind the wheel while intoxicated.

My heart hurts for all involved.

[Deleted]

My issue is that the article I read mentioned he has done time for DUIs in the past. Clearly, if this is true, this was not a one time occurrence for him, he has been punished in the past and has learned nothing from it, and now he caused an accident that killed someone, while he gets to walk away (physically).


ETA: Clarity, I hope.

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Dec 11, 2012 9:33:07 GMT -5 @pixiechinchilla said:

My issue is that the article I read mentioned he has done time for DUIs in the past. Clearly, if this is true, this was not a one time occurrence for him, he has been punished in the past and has learned nothing from it, and now he caused an accident that killed someone, while he gets to walk away.

Will he walk away though? Won't he still have to face the consequences legally for vehicular manslaughter?

[EmilieMadison]

Dec 11, 2012 9:33:07 GMT -5 @pixiechinchilla said:

My issue is that the article I read mentioned he has done time for DUIs in the past. Clearly, if this is true, this was not a one time occurrence for him, he has been punished in the past and has learned nothing from it, and now he caused an accident that killed someone, while he gets to walk away.

What do you mean "gets to walk away"? Uninjured? Yes. Without consequence? No. There will be emotional, financial, and legal consequences for his actions.

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Dec 11, 2012 9:33:07 GMT -5 @pixiechinchilla said:

My issue is that the article I read mentioned he has done time for DUIs in the past. Clearly, if this is true, this was not a one time occurrence for him, he has been punished in the past and has learned nothing from it, and now he caused an accident that killed someone, while he gets to walk away.

He won't get to walk away. He will get a minimum of 2 years and a max of 20, plus a fine. Texas doesn't fuck around when it comes to DUI/DWI/Intoxication Manslaughter

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Dec 11, 2012 9:35:01 GMT -5 @lazerus24 said:

Dec 11, 2012 9:33:07 GMT -5 @pixiechinchilla said:

My issue is that the article I read mentioned he has done time for DUIs in the past. Clearly, if this is true, this was not a one time occurrence for him, he has been punished in the past and has learned nothing from it, and now he caused an accident that killed someone, while he gets to walk away.

Will he walk away though? Won't he still have to face the consequences legally for vehicular manslaughter?

I sure hope so.
I meant he gets to walk away, physically, though. Whether he does more jail time for drinking and driving or not, he's alive and his friend isn't.

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And he has to live with the fact that he killed his friend.

[Deleted]

I get what you guys are saying, my issue is just that from what I've read this wasn't a new behavior for him. I'm not saying he won't have consequences, it's just frustrating to see someone so willing to put themselves and everyone else on the road in danger over and over again, even when they've faced consequences for it in the past.

[Deleted]

I have a zero tolerance policy for drinking and driving, so I get what you are saying pixie.

But I have a feeling that this man is already distraught and he will have alot to face for the rest of his life. I feel sorry for him. We have all made bad decisions, his just ruined his life and killed his friend. It is sad all around.

[Deleted]

Also, I am NOT saying that he should not be allowed to attend the memorial or funeral or anything like that. Just FYI.

[leeluu]

Did you see his face when he walked out of jail? I started crying. It was the worst expression anyone could ever had. Whatever jail time he does, I believe he is "paying" for it brutally.

[eddy]

I am with lazerus. I feel sympathy for him. I can't imagine living with that pain of knowing I killed someone because of my own actions. he will face legal, moral, financial and emotional consequences his whole life. His NFL career is over I am sure. He has killed his best friend. He is going to do jail time. He will be judged for the rest of his life. People won't want to associate with him. It will not be a walk in the park.

[speckledfrog]

Dec 11, 2012 9:43:00 GMT -5 eddy said:

His NFL career is over I am sure.

I wouldn't be so sure. The NFL seems pretty tolerant with legal issues.

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Dec 11, 2012 9:45:20 GMT -5 speckledfrog said:

Dec 11, 2012 9:43:00 GMT -5 eddy said:

His NFL career is over I am sure.

I wouldn't be so sure. The NFL seems pretty tolerant with legal issues.

Case in point: Michael Vick.

[eddy]

Dec 11, 2012 9:45:20 GMT -5 speckledfrog said:

Dec 11, 2012 9:43:00 GMT -5 eddy said:

His NFL career is over I am sure.

I wouldn't be so sure. The NFL seems pretty tolerant with legal issues.

Well sure they are. But not everyone can come back after years in the slammer and keep up physically. Vick did it. But there are a slew of others who didn't.

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Dec 11, 2012 9:30:38 GMT -5 skippingstones said:

I just hope he pays for his stupid action.

He should be able to go to the memorial, funeral, etc. He was a friend and a teammate. It was a stupid decision to get behind the wheel while intoxicated.

My heart hurts for all involved.

Yup. He can go to the memorial. I'm sure he's sorry his friend died. But guilt and sorrow don't mitigate criminal responsibility.

[suzyp]

Dec 11, 2012 10:00:49 GMT -5 sameoldash said:

Dec 11, 2012 9:50:58 GMT -5 @habbsies said:

Yup. He can go to the memorial. I'm sure he's sorry his friend died. But guilt and sorrow don't mitigate criminal responsibility.

this is where i am. every single nfl player has access to the nfl safe ride program, or they could have just hired a car when they went out in the first place (umm hi, you make BANK) since they knew they planned on drinking. it's upsetting that he does have a past with driving under the influence like pixie says, and yet he (they) still chose to not take advantage of the FREE service provided to them when they are intoxicated. that is frustrating.

of course it's a horrifying situation, and i feel so sad for him and jerry's family, and the entire cowboys organization, but i just don't get it.

Strahan made a comment in passing on Sunday that players don't like to use this because then the teams know that you are out drinking, which is something I never thought of. This whole thing is just senseless, don't want to use the free service, hire your own car or get in a cab.

I doubt that he'll play again - I think he may be in prison for an amount of time that will preclude that, especially because he has another DUI in his past.

[MWOS]

We ran in the same circle during/after college. I didn't know either of them well enough to mourn (you know, beyond the general way) but I have a lot of friends who are hurting right now. He did get away with it the first time, during undergrad. He got a slap on the wrist. I wish he hadn't.

[laptopvixen]

I'm not totally on board with the Dallas Cowboys organization being "supportive".

I am totally on board with the victim's family being supportive.

The whole thing is just awful.

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[quote author=laptopvixen board=ml thread=103627 post=1720458 time=1355240227]I'm not totally on board with the Dallas Cowboys organization being "supportive".

I am totally on board with the victim's family being supportive.

The whole thing is just awful.

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That's Jerry Jones trying to get people to like him 8-D

[morgan2004]

I will never understand men and the "superman" syndrome as I call it. I don't know if they think it's not "manly" to admit they are wasted or always think they are in control or what. Obviously women drive drunk too but this seems more of a man thing.

I don't know, it's just sad all around. I know someone who was killed by a drunk driver and another person who actually killed someone and he's never been the same......I wish more people would think about that.