Fringe Series Finale

[karinothing]

I know I saw a post about this last Friday, but I can't find it now so I am starting a new one.

I LOVED the finale. I loved how they sort of brought back all of the things that made me love the show (the old fringe cases, the other dimension, the cow ).

I cried when Walter told Astrid her name was beautiful. I cried when Walter left. I hate that September had to die

So, when Whitmore (is that his name, the head observer dude) died was that Olivia using her powers to do that (like in the hallway when the lights went out) or was it the boy?

I am glad they got Etta back.

[karinothing]

Oh and I just want to say that the scene between Walter and Peter was one of the best father son momments I have ever seen on TV.

ETA: Expecially the line "You are my favorite thing, my very favorite thing"

Which I may have said to DS when I hugged him this morning.

[LoveTrains]

Yes, it was Olivia who was able to use her powers to kill him. Clearly the observers could not "expect" that kind of reaction so they couldn't plan ahead for it.

[dottyblue]

Jan 23, 2013 14:53:33 GMT -5 RockNVoll said:

I like how they wrapped it all up and had pretty much the same reactions as you to everything. It was funny, right before they showed the cow (like literally two seconds before) I made the comment to DH that there was no cow this season. I'm such a mind reader.

Olivia killed Whitmore.

Loved the favorite thing line too.

I kind of wish September had been able to take Michael forward so that Walter could stay, but the way it ended was fine too.

Right up until the episode ended I kept thinking, "But there's so much more they have to wrap up! How can it be over in [15, 10, 5] minutes?!" Somehow they wrapped it up without rushing it, which didn't seem possible even in the last few minutes.

I kind of sat through the entire two hours in a sad stupor. I'm so disappointed it's over, but they really did the series justice. Walter and Peter's moment was so sweet, the return to the past with Etta and Peter's realization of what happened was just... brilliant. I haven't been able to delete it from my DVR yet. I may need to watch it again.

and Olivia didn't kill Whitmore, did she? I thought Michael did it. Which is why he held his finger up to Olivia like "shhhh" after it was done. Am I wrong here?

[karinothing]

blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/01/18/fringe-series-finale-tv-recap/

This recap says Michael killed Whidmore. But I don't know!

[karinothing]

Well, i think Michael can see into teh future. Maybe the shush just meant like hold on it will work itself out or whatever. I am not sure?

[LoveTrains]

Maybe because Michael is an empath he was able to reflect Olivia's power but bigger? Almost like how he was making Whitmore's nose bleed because he was reflecting the mind reading back onto him?

In any case, I still don't get the whole tulip thing at the end. How was Peter able to realize what happened? That stuff in the future wouldn't have occurred because they changed time. This whole time travel thing is what has just been blowing my mind.

[karinothing]

I don't think Peter was able to realize what happened. I think Peter was just like hmm what a weird thing for Walter to send to me. I think we the viewer were supposed to know that it the White Tulip is seen by Walter as God's forgiveness and he is asking Peter to forgive him. It also signifies hope and undying love.

But I don't get how Walter mailed him the letter from the future? I mean in the video it seemed like Walter would just disappear in 2015 and he had existed before then so I guess he could have mailed the letter before then but how would he know he needed to mail it? I don't really get that.

I think Peter must know what it means since the events of the episode in White Tulip should have happened prior to time being reset.

[gibbinator]

I thought it was pretty good too.

I believed Olivia killed Whitmore. It's how the scene seemd to happen. I thought Michaels shushing just meant stay still, stay where you are. Since the very next thing that happened was September coming for Michael and getting shot. It seemed like Michael was waiting for that to play out.

I'm so sad September died. I was happy that the plan had changed for him to take Michael to the future because it meant not only would he continue to exist (and not be wiped out with the other observers) but he'd get to finally live with the son he'd protected for so long.

I also found it odd that Walter sent the flower since he'd have had to send it before being erased. Unless, again, we suppose the Walter who went to the future was able to arrange for it being sent back in time once time travel was invented..... Or maybe Walter invented time travel seeing as he learned the technology in his past.... Time travel is so confusing.

[LoveTrains]

Yeah I didn't get it at all how Walter was able to send the flower from the future. It doesn't make any sense.

[karinothing]

So I was reading on a Fringe forum that the white tulip letter was sent to Peter prior to the timeline being re-set. So basically Walter's plan was in place prior to the invasion in 2015. I think because they knew that the observers were evil right? Even before the invasion, they knew they had to be stopped, they just didn't get a chance to do it before the invasion/freezing in amber situation.

So to break it down.

Walter and Donald/September realized Observers were bad and had to be stopped. They created the plan and the video. Walter mailed the white tulip to Peter to show his undying love since he knew he would be disappearing forever.

In the world where the invasion happened either Peter never went home or the mail never got delivered because the Observers came and F'd everything up.

In the world where time was reset Peter was able to get home and get the letter.

Does that make sense?

[hannamaren]

But how can both timelines overlap and the mail pass between?

And if September and the others never get invented (to stop the invasion) then September never saves Peter in the lake and he dies.

[karinothing]

September and the others don't never get invented. They just get invented with emotions. The boy was there to show them that you didn't need to sacrifice emotion for intelligence.

The timelines didn't overlap. Remember it was one time line UP until the moment the invaders came. So everything that happened prior to the invasion (so all previous 4 seasons) still happened just in the original invasion timeline the invasion happened and in the new timeline it didn't and they could go about living their lives.

So, the observers were still created (just this time in the image of the boy, not in the cold emotional image that they were in the original timeline). September still went back and saved them. Remember in the beginning when he saved them from the ice he said something like "The boy is important he must live." He was talking about his own son at that point. So he knew about his son in the future and I think knew about Walter going into the future and fixing everything.

ETA: To change my theory ha!

[hannamaren]

I still dont see how the mail works. As if time splits into two possibiltiies right at that moment? And the letter was sent before that?
I normally find anomalies in time travel storylines.

[gibbinator]

Wait a sec. I'm just realizing, didn't Peter actually die in this time line? So September didn't save him? It's just that Peter and Olivia remember it differently because of her cortexiphan

[LoveTrains]

Jan 23, 2013 21:14:12 GMT -5 karinothing said:

September and the others don't never get invented. They just get invented with emotions. The boy was there to show them that you didn't need to sacrifice emotion for intelligence.

The timelines didn't overlap. Remember it was one time line UP until the moment the invaders came. So everything that happened prior to the invasion (so all previous 4 seasons) still happened just in the original invasion timeline the invasion happened and in the new timeline it didn't and they could go about living their lives.

So, the observers were still created (just this time in the image of the boy, not in the cold emotional image that they were in the original timeline). September still went back and saved them. Remember in the beginning when he saved them from the ice he said something like "The boy is important he must live." He was talking about his own son at that point. So he knew about his son in the future and I think knew about Walter going into the future and fixing everything.

ETA: To change my theory ha!

Ok, generally I am pretty good with following Fringe. Like I had no problems with the alternate universe, Peter ceasing to exist when he got into the machine, what have you.

When you mean one timeline up, you are talking about the fact that since Peter died as a child, September didn't have to save him from the ice? See, that is the part that I am struggling with, because when Walter was all crazy hallucinating in that episode with the green fairy he was remembering going across the ice, falling into it, being rescued by September, etc. 

[karinothing]

Ok, hmm. I guess I need to break it down from the beginning (to better understand it myself!) ha ha.

Ok

FIRST initial timeline in the show:

Peter dies in our universe. Walter goes to alt universe. Steals Peter and cures him, but they fall through the ice and are rescued by September.

Timeline 2: In the amber season, when there is the portal between both worlds created by Peter, September failed to save them and both versions of Peter die at age 7.

Then we all know that Peter doesn't really stay gone and he pops up as an adult in the lake and even though the Fringe team doesn't initially remember him but then Olivia begins to remember the old timeline they have sex and create Etta (Olivia is pregnant when she is shot and killed and then brought back to life by Walter).

It is at that point when September comes and warns Walter "they are coming" refering to the Observers. So September knows about the future invasion. This is sometime in late 2012-2013.

So at this point in 2012-2013. Peter is back. Oliva and him are raising their child. Walter has accepted that Peter is his son, but I am assuming doesn't have any memories of the childhood or whatever since i think only Olivia is the one that can remember all timelines.

2015 - Observers invade. Etta is seperated from her parents.

2016: Fringe team encases themselves in amber.

2036: Fringe team removed from amber work on the plan created by Walter and September/Donald in 2012-2015. Michael touches Walt and shows him the other timelines and how he originally saved Peter from the ice.

So 2036: Walter and Michael go into the future and presumably and change the path of humanity.

Zoom back to 2015. Etta is a child. Peter and Olivia. September never saved Peter BUT he is still in this world becuase he was able to pop back into the timeline and Olivia remembered him. Peter should still remember both timelines (becuase I think he always did). He gets the letter because Walter and Donald/September were working on the plan in 2012-2015 and they knew when the invaders were going to invade. Therefore Walt was able to set it up so that Peter would recieve the letter on the day of the inviasion is the invasion did not happen. If it did happen presumably he wouldn't have gotten the letter even though it still would have been sent becuase well everything went to hell and who has time to check the mail when the world is being invaded.

So IN conlusion

Yes both Peters did die at age 7. BUT Peter was able to pop back into time in both timelines so that is how he is there and why September never needed to rescue him later.

I am guessing Walt remember stuff in the episode with the Green fairy becuase the LSD opened up his mind to other timelines?

[LoveTrains]

Kari, thank you very much for the summary, I get it now. I forgot that in the alt timeline that September doesn't save Peter, which is why he doesn't exist in that timeline until he pops back up as an adult.

[karinothing]

Ha you are welcome! There is a lot to remember in the shower. I feel like someone needs to create a summary show for me to watch lol.