Crossfit and Paleo - a fad or here to stay?

[moonstone523]

Discuss.

It's been a long while since I've been hanging in H&F and now every post is Crossfit this, Paleo that. Will it last? Is it here to stay?

[joenali]

Oooh and you are expecting!! Congrats!!

I don't know about crossift. I've never done it so I can't say much about it. On the outside it seems very fadish, but look at the results people are getting from these workouts, ya know?? You can't argue with results. So it could be popular for a long time.

I might try a few months of it on the triathlon off season. I'd like to lose more weight and gain more muscle and you can't do that when you don't have time to lift!

[blinkinglight1]

If so, I'm right on trend!

The way I look at it is, I want to be healthy. I have read and researched lots about paleo and cf. I like how I feel when I'm doing it. For now, it's how I chose to stay healthy. As more studies and research is done, it may change, but my desire to be healthy will not change and I will always be reading to determine how best to keep myself fit.

There are things I don't like about paleo and cf. for example, this elitist attitude that comes with it. Hate that.

[blinkinglight1]

Also- I wouldn't call paleo a fad. People have been eating this way for, oh, thousands of years??

[suzyp]

I think both are here to stay. I have been doing Crossfit for more than 3 years, so I don't think it's a fad. CF has gotten more popular, in part, because Crossfit HQ has done more "advertising" for lack of a better word and has been affiliated with Reebok for the last year, which has given them more exposure. I think it will hit a peak and many people will move onto something else, but I think it's a fitness regime that will continue and since Paleo is so intermixed with CF, that will stay too.

[katinthehat]

I think it has staying power but it's most definitely all the rage right now and I don't see it sustaining that sort of popularity forever

[sadlebred]

Probably both are fads for being so trendy right now. Having said that, I think they will both be around for a while (think Jazzercise) but maybe not as popular a few years down the road.

[moonstone523]

I tried Crossfit once and was the most sore Ive ever been in my life. Like I had to go right to the chiro for a deep tissue massage on my IT band so I could walk.

Then I got preggers. I promptly ended the torture.

What interests me is to see if people who have been doing CF for a year or so start to suffer injuries. Seems like with running after a short amount of time, you might end up on the bench. Does CF have that?

[lauren170]

My personal opinion is that the paleo diet works well because it advocates for high protein low carbs/sugar and no processed crap which makes us fat. I "believe in" the book Why we Get Fat by Gary Taubes. That book has the science behind it. I don't believe in calorie counting which has been the main stream/ "fad" for a while. I think Paleo can get big results for anyone that follows it. The one thing I don't like about paleo is it cuts out milk. I don't agree with that.

[Wines Not Whines]

Doesn't Paleo cut out two entire food groups (carbs and dairy?). I don't see that being sustainable long term for most people. It sounds like the latest fad diet to become trendy. I'm not sure about CF itself.

[lauren170]

Well the 90/10 rule applies to paleo too. I would never do something like long term without building in room for special occasions.

[texassmith]

May 31, 2012 22:16:56 GMT -5 sadlebred said:

Probably both are fads for being so trendy right now. Having said that, I think they will both be around for a while (think Jazzercise) but maybe not as popular a few years down the road.

Jazzercise is exactly what I thought of too.

[labbie]

I know both are 'the rage' right now, so will they fall out of the mainstream? Perhaps.
But I don't see the principles that Crossfit is based on going away anytime soon.
It's as basic as it gets- I think of it as 'functional fitness'. As with any new fitness routine it's important to work with a trainer that knows their stuff and avoid overuse injury,etc. etc.

I don't consider myself a Paleo eater (I love cheese and carbs too much!), but when I read through the principles I found that by trying to eat an overall healthy diet (with splurges built in) I am often following many of the guidelines.

[juangela]

As a follower of both principles, I say hell no, lol. But I might be partial.

Paleo is a way of life. Contrary to popular belief, it is not about cutting carbs, we still eat plenty of fruit, which equals carbs. It is cutting out grains/legumes/dairy. I think of it as the pre-agriculture diet. So, if you can pick it off of a tree or bush, kill it and eat it, or find it in nature you're good.

People have been eating this way since the beginning of time. Does that diet look exactly like what I consider paleo? Definitely not. Will it lose its popularity when the next "big thing" comes out? Maybe. But what won't go away is how good I feel when I'm cutting out pre-agriculture foods 95% of the time. I consider myself "paleo for life."

CrossFit will likely lose some popularity. However, my husband started CF about 3 years ago. It isn't really all that new, and I don't consider it a "fad" in the same way that jazzercise or step aerobics or zumba was/is because it is more than a type of exercise, it is a philosophy of how to be fit. So, while some people may leave CF once it's "cool" factor wears off, the hardcore devotees are not going anywhere. Honestly, I don't know that I could workout in a regular gym again anyway! CF is such a perfect fit for my mentality towards fitness and overall well-being that something pretty comparable would need to come out for me to think about switching it up.

[penelope]

Because of some dietary restrictions that I have, and not liking the replacement foods that are offered too much, I just realized about 2 weeks ago that I have been following the paleo diet for 3 years now, without knowing that's what it really was. No fad here, just what I need to do to stay healthy and feeling good. I am sure though, that there are people out there that feel it will be their quick, easy fix, just like Atkins, South Beach and Grapefruit. When they realize that it too requires work and discipline, they will be off to another one. The ones that truly believe it will always be.

I remember when "Curves for Women" opened up in my area, and every person I knew thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. Since then, it has actually closed (in my area anyway). Like Juangela said, cross fit is more of a lifestyle, from what I have read about it, but I think that too can be a fad. Too many people think it is going to be their "quick fix" and jump on the band wagon, only to find out that it requires work, and they fall off quickly. The ones that truly believe and love it will stick with it though. I don't think it will ever go away, but I think the popularity of it will die down, then something new will come about and that will be the next big thing to do. Until they realize that it too, requires work and discipline, and they move on to something else. (Sketchers anyone?)

[osulori]

I'm with Sadlebred on this...I see both sticking around for a while, but not having quite the popularity they do now.

[Brie]

Jun 1, 2012 4:49:45 GMT -5 Wines Not Whines said:

Doesn't Paleo cut out two entire food groups (carbs and dairy?). I don't see that being sustainable long term for most people. It sounds like the latest fad diet to become trendy.

This is how I feel about Paleo and why I won't ever do more than a 30 day challenge for fun. (It doesn't cut out carbs entirely, but I don't think I could live without bread/pasta/beans/etc.)

As far as CrossFit, I think it has staying power. If Richard Simmons is still putting out DVDs after so long....I think CF will be okay. Sure, the popularity will wane, but most H&F trends do.

[MrsManners]

Jun 1, 2012 4:49:45 GMT -5 Wines Not Whines said:

Doesn't Paleo cut out two entire food groups (carbs and dairy?). I don't see that being sustainable long term for most people. It sounds like the latest fad diet to become trendy. I'm not sure about CF itself.

Carbs are not a food group. And paleo does not cut out carbs, although it does promote insulin control for health and getting carbs from veggie sources.

It always cracks me up when someone says paleo is unsustainable because you cut out a whole food group (grains,) but those same people typically know someone who have been vegetarian for years. How is it any different?

ETA: I eat primal, not paleo, because I eat small amounts of dairy (butter)

[MrsManners]

I love crossfit but I can totally see the commercial/corporate side doing stupid things that end up killing the brand. I do think the types of exercise and intensity are likely to remain, under whatever name brand.

[Brie]

Jun 1, 2012 19:23:14 GMT -5 @kirkette said:

Jun 1, 2012 3:41:10 GMT -5 moonstone523 said:

I tried Crossfit once and was the most sore Ive ever been in my life. Like I had to go right to the chiro for a deep tissue massage on my IT band so I could walk.

Then I got preggers. I promptly ended the torture.

What interests me is to see if people who have been doing CF for a year or so start to suffer injuries. Seems like with running after a short amount of time, you might end up on the bench. Does CF have that?

I'm not sure if you are looking for anecdotal evidence, but I've been doing CF for 1.5 years without injury. Soreness, yes, but nothing that has sidelined me.

At my box, I've noticed that just like running, many injuries stem from trying too do to much too soon.

I missed this, but chiming in--I've been doing CF for 10 months, and I haven't been injured at all aside from ripped hands. And honestly, I don't know of any major injuries at my box that are CF-related.

When I was running, I feel like I almost always had something that was bothering me--maybe not a full-blown injury, but aches and pains that weren't soreness.

I think that one of the benefits of CF is that (at a good box) it's programmed carefully so you're not going to have overuse injuries from doing the same exercises day in and day out. We rarely do the same move more than once a week.

[SusanBAnthony]

Jun 1, 2012 10:33:06 GMT -5 @tjenbell said:

I don't really follow paleo -- I am more primal because I don't buy into cutting out dairy. But I think the cutting out processed foods part of paleo is here to stay. Even some former hardcore paleo adherents (trainers and nutritionists) have decided to give up paleo and just go to more of a clean-eating approach. So it could definitely be something that is a fad (even though it is a healthy way to eat).

I have no comments about Cf, having never done it and never heard of it other than here.

With Paleo, I think it is a fad, mostly because like you said, eating a whole foods, nutrient dense diet makes sense, cutting out dairy, grains, and legumes (and fruit? Idk) just seems.... Faddish.

I am exploring a vegan diet right now for health reasons (avoiding animal products for cancer avoidance mostly) so I roll my eyes a little at Paleo, I admit. As a long time ovo lacto vegetarian, I have always been skeptical of not eating beans. I recently read The China Study and watched Forks over Knives and became fairly convinced. I guess you could just as easily argue that I am eating a fad diet on the other end of the whole foods spectrum.

[victoria21]

Jun 1, 2012 22:23:24 GMT -5 SusanBAnthony said:

Jun 1, 2012 10:33:06 GMT -5 @tjenbell said:

I don't really follow paleo -- I am more primal because I don't buy into cutting out dairy. But I think the cutting out processed foods part of paleo is here to stay. Even some former hardcore paleo adherents (trainers and nutritionists) have decided to give up paleo and just go to more of a clean-eating approach. So it could definitely be something that is a fad (even though it is a healthy way to eat).

I have no comments about Cf, having never done it and never heard of it other than here.

With Paleo, I think it is a fad, mostly because like you said, eating a whole foods, nutrient dense diet makes sense, cutting out dairy, grains, and legumes (and fruit? Idk) just seems.... Faddish.

I am exploring a vegan diet right now for health reasons (avoiding animal products for cancer avoidance mostly) so I roll my eyes a little at Paleo, I admit. As a long time ovo lacto vegetarian, I have always been skeptical of not eating beans. I recently read The China Study and watched Forks over Knives and became fairly convinced. I guess you could just as easily argue that I am eating a fad diet on the other end of the whole foods spectrum.

I have read the China Study and I can understand why you are fairly convinced (I read it five years ago when my Mom became vegan). Did you know that Campbell also printed a 894 page book giving all the data he collected for his book the China Study? It was read and the data examined by Denise Minger who published her finds on her blog rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/. If I were to sum up her findings it would be that Campbell did not tell the whole story with the China Study, he failed to report data, for example, that showed a higher correlations between wheat consumption and disease than meat consumption and disease. I'm not saying she is right, but she does raise questions as to the validity of the conclusions of the China Study.

I have not seen Forks and Knives yet, but I plan to because I want to see what all the hype is about. I do know that they rely heavily on Campbell, so that makes me skeptical about the other data they use.

If you would like to examine another perspective I suggest you read The Vegetarian Myth. Not because you need to be convinced that a vegan diet is wrong, but to fully understand your own arguments for becoming a vegan.

I personally feel that any diet that gets Americans off processed foods, refined carbohydrates, and sugar is a good thing. The next step is experimenting to find what foods work best for you. For the paleo folks, that means no grains, legumes, or dairy. I think there is room for flexibility though, which is why it works long term. As long as you are informed about how your body processes and uses different foods, you can decide if you want to eat some white rice on occasion (sushi rolls!) or indulge in some peanut butter. It also gives results (health and weight-wise) that people have been unable to achieve with any other diet.

[foundmylazybum]

Jun 1, 2012 7:18:36 GMT -5 juangela said:

As a follower of both principles, I say hell no, lol. But I might be partial.

Paleo is a way of life. Contrary to popular belief, it is not about cutting carbs, we still eat plenty of fruit, which equals carbs. It is cutting out grains/legumes/dairy. I think of it as the pre-agriculture diet. So, if you can pick it off of a tree or bush, kill it and eat it, or find it in nature you're good.

People have been eating this way since the beginning of time. Does that diet look exactly like what I consider paleo? Definitely not. Will it lose its popularity when the next "big thing" comes out? Maybe. But what won't go away is how good I feel when I'm cutting out pre-agriculture foods 95% of the time. I consider myself "paleo for life."

What makes Paleo "faddish" to me is this exact quote "People have been eating like this since the beginning of time!"

I don't know very much about Paleo quite frankly so I don't know where they got their anthropological information from or what cultures they studied, but I can name three Southwestern cultures that were eating legumes off of trees and making little "power cakes" with the flour from mesquite beans and pods--a legume..which is--in fact pre-agricultural--but negates this crap about "oooohhh people in prehistoric times didn't eat legumes...or carbs."


When I see the above quote though it consistently makes me think that the people who put out Paleo either missed something, changed the information OR it is being misconstrued by the population.

The next thing I always wonder is: Who figured out that our prehistoric nomad ancestors were somehow healthier than us? They certainly didn't live longer, and they weren't smarter. They had a smaller brain! What part did diet and lifestyle play into this? Have we somehow determined that our prehistoric ancestors had less heart disease? Etc.

And then we move further onto "people have been eating this way for millenia..." uh...well no---because as the above quote points out...on almost every continent (antartica excepted) we adapted and moved to..what? An agricultural society--adapting carbs, legumes, etc into our diet--still maintaining up until pretty recently a combination of hunter gather and agricultural. How was it determined that the people who lived in these agricultural societies were "less" healthy than the pre-agricultural, and that any difference was based primarily or mainly on diet?

I find it fascinating honestly....It's interesting to me that people would buy into this idea that "people ate this way "years" ago!" and not think any deeper...at all.
If you do think into these historical ideas, Paleo does appear to be lacking in conceptual depth and details.

[SusanBAnthony]

Jun 2, 2012 8:36:59 GMT -5 victoria21 said:

Jun 1, 2012 22:23:24 GMT -5 SusanBAnthony said:

I have no comments about Cf, having never done it and never heard of it other than here.

With Paleo, I think it is a fad, mostly because like you said, eating a whole foods, nutrient dense diet makes sense, cutting out dairy, grains, and legumes (and fruit? Idk) just seems.... Faddish.

I am exploring a vegan diet right now for health reasons (avoiding animal products for cancer avoidance mostly) so I roll my eyes a little at Paleo, I admit. As a long time ovo lacto vegetarian, I have always been skeptical of not eating beans. I recently read The China Study and watched Forks over Knives and became fairly convinced. I guess you could just as easily argue that I am eating a fad diet on the other end of the whole foods spectrum.

I have read the China Study and I can understand why you are fairly convinced (I read it five years ago when my Mom became vegan). Did you know that Campbell also printed a 894 page book giving all the data he collected for his book the China Study? It was read and the data examined by Denise Minger who published her finds on her blog rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/. If I were to sum up her findings it would be that Campbell did not tell the whole story with the China Study, he failed to report data, for example, that showed a higher correlations between wheat consumption and disease than meat consumption and disease. I'm not saying she is right, but she does raise questions as to the validity of the conclusions of the China Study.

I have not seen Forks and Knives yet, but I plan to because I want to see what all the hype is about. I do know that they rely heavily on Campbell, so that makes me skeptical about the other data they use.

If you would like to examine another perspective I suggest you read The Vegetarian Myth. Not because you need to be convinced that a vegan diet is wrong, but to fully understand your own arguments for becoming a vegan.

I personally feel that any diet that gets Americans off processed foods, refined carbohydrates, and sugar is a good thing. The next step is experimenting to find what foods work best for you. For the paleo folks, that means no grains, legumes, or dairy. I think there is room for flexibility though, which is why it works long term. As long as you are informed about how your body processes and uses different foods, you can decide if you want to eat some white rice on occasion (sushi rolls!) or indulge in some peanut butter. It also gives results (health and weight-wise) that people have been unable to achieve with any other diet.

I think The China study and Forks over Knives cover about the same stuff, so if you have read the book I wouldn't bother with the movie, honestly. I will check out those reading suggestions. As it is we eat almost no wheat (basically only when we eat out) so I am not too worried about that aspect. Still, better to be more informed. I will say, no matter what the vegetarian myth says, I will never eat meat, it is just gross ;D

[dakotadangerdog]

Paleo doesn't cut out foods just because cavemen didn't eat them, it's an easy way to explain it, but there are scientific reasons to cutting out different things. I haven't done a ton of research but from what I've read on mark scissor and Robb wolf's sites I understand that we avoid legumes due to lectin which is bad for the intestines, dairy due to the inflammation and people commonly have dairy sensitivities, and wheat due to the common sensitivities to it and I'm sure some other effects on the body that i can't recall.

Paleo is more of a starting point, if you eat Paleo for a while and want to try adding back in some dairy, go for it! If you feel fine eating dairy, then eat dairy. If you add back in grains and can eat those with no problem, that's great. Personally, I a allergic to dairy and sensitive to wheat so I am just fine sticking to regular ole Paleo.

[foundmylazybum]

Jun 2, 2012 20:58:49 GMT -5 mr+ms said:

Jun 2, 2012 9:16:54 GMT -5 foundmylazybum said:

If you do think into these historical ideas, Paleo does appear to be lacking in conceptual depth and details.

Based on the questions you posed, it seems like you are missing out on the conceptual depth and details out there on the topic of evolutionary biology.

How do we know some of the things we do about hunter-gatherers? From anthropology, archaeological observations and studying modern hunter-gatherers for starters.

I'm sorry but no shit sherlock. We also get the information by studying archeological trash sites, bones and pottery and variety of other methods. No. I'm not lacking in evolutionary biology history knowledge, anthropological knowledge or archeological history to know the answers to the (quite frankly very basic questions) you just asked...I learned that in third grade when I went to Mesa Verde.

My point was it appears that NO ONE ELSE CAN EXPLAIN THESE QUESTIONS. When asked WHY Paleo is a great diet--Followers can only reply---Our ancestors ate like this! They never had milk! (Because you appear to be a literalist Mr. &Mrs..this is sarcasm and a generalization of the answers I receive most often). It appears to ME that most people do not understand why Paleo is good..or bad..or really the reasoning behind it. That makes it seem faddish to me.





My questions to people who follow Paleo are: Who exactly came up with the concept that THESE ancestors, THIS method of eating is the best way? Why should "I" believe "them?" Any more than I should believe the guy who came up with Atkins or South Beach or Curves or whatever.

Anyone who is really into a lifestyle change should be able to answer these questions...if it's a fad you answer "Our ancestors ate like this!"


What I find fascinating is that there appears to be a lot of hype about Paleo. And the people who are into it are really into it. And I'm not saying that it's bad--or good. I think it's great if it works...but the original question posed was "is cross-fit and paleo a fad."

My answer related to the why and how Paleo consistently appears to be a fad to me..and again it's this odd summarization of the concept.

You consistently come into the posts with a fair amount of knowledge and you are clearly into Paleo as a lifestyle--so that's great for you..it's not a fad..I have a friend who has been doing South Beach for over 5 years..it's her lifestyle now and she can tell me all about it. It's not a fad for her. She gets it.



But if all "you" (the public you) can tell me is one simple sentence...you don't have any conceptual knowledge or the nuts and bolts...it makes me think you aren't bought in..and when the next thing comes up--or you really want that ice cream cone--you are going
to forget about your ancestors and eat the dairy.

[lauren170]

1. I have to disclose that I am not hard core Paleo, yet. But the diet makes sense to me, and I am doing it strictly for the month of June.

For me, it comes down to this. Walk into a grocery store, and look at all of the packaged food. Growing up, I though that crakers, cookies, and bagels were legit food. I didn't understand nutrition and I didn't understand the amount of sugar and number of chemicals in these foods. There are companies that are making billions of $ of selling us these addictive foods.

Many kinds of milk have Bovine growth hormone it - very bad for us, but I never knew this for the longest time.
www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone

Now I try to stick to foods that are as close to their natural form as posssible. Fruit, meat without hormones/chemicals, nuts, and seeds. I feel so much better this way. After two weeks of eating this way your body changes in that you don't crave the crap anymore.

For me, it's not about what our ancestors ate, it's about not getting cancer or being obese because some company is adding weird things to my food so it can sit on the shelf for 2 years.

[juangela]

Jun 2, 2012 9:16:54 GMT -5 foundmylazybum said:

Jun 1, 2012 7:18:36 GMT -5 juangela said:

As a follower of both principles, I say hell no, lol. But I might be partial.

Paleo is a way of life. Contrary to popular belief, it is not about cutting carbs, we still eat plenty of fruit, which equals carbs. It is cutting out grains/legumes/dairy. I think of it as the pre-agriculture diet. So, if you can pick it off of a tree or bush, kill it and eat it, or find it in nature you're good.

People have been eating this way since the beginning of time. Does that diet look exactly like what I consider paleo? Definitely not. Will it lose its popularity when the next "big thing" comes out? Maybe. But what won't go away is how good I feel when I'm cutting out pre-agriculture foods 95% of the time. I consider myself "paleo for life."

What makes Paleo "faddish" to me is this exact quote "People have been eating like this since the beginning of time!"

I don't know very much about Paleo quite frankly so I don't know where they got their anthropological information from or what cultures they studied, but I can name three Southwestern cultures that were eating legumes off of trees and making little "power cakes" with the flour from mesquite beans and pods--a legume..which is--in fact pre-agricultural--but negates this crap about "oooohhh people in prehistoric times didn't eat legumes...or carbs."


When I see the above quote though it consistently makes me think that the people who put out Paleo either missed something, changed the information OR it is being misconstrued by the population.

The next thing I always wonder is: Who figured out that our prehistoric nomad ancestors were somehow healthier than us? They certainly didn't live longer, and they weren't smarter. They had a smaller brain! What part did diet and lifestyle play into this? Have we somehow determined that our prehistoric ancestors had less heart disease? Etc.

And then we move further onto "people have been eating this way for millenia..." uh...well no---because as the above quote points out...on almost every continent (antartica excepted) we adapted and moved to..what? An agricultural society--adapting carbs, legumes, etc into our diet--still maintaining up until pretty recently a combination of hunter gather and agricultural. How was it determined that the people who lived in these agricultural societies were "less" healthy than the pre-agricultural, and that any difference was based primarily or mainly on diet?

I find it fascinating honestly....It's interesting to me that people would buy into this idea that "people ate this way "years" ago!" and not think any deeper...at all.
If you do think into these historical ideas, Paleo does appear to be lacking in conceptual depth and details.

My apologies for poorly communicating my philosophy . I agree with the comment about people focusing too much on the "paleo" name and less on the fundamentals. I missed an opportunity with my previous comment to make that clear, and I can see where my words were a bit confusing.

Since I've proven I'm unable to clearly communicate why I eat the way I do, I'm stealing this from the Whole9, because it is exactly why I do it - if you want the short version, it is because I feel better when I eat this way. And ultimately, I eat to live, I don't live to eat.

"I eat real food – fresh, natural food like meat, vegetables and fruit. I choose foods that are nutrient-dense, with lots of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals, over foods that have more calories but less nutrition. And food quality is important – I’m careful about where my meat, seafood and eggs come from, and buy organic local produce as often as possible.

This is not a “diet” – I eat as much as I need to maintain strength, energy, activity levels and a healthy body weight. I aim for well-balanced nutrition, so I eat both animals and a significant amount of plants. I’m not lacking carbohydrates – I just get them from vegetables and fruits instead of bread, cereal or pasta. And my meals are probably higher in fat than you’d imagine, but fat is a healthy source of energy when it comes from high-quality foods like avocado, coconut and grass-fed beef.

Eating like this is ideal for maintaining a healthy metabolism and reducing inflammation within the body. It’s good for body composition, energy levels, sleep quality, mental attitude and quality of life. It helps eliminate sugar cravings and reestablishes a healthy relationship with food. It also works to minimize your risk for a whole host of lifestyle diseases and conditions, like diabetes, heart attack, stroke and autoimmune."
whole9life.com/2011/09/nutrition-in-60-seconds/

[sydney02]

They're the Taebo and Atkins of 2012

[omalley]

I did crossfit 4-5 years ago before I had my boys. I am so thankful that it has gained popularity and is everywhere especially now that I am finally getting back into it. I was in the best shape of my life when I did it then and that is what I am striving for now.

*A little flameful* but there is a very small part of me that feels like "I did it before everyone knew about it" but that level of smugness is not my style so the thought only lasts a second.